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Yeah. Suck it, Gabby Giffords and Steve Scalise.
Tough but fair.Yeah. Suck it, Gabby Giffords and Steve Scalise.
You're asking "hostile" to do a lot of work here.Plus you’re a public official meaning you deal with public sometimes which could get hostile so it comes with the job.
Horrible. 5 people are DEAD.There are iuds, land mines, snipers, burning buildings, risking not only your life but your family, a guy pulling a gun on you, having to fight for your life vs a bad guy, getting tortured, etc etc.
yes - overhype indeed....
I think we can all agree, on a bipartisan basis, that politicians have to step up bullet evasion game.Tough but fair.
Can we do this?I hope they pause any video they are playing and call out Hawley/Cruz/etc if they are not watching. Isn't it a clear deriliction of duty to not view or listen to the evidence being presented?
So it’s in keeping with Trump’s entire presidency.BTW, I thought Trump's lawyers were terrible today. They acted like unprepared amateurs who didn't study and thought they could bluff their way through a final exam. Trump should have taken up Matt Gaetz on his offer, or maybe brought in Dershowitz.
I guess it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because Trump will be found not guilty, but it's a bad look and it really makes no sense.
The hits keep coming. Geez dudeSensitive estrogen alert. We have a safe space waiting.
He’s not dead. At the moment, there’s nothing preventing him from running for office. And I guarantee some form of social, radio and/or televised media will be willing to support his rhetoric.Correct but having a trial after he is out of office is like having a trial to convict someone of a crime after they’re dead. He’s not running for office ever again, he is essentially in hiding, and all of social media has cut him off at the knees. It’s beating a dead horse so Democrats can score political points - plain and simple.
“ I don’t support Trump, but I support owning libs.”Not surprisingly, this is going the same way as just about everything else with Trump. There are a lot of people who basically say, "I don't support Trump, but I defend everything he does."
Alexander Hamilton (I think) would disagree with you. The institution of impeachment was designed as a political act, within a political theatre to control the actions of political men and be a national inquest into the actions of political leaders and their conduct. The impeachment power is more important than any one President. And the conviction of a President, in or out of office is more importantly viewed not through criminal law - where there is little comparison - but through political structure and foundational powers of the elected men and women we choose to lead us.Correct but having a trial after he is out of office is like having a trial to convict someone of a crime after they’re dead. He’s not running for office ever again, he is essentially in hiding, and all of social media has cut him off at the knees. It’s beating a dead horse so Democrats can score political points - plain and simple.
Squistion logging on Twitter. “Cometh the hour, cometh the man.”I don't have access to a television. I would appreciate any all updates on the impeachment you have time to post.
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Grown men laugh at violent mobs. And some of those guys did look silly in their costumes.I don't know how you could watch that 13 minute video from yesterday and then act like nobody should have been scared.
Yep on the bold. Probably should have done it already given his network.It's not a disregard for the safety of our elected officials so much as it is an attempt to gaslight and minimize due to the sides involved. That's what's incredibly sad.
There are people from the "red" side (like @jm192, for example), that clearly came out and said it was wrong. I know if Biden and his supporters (or anyone) did anything close to what happened 1/6, I would firmly denounce it regardless of which side they were on. I would think most here would. And that's why the ignore list exists and why it's pointless to engage those who engage in such bad faith.
"For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever."Scared yes but spare us the drama. You are a public figure so dealing with hostile people comes with the job. We have fireman, policeman, nurses on the covid wing. Military etc etc that risk their lives every day anonymously and in silence. So let’s put this in perspective and stop with the overhype.
Cognitive dissonance. In their hearts, they know people on their “side” did something egregious, but they can’t simultaneously accept that and remain a member of the group.In another thread this morning @jon_mx referred to this as “a few people shouting.”
Seriously what the heck is happening here? How can people watch these videos and reach this sort of conclusion? I just don’t get it.
Probably a tickle fight to really teach her a lesson.What do you think would have happened if Nancy Pelosi was in her office all alone when hundreds of protestors got there? And do you think she would be justified in fearing for her life?
The trial is being held after he is out of office because Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow it while he was in office.Correct but having a trial after he is out of office is like having a trial to convict someone of a crime after they’re dead. He’s not running for office ever again, he is essentially in hiding, and all of social media has cut him off at the knees. It’s beating a dead horse so Democrats can score political points - plain and simple.
The population of the United States in 1776 was about 2 / 2.5 million. As best as historians can guess only roughly 20-33% of the country could be considered supporters of the revolution. Less than that took up any arms at all. Less than that actually joined the army. And even less than that stayed in the army after the initial call to arms, requiring things like payments, the conscription of slaves and a whole host of other things to beg people to serve.Our country was never at risk. It was the work of 5000 zealous individuals in a country of 350m. Was it unique and unfortunate-yes. But the end of the United States as we know it - no never.
A few foreign flyboys horsing around.9/11 didn’t threaten the end of the USA either. Nonetheless it was an attack. Would you have called 9/11 an unfortunate attack by a group of zealous individuals?
It specifically doesn't with our civilian leadership. Our military and police forces, yes. The Legislatures? No, never.Do you think our elected officials really care about our safety all the time? Plus you’re a public official meaning you deal with public sometimes which could get hostile so it comes with the job.
No...bombs...people screaming Hang Mike Pence...people beating people with flagpoles...that does not come with the job. No more than Scalise and Giffords being shot "comes with the job".Do you think our elected officials really care about our safety all the time? Plus you’re a public official meaning you deal with public sometimes which could get hostile so it comes with the job.
And plenty that won't even go that far...just criticize those that are critical of Trump. Never taking an actual stand on any issue. That way they can never be pinned down as a supporter.Not surprisingly, this is going the same way as just about everything else with Trump. There are a lot of people who basically say, "I don't support Trump, but I defend everything he does."
