***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (6 Viewers)

[The Commish]

Texts are proof?  Then we have "proof" that Trump tried to collude with Russia by virtue of him asking them for help.

You sure we have proof?

You'll see...it didn't come out in the IG report..next up Durham...when that fails, next up ???.....when that fails, next up ???.......

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Maybe Obama got nervous and called it off.  

Maybe Trump and gang are like the pied piper and no matter what they play you and others will blindly follow. 

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I think there is another element to the poll as well. Years ago I had a statistics class and my professor had an interesting theory about polling: people don’t like to be wrong. So if you ask them what should happen, a lot of the time they will answer what is likely to happen, and the more likely any given outcome, the more people will tell you it’s the outcome they desire. 

In this case most people know that the Senate will not remove President Trump. That being the case it causes many to say that they prefer that outcome. 

It’s just a theory but I find it compelling. 

So what you're saying is 80%+ of Democrats like being wrong. Explains a lot, thanks.  

 

[Mile High]

You'll see...it didn't come out in the IG report..next up Durham...when that fails, next up ???.....when that fails, next up ???.......

I'm not going to trust any report that comes from this administration. 

 

[the moops]

We will know more when Durham report comes out.  Patience grasshopper.

Seems as if you already have it all figured though. And whenever a report or piece of testimony or whatever is presented, you resort to, well, we will see soon enough

 

[cosjobs]

Is that like a sopapilla stuffed with peas?

dammit. now I'm hungry for an empeanada

 

[Henry Ford]

Latest 538 using many polls

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

That poll doesn’t oppose impeachment. It’s impeachment and removal.  That’s been hovering around 50-52% for most of this process. 
Edit: the Morning Consult poll last/this week, for instance, had 41% against impeachment, but 50% against impeachment and removal. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

We will know more when Durham report comes out.

Barr: "We will uncover this secret political cabal as I personally lead the investigation alongside my hand picked general prosecutor with absolutely no jurisdiction."***

***Note: satirical quote intended for rhetorical purposes only.​

 

[Phil Elliott]

Trump can say and do whatever he wants without repercussions from his base.   

People that oppose him are "human scum", the press is an "enemy of the state" and the intelligence community can't be trusted and the military is part of the "deep state".    Trump is telling the truth and everyone else is lying.   

I've been alive since Eisenhower was in office and never thought I would hear the things that Trump says coming out of the mouth of an American president and 40% of the country is perfectly fine with it.     Scary times indeed.

I agree. Also, I never thought I would see liberals shout down free speech and be so extreme towards people with ideas they don’t agree with.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well we have access to top ranking FBI agents texts saying they will do whatever it takes to stop Trump from being elected.  I am sure it is nothing.  

Please provide a link.

 

[sho nuff]

Texts are proof?  Then we have "proof" that Trump tried to collude with Russia by virtue of him asking them for help.

You sure we have proof?

Maybe they were just joking in the texts?

 Hasn't that one been used to explain some of the things Trump has said?

 

[[scooter]]

We will know more when Durham report comes out.  Patience grasshopper.

You said the same thing about Horowitz. You said similar things about Hillary's emails. Each time your wishcasted prediction has failed to materialize, you have instantly pivoted to a new conspiracy theory.

NONE of your wishcasting has come true.

Armageddon is not coming.

 

[[scooter]]

Well we have access to top ranking FBI agents texts saying they will do whatever it takes to stop Trump from being elected.  I am sure it is nothing.  

Please provide a link.

Changing quotes used to be a huge deal around here.

 

[Dickies]

It?

= info

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Armageddon is not coming.

Agree to disagree.

 

[zoonation]

Answer is obvious.  Obama administration spied on Trump campaign in hopes of finding something to bring him down.  They found nothing and he got elected.  Since then they have tried to cover their tracks and now they are getting exposed.  Durham report will be enlightening.

I’m pretty sure Obama spent no time thinking about Trump.  That narrative is bizarre.  

 

[Kal El]

You said the same thing about Horowitz. You said similar things about Hillary's emails. Each time your wishcasted prediction has failed to materialize, you have instantly pivoted to a new conspiracy theory.

NONE of your wishcasting has come true.

Armageddon is not coming.

In fairness, it is, but at the very end of the age we're in. I doubt Trump is involved.

 

[Don't Noonan]

You said the same thing about Horowitz. You said similar things about Hillary's emails. Each time your wishcasted prediction has failed to materialize, you have instantly pivoted to a new conspiracy theory.

NONE of your wishcasting has come true.

Armageddon is not coming.

This simply isn't true.  I correctly predicted Horowitz report would be damning to the FBI but the Durham report looks like it will take it to another level as he was able to interview key folks Horowitz could not.  Link on Hillary emails claim?

