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Which part is the good fight?Keep up the good fight jm.
Do you care to try and say the identity of the wb is relevant and defend that position at all?
Which part is the good fight?Keep up the good fight jm.
The prosecution has proposed putting the question of relevance before the Presiding Officer, who happens to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. What’s wrong with that process, particularly if the full Senate can still vote to overrule?Nothing is relevant except for what the Prosecution decides is relevant. Got it!
It is not uncommon for a judge to rule that a defendant cannot make a particular argument or call a particular witness.I don’t care about the Identity of the Whistle blower. I don’t think it’s relevant. But the constant sense of “THE GOP NEEDS TO SHUT UP AND ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SAY THEY CAN” is beyond absurd.
You can’t bring charges and then also control the defense. Schiff keeps on talking about “that’s not a trial,” but to say “here’s how you’re allowed to defend yourself” isn’t either.
I don't think it's relevant. I'm not sure the GOP thinks it's relevant. I think they want to tell American that it's a biased sham. You asked why why why they're after it--that's why.Which part is the good fight?
Do you care to try and say the identity of the wb is relevant and defend that position at all?
Like I said.Of course it is living in that it can be change by ammendment. Where the contention is, changing what the constitution means by reinterpretation of what was originally intended.
If you believe this impeachment is strictly the result of bias, then you must also accept that this administrations own ICIG is biased. Correct?I’m just telling you guys that’s why the GOP is so hard after it. They’re explaining the bias in the process.
Some of you will never see an ounce of bias from the Dems. A lot of Americans absolutely will.
I just want to thank you for this post. For the first time, this post actually helped me understand what the GOP argument even was for exposing the identity of the whistleblower.It’s illogical if you’re telling me you think the President will be removed.
It’s completely logical to paint this as a biased sham in preparation for November.
Then it shouldn't be admitted at trial. Period. Relevance is a very low bar. And this doesn't meet it. If you can't even meet relevance, your "evidence" isn't evidence, it is simply intended to create prejudice, confusion, and a waste of time.I don’t care about the Identity of the Whistle blower. I don’t think it’s relevant. But the constant sense of “THE GOP NEEDS TO SHUT UP AND ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SAY THEY CAN” is beyond absurd.
You can’t bring charges and then also control the defense. Schiff keeps on talking about “that’s not a trial,” but to say “here’s how you’re allowed to defend yourself” isn’t either.
Yeah, it's a shoehorned "both sides" argument. "Even if the President was trying to cast a cloud over Biden's candidacy, that's exactly what you're doing!"I just want to thank you for this post. For the first time, this post actually helped me understand what the GOP argument even was for exposing the identity of the whistleblower.
I still think its a completely bogus, ridiculous argument that nobody (including the GOP) believes - but at least now I understand they argument they are making.
HenryThen it shouldn't be admitted at trial. Period. Relevance is a very low bar. And this doesn't meet it. If you can't even meet relevance, your "evidence" isn't evidence, it is simply intended to create prejudice, confusion, and a waste of time.
Did you see who the Arizona governor appointed to the Senate? You sure you want to repeal the 17th?Time to repeal the 17th Amendment, eliminate the primary system, reimpose party discipline and move to a uniform non-partisan method for drawing congressional districts.
Direct self-government has failed.
Counterpoint: have you seen the full Republican caucus?Did you see who the Arizona governor appointed to the Senate? You sure you want to repeal the 17th?
+1,000 Nailed it.I remember when this Board had conservatives, not simply republicans. I myself am quite conservative, so conservative that on many issues I am aligned with liberals, though potentially for other reasoning than they use. I am so conservative that I do not place party over principle and I do not confuse any one office holder with party.
And I'm explaining why a competent judge will continue to say "no". And why if optics are bad for that, then the people creating those optics in their own heads are ignorant of how things work. That's the only point.Henry
I'm not Asking for the name. I'm explaining WHY the GOP keeps going after it. That's the only point.
This. I bet Trump supporters completely understand what's going on. They're not stupid; they have a specific agenda. They approve because it will help prevent the socialist hordes from beating them in November and shoving health care and universal voting rights down the country's throat.I don't think he fools them. They're willing accomplices in my mind. They enable him. They encourage him. They love him for it.
This board still has conservatives, you guys just generally don't identify as Republican anymore.I remember when this Board had conservatives, not simply republicans. I myself am quite conservative, so conservative that on many issues I am aligned with liberals, though potentially for other reasoning than they use. I am so conservative that I do not place party over principle and I do not confuse any one office holder with party.
I didn’t ask why actually. I know why...I wonder why anyone would buy that bs from them?I don't think it's relevant. I'm not sure the GOP thinks it's relevant. I think they want to tell American that it's a biased sham. You asked why why why they're after it--that's why.
Lindsey Graham was a military prosecutor.FWIW, there are cases where relevance of a document or witness is a close call. In this proceeding, Hunter Biden and the whistleblower are not close calls.
This is a trial about Donald Trump’s actions. Donald Trump’s motives are relevant. So the information HE possessed about the Bidens and Crowdstrike is relevant. But not the actual underlying facts that he may not have been privy to. The Senate is free to investigate those matters in another proceeding.
And yeah, I dislike Trump. But I also do this for a living. In the final analysis, the Senate can adopt the procedures they want. But the Senators need to live with their decisions. And lots of Republican Senators know they’re making specious legal arguments. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas. He knows better.
The GOP is desperate.All facts are against them and they're all involved in a huge cover-up now that they know what Bolton has to say. They are trying to out the whistleblower so that they can make it be all about him. If they can show he voted for Hillary in 2016 or didn't watch season 4 of the Apprentice, they think that the mountain of evidence showing Trump's greasy mob shakedown attempt of Ukraine will disappear. You are witnessing absolute desperation. They have no defense at this point.Henry
I'm not Asking for the name. I'm explaining WHY the GOP keeps going after it. That's the only point.