Maybe that's how it started out, but it seems more about Trump now than the libs. Hanging Pence doesn't own the libs. Harassing Graham at the airport doesn't own the libs. Anyone who opposes Trump on anything is the enemy, whether they are libs or not. Well, I guess we could argue that anyone who opposes Trump is then labeled a lib, so maybe it still fits that way.“ I don’t support Trump, but I support owning libs.”
I've been thinking of it in terms of employment/HR. Do we want this person working in our organization? Do we want to allow this person the opportunity to work in our organization again?Alexander Hamilton (I think) would disagree with you. The institution of impeachment was designed as a political act, within a political theatre to control the actions of political men and be a national inquest into the actions of political leaders and their conduct. The impeachment power is more important than any one President. And the conviction of a President, in or out of office is more importantly viewed not through criminal law - where there is little comparison - but through political structure and foundational powers of the elected men and women we choose to lead us.
Arguing that running out the clock on being punished is a viable option speaks of our leaders in a way that none of us should support.
Outstanding point. This is why I'm comfortable with a considerable degree of whatever apparent over-punishment may result from the Senate trial. You never want a public official in the future to perform some calculus and think "Hmmm ... they didn't impeach for THAT, so perhaps there's room for me to grab illicit power".And we don't know the bolded. And its not just about him...again, its so this never happens again...from anyone.
They turn on those guys because they have shown insufficient commitment to owning the libs. That’s where the loyalty to Trump comes from. He’s certainly no more “conservative” than Mike Pence or Graham. But he is more committed to the proposition that Democrats are villains and monsters and crooks who must not just be opposed on a political or philosophical level, but rather on an existential level.Maybe that's how it started out, but it seems more about Trump now than the libs. Hanging Pence doesn't own the libs. Harassing Graham at the airport doesn't own the libs. Anyone who opposes Trump on anything is the enemy, whether they are libs or not. Well, I guess we could argue that anyone who opposes Trump is then labeled a lib, so maybe it still fits that way.
He'll need the tooWait....people think Trump WON'T be running in 2024? Really? If he had to decide today, there should be no question that he'd be running again...I'd be shocked if he doesn't run in 2024. My hope is as a "third party" guy....he's not going anywhere. His ego won't let him.
I’m sorry you can’t understand that history supports my premise that it’s part of the job. We have had 4 sittings presidents assassinated. It’s a not an attitude just my opinion.No...bombs...people screaming Hang Mike Pence...people beating people with flagpoles...that does not come with the job. No more than Scalise and Giffords being shot "comes with the job".
That is an awful attitude to have about this.
Tell that to ms Lincoln.It specifically doesn't with our civilian leadership. Our military and police forces, yes. The Legislatures? No, never.
John Wilkes Booth was hunted down and shot to death by the army in a search that took the entirety of the Federal government's might to conduct and prosecute.Tell that to ms Lincoln.
What an odd attitude.I’m sorry you can’t understand that history supports my premise that it’s part of the job. We have had 4 sittings presidents assassinated. It’s a not an attitude just my opinion.
he’s greatRep. Neguse just destroying the pro-trump traitors and terrorists supporters.
I was not characterizing the whole event. I was characterizing what the media latched onto as 'proof' this was an organized attack. It was not an organized or planned coup. It was a protest that due to a completely inadequate security presence turned into a riot. 99.9% of the people who showed up to protests had no intention of going inside the Capitol Building.In another thread this morning @jon_mx referred to this as “a few people shouting.”
Seriously what the heck is happening here? How can people watch these videos and reach this sort of conclusion? I just don’t get it.
Ummm...that still doesn't make it part of the job. Especially when the mob is entering the capitol...when the mob is whipped into a frenzy by a sitting POTUS...and is coming to your office because of lies told by POTUS.I’m sorry you can’t understand that history supports my premise that it’s part of the job. We have had 4 sittings presidents assassinated. It’s a not an attitude just my opinion.
Never in my life have I considered Republicans to be "forward thinking." Especially when I compare them to Democrats the last 40 years.Right....all these arguments for why NOT to proceed with ensuring law/order are followed are setting a precedent that most aren't thinking about.
I was not characterizing the whole event. I was characterizing what the media latched onto as 'proof' this was an organized attack. It was not an organized or planned coup. It was a protest that due to a completely inadequate security presence turned into a riot. 99.9% of the people who showed up to protests had no intention of going inside the Capitol Building.
Getting assassinated or physically assaulted is not an accepted part of the job. It's something we actively attempt to prevent in various ways because it is not an accepted part of the job.I’m sorry you can’t understand that history supports my premise that it’s part of the job. We have had 4 sittings presidents assassinated. It’s a not an attitude just my opinion.
And why it's a pointless exercise. They don't care.No...bombs...people screaming Hang Mike Pence...people beating people with flagpoles...that does not come with the job. No more than Scalise and Giffords being shot "comes with the job".
That is an awful attitude to have about this.
Having a mob approach the Capitol with just a couple of cops and a barricade a three-grader could have gotten through was a bigger contributor than Trump. BLM and leftist look at the lack of police presence as evidence of how racist the police are, but in reality a major police presence at large events where emotions run high are essential to keeping the protest peaceful and in fact did limit damage over the summer. The amount of police present on January 6th is like a bank leaving bags of money on the sidewalk.
"Hey look, I robbed the bank because their security was completely inadequate. Not my fault!"
"Hey, I didn't plan on stealing that painting from the museum, but when I noticed their inadequate security, the thing just leapt into my arms".
Baghdad Bob would be proud of you. You spin like Fred Astaire on skates. At this point, I can just sit back and marvel at you.