I have been money in here on my predictions unlike the 85% echo chamber.  Look at the Russia hoax thread for starters.     Nothing burger!

Just like the nothing burger Ukraine nonsense.  Eat up!

 

[John Blutarsky]

I’m pretty sure Obama spent no time thinking about Trump.  That narrative is bizarre.  

Obama Reckons with a Trump Presidency

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency

 

[joffer]

You said the same thing about Horowitz. You said similar things about Hillary's emails. Each time your wishcasted prediction has failed to materialize, you have instantly pivoted to a new conspiracy theory.

NONE of your wishcasting has come true.

Armageddon is not coming.

eventually, he'll find a report that says what he wants.

 

[Don't Noonan]

eventually, he'll find a report that says what he wants.

Mueller report said exactly what I wanted.  The Horowitz report was great too.

 

[Kal El]

eventually, he'll find a report that says what he wants.

It won't be anywhere close to reputable, though.

 

[Godsbrother]

I agree. Also, I never thought I would see liberals shout down free speech and be so extreme towards people with ideas they don’t agree with.

I agree the behavior of some on the left is reprehensible for people that are supposed to be tolerant to others.   

 

[[scooter]]

You said the same thing about Horowitz. You said similar things about Hillary's emails. Each time your wishcasted prediction has failed to materialize, you have instantly pivoted to a new conspiracy theory.

NONE of your wishcasting has come true.

Armageddon is not coming.

This simply isn't true.  I correctly predicted Horowitz report would be damning to the FBI

No you didn't. You predicted that the Horowitz report would expose the investigation as a fraud and a sham. But Horowitz made no such conclusions.

The fact that you have to move the goalpost from "fraud and sham" to "damning" says all we need to know. It's Harold Camping stuff.

 

[Henry Ford]

Mueller report said exactly what I wanted.  The Horowitz report was great too.

You wanted the report to say that there was significant evidence that the President committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice, and that the President was both aware of and benefited from Russian interference in the election?  

 

[Juxtatarot]

Well we have access to top ranking FBI agents texts saying they will do whatever it takes to stop Trump from being elected.  I am sure it is nothing.  

Apparently you are not well versed in liberal pillow talk.

 

[Don't Noonan]

No you didn't. You predicted that the Horowitz report would expose the investigation as a fraud and a sham. But Horowitz made no such conclusions.

The fact that you have to move the goalpost from "fraud and sham" to "damning" says all we need to know. It's Harold Camping stuff.

You are incorrect as usual.  Have a good day!

 

[Don't Noonan]

You wanted the report to say that there was significant evidence that the President committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice, and that the President was both aware of and benefited from Russian interference in the election?  

For a lawyer you seem to get your facts wrong quite a bit.  

 

[Henry Ford]

For a lawyer you seem to get your facts wrong quite a bit.  

Yep.  Just me and that liberal rag the Cato Institute, founded by Charles Koch.

The Mueller report presented substantial evidence that might have led to an obstruction charge.  Indeed, Mueller concluded that the scope and nature of the evidence foreclosed exonerating the president.  Yet Mueller declined to charge Trump with obstruction – not for lack of evidence, but because Justice Department policy barred indictment of a sitting president.

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As noted, Mueller proffered significant evidence of obstruction by Trump.  It was Barr, but not Mueller, who decided that the evidence was insufficient to charge Trump.

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Mueller concluded that the Russians did interfere, Trump was aware of the interference, he benefited from and encouraged the interference – e.g., Don, Jr. was eager to get and use information on Hillary Clinton – and he didn’t report the interference to the FBI. 

 

[the moops]

Also, I never thought I would see liberals shout down free speech and be so extreme towards people with ideas they don’t agree with.

What does shout down free speech even mean? No governmental entity is restricting anyone's ability to say anything. And in fact, aren't  liberals "shouting down free speech" actually just expressing their own free speech rights?

 

[Don't Noonan]

Yep.  Just me and that liberal rag the Cato Institute, founded by Charles Koch.

Nice try, you said there was significant evidence that Trump committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice.  He listed possible obstruction of justice.  We can disagree on significant evidence.

 

[Henry Ford]

Nice try, you said there was significant evidence that Trump committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice.  He listed possible obstruction of justice.  We can disagree on significant evidence.

Read the whole quote I put up.

Mueller proffered significant evidence of obstruction by Trump

 

[Don't Noonan]

Nice try? His link specifically says, “As noted, Mueller proffered significant evidence of obstruction by Trump.” 

Seems like more than a try there.

The Mueller report was a nothing burger.  If it meant anything the Dems would have used it for impeachment.  Case closed.

 

[Amused to Death]

The Mueller report was a nothing burger.