What courts?I guess so were the Dems. They could have had them in the courts, but they wouldn’t wait because the American people might elect Trump again.
This2. No one is fooled. It's all about rationalizing. Yes, Trump did this thing. And yes, normally it would be bad, BUT it's Biden and clearly something hinky was going on there so it's okay. And yes, normally you would prefer that the President utilize the channels and agencies already in place for this sort of thing but he's so under attack he HAS to use his personal lawyer and a couple of shadowy characters to carry out his orders. And yes, normally we wouldn't approve of attacking decorated vets and long-time civil servants without a hint of controversy in their history, but it's possible they might be lying for some unknown reason, so we have to give them a pass here. And yes, normally we would want to protect whistle-blowers, but in this case we need to know who it is and rake them over the coals in case they have contrary allegiances that need to be exposed. And yes, normally it would be expected that we would want to hear from the ex-cabinet-member who claims to be in possession of relevant facts on the case but since the House didn't already take him to court to try and compel him blah, blah, blah...This. I bet Trump supporters completely understand what's going on. They're not stupid; they have a specific agenda. They approve because it will help prevent the socialist hordes from beating them in November and shoving health care and universal voting rights down the country's throat.
While Joe Biden will appear on the Grassy Knoll right behind Ted Cruz's father in future GOP narratives, especially if he continues to poll well against Donald, he's kinda fair game for Trump nefariousness. Endangering the whistleblower, however, for the sake of an irrelevant smear job should raise the hackles of all of us.The GOP is desperate.All facts are against them and they're all involved in a huge cover-up now that they know what Bolton has to say. They are trying to out the whistleblower so that they can make it be all about him. If they can show he voted for Hillary in 2016 or didn't watch season 4 of the Apprentice, they think that the mountain of evidence showing Trump's greasy mob shakedown attempt of Ukraine will disappear. You are witnessing absolute desperation. They have no defense at this point.
I miss the 4 letter abbreviationsSide note: please tell me if I got any abbreviations wrong, I'm currently quite pleased with myself for remembering how to abbreviate states.
I also find unusual pride in remembering the state abbreviations. I don't know why I do, but I do.Love that bit.
It achieved the desired goal. Showed the GOP to be morally bankrupt, corrupt, and in the pocket of a sociopath. Now they have to run on it. I’m satisfied.This has been a partisan political cage match from the start. Barring some miracle the Democrats are going to lose. Take the pain and move on.
The pain would have been less had you not chosen not to take it to the GOP-controlled Senate. But you did. And now you're even more emotionally invested...giving a standing ovation to Schiff every step of the way. So now the inevitable defeat hurts now more than ever.
Take a break. Get your focus back. And then nominate the right candidate to beat Trump in November (hint: not Sanders/Warren).
They think that they are "made" and will share in the spoils but in reality are being used. In gangster movies we all know what happens to these characters.I don't think he fools them. They're willing accomplices in my mind. They enable him. They encourage him. They love him for it.
I didn't like the comment because I'm happy with the result, more that I agree with you that it achieved its desired goal tactically. I know a lot of people disgusted with the Republicans right now.It achieved the desired goal. Showed the GOP to be morally bankrupt, corrupt, and in the pocket of a sociopath. Now they have to run on it. I’m satisfied.
I would agree that even though the ball wasn't put in the end zone some amount of political yardage was gained by the Democrats. But November is still a long way away. Not sure how much staying power it has.It achieved the desired goal. Showed the GOP to be morally bankrupt, corrupt, and in the pocket of a sociopath. Now they have to run on it. I’m satisfied.
Meh, only two of the M states, and easy ones at that.Side note: please tell me if I got any abbreviations wrong, I'm currently quite pleased with myself for remembering how to abbreviate states.
The videos and the quotes last forever. Let's see how many of them pop around August/September/October.I would agree that even though the ball wasn't put in the end zone some amount of political yardage was gained by the Democrats. But November is still a long way away. Not sure how much staying power it has.
Sure there are times when lying is the only logical option.It’s illogical if you’re telling me you think the President will be removed.
It’s completely logical to paint this as a biased sham in preparation for November.
Umm...I think the GOP is the one who will feel the longer term pain from this.This has been a partisan political cage match from the start. Barring some miracle the Democrats are going to lose. Take the pain and move on.
The pain would have been less had you not chosen not to take it to the GOP-controlled Senate. But you did. And now you're even more emotionally invested...giving a standing ovation to Schiff every step of the way. So now the inevitable defeat hurts now more than ever.
Take a break. Get your focus back. And then nominate the right candidate to beat Trump in November (hint: not Sanders/Warren).
I'm curious to see what the House will do if the McGahn court case resolves favorably for forcing testimony.I would agree that even though the ball wasn't put in the end zone some amount of political yardage was gained by the Democrats. But November is still a long way away. Not sure how much staying power it has.
GOP and Trump will be able to claim victory in terms of outcome. To be weighed against the "we did the right thing" process arguments.Umm...I think the GOP is the one who will feel the longer term pain from this.
Democrats and posters here went in knowing the GOP would not remove him...but we still should hear more of what he did.
??Also...not sure why the DNC or democrat voters should take advice of who to nominate from those who support Trump. its a very odd thing.
Donald claims victory whenever he gets away with another misdeed. The tactic mostly only works on those people who are likely to attend one of his rallies.GOP and Trump will be able to claim victory in terms of outcome. To be weighed against the "we did the right thing" process arguments.