Well, except for the "significant evidence of obstruction".

 

[Henry Ford]

The Mueller report was a nothing burger.  If it meant anything the Dems would have used it for impeachment.  Case closed.

Does the converse of that hold true?  Since the Dems are using the current situation for impeachment, it's not a nothing burger and it means something?

 

[Don't Noonan]

Well, except for the "significant evidence of obstruction".

No, if it was significant the Dems would have tried to impeach.  It was not and the Dems fell flatly on their face.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, except for the "significant evidence of obstruction".

And contemporaneous knowledge of and encouragement of assistance from a foreign power in an election.  Assistance that helped him win.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Does the converse of that hold true?  Since the Dems are using the current situation for impeachment, it's not a nothing burger and it means something?

No, they don't have current bipartisan or public support for Ukraine.  Nothing burger.  Now, if during the Senate trial we have Bolton or Rudy testify and it is damaging to Trump you may be correct.  As of now it is a nothing burger.

 

[Henry Ford]

No, they don't have current bipartisan or public support for Ukraine.  Nothing burger.  Now, if during the Senate trial we have Bolton or Rudy testify and it is damaging to Trump you may be correct.  As of now it is a nothing burger.

So your concern is with public support?  Not whether or not the President's actions were legal?

 

[Amused to Death]

No, if it was significant the Dems would have tried to impeach.  It was not and the Dems fell flatly on their face.

There are approximately 10 detailed instances of obstruction, but you know this. 

 

[Don't Noonan]

So your concern is with public support?  Not whether or not the President's actions were legal?

No, criminal behavior is definitely # 1.

 

[Henry Ford]

No, criminal behavior is definitely # 1.

Then why does public or bipartisan support matter?

 

[Don't Noonan]

There are approximately 10 detailed instances of obstruction, but you know this. 

Why do you think the Dems didn't move forward with impeachment then?  Or even include them in current articles of impeachment then?

 

[Amused to Death]

Why do you think the Dems didn't move forward with impeachment then?  Or even include them in current articles of impeachment then?

Not going to speculate on the actions of the Dems, but you know the Mueller report outlined approximately 10 detailed instances of obstruction. You know it. Please don't try to claim the report does no such thing. It does, in black and white.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Then why does public or bipartisan support matter?

lack of public support will crush Dems in 2020.  lack of bipartisan support is exactly what our founders warned against for impeachments.  This will be the first impeachment ever without bipartisan support and Pelosi/Schiff/Nadler will go down on history as owning straight partisan foolishness.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Not going to speculate on the actions of the Dems, but you know the Mueller report outlined approximately 10 detailed instances of obstruction. You know it. Please don't try to claim the report does no such thing. It does, in black and white.

Great.  So you agree it was a nothing burger for impeachment purposes.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why do you think the Dems didn't move forward with impeachment then?  Or even include them in current articles of impeachment then?

I can give a likely explanation for this.  It's about closing arguments from the Clinton impeachment.

There is only one question before you, albeit a difficult one, one that is a question of fact and law and constitutional theory. Would it put at risk the liberties of the people to retain the President in office? Putting aside partisan animus, if you can honestly say that it would not, that those liberties are safe in his hands, then you must vote to acquit

Basically, the argument came down to "does this look like the kind of thing that 1. affects the country and 2. the President would do again?  If not, why impeach him?"

After the Mueller report, it appeared unlikely that a President who had just gone through that would ever do something like what he did in 2016.  However, funny story, he did.  All over again.  And worse, this time.  

 

[Sheriff Bart]

You wanted the report to say that there was significant evidence that the President committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice, and that the President was both aware of and benefited from Russian interference in the election?  

Yep.  Just me and that liberal rag the Cato Institute, founded by Charles Koch.

Read the whole quote I put up.

Facts presented that destroy every assertion you have made so the next logical post is:

1. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information.

2. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information, this is really alarming. Particularly so because it's from the far right Koch brothers.

3. The Mueller report was a nothing burger.

Spoiler

The Mueller report was a nothing burger. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Facts presented that destroy every assertion you have made so the next logical post is:

1. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information.

2. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information, this is really alarming. Particularly so because it's from the far right Koch brothers.

3. The Mueller report was a nothing burger.

Trick question. This is a message board and there is no logic to posting on a message board. I abstain.

 

[Amused to Death]

Facts presented that destroy every assertion you have made so the next logical post is:

1. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information.

2. Thanks Henry, I wasn't aware of this information, this is really alarming. Particularly so because it's from the far right Koch brothers.

3. The Mueller report was a nothing burger.

Prime example of why it can be nearly impossible to have any real discussion with some people. The goal posts are on roller skates for easy moving.