Koya
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I have seen many a mid - or late - season pickup turn around a season and sometimes even lead to a championship.
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***Official JACKIE BATTLE Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Not necessarily smart ###. Ever heard of injuries? Manning, Charles and Britt for me. So yes, I need guys like Battle to produce.
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
Because people here were expecting an Adrian Peterson/Barry Sanders productionWhy is everyone declaring Battle a bust after one game and 76 yards?
Boom Switch
Footballguy
He outscored daniel thomas i sat for him so i cant really complain. Ofcourse i should have sat beanie for thomas, i suck...Why is everyone declaring Battle a bust after one game and 76 yards?
ponchsox
Footballguy
Or DeMarco Murray production?Because people here were expecting an Adrian Peterson/Barry Sanders productionWhy is everyone declaring Battle a bust after one game and 76 yards?
choices dont seem "weird" if youve ever watched the chiefs. rather than give the ball to jamaal charles they gave it to thomas jones. its a 5 way committee now, which makes me foolish for thinking it was a 3 way.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Misleading how so?
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yes. Early draft. Got him when they were still claiming 1 week. 2 weeks before the truth came out. 8th QB off board. At the time, great value.
Boone22
Footballguy
The comedy in this thread just never stops (even when people don't mean it). Does anyone really believe that all those "Battle Hype" threads were completely serious? If so you need to get your sarcasm filters checked.
That being said, Could Battle be the next Fred Jackson? He could be, but he could also be the next Rashard Lee. I don't think anyone can make a ruling after only 2 games played. So far this year he's got 230 yards on 45 carries for a 5.1 YPC average - not too shabby. Right now he's a decent bye week filler. Anyone relying on him to put up RB#1 numbers apparently has "other" line-up problems. Nobody would be in this thread complaining if he had those 2 rushing TDs. BUT what RBs in the NFL don't EVER get vultured by someone else at some point during the season?
People need to lighten up and see him for what he is. A lottery ticket, where the numbers haven't been called yet. In the mean time use him as a bye week starter if you need him and hope for the best but expect nothing special (especially considering Haley's play calling).
That being said, Could Battle be the next Fred Jackson? He could be, but he could also be the next Rashard Lee. I don't think anyone can make a ruling after only 2 games played. So far this year he's got 230 yards on 45 carries for a 5.1 YPC average - not too shabby. Right now he's a decent bye week filler. Anyone relying on him to put up RB#1 numbers apparently has "other" line-up problems. Nobody would be in this thread complaining if he had those 2 rushing TDs. BUT what RBs in the NFL don't EVER get vultured by someone else at some point during the season?
People need to lighten up and see him for what he is. A lottery ticket, where the numbers haven't been called yet. In the mean time use him as a bye week starter if you need him and hope for the best but expect nothing special (especially considering Haley's play calling).
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SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
I'm afraid that a good percentage of posters here would say yes
ponchsox
Footballguy
I am sure most of the over the top hype was all in jest. But really, he should be a decent RB2. Nothing that happened today changes that.
He got the majority of carries and lost a couple flukey g/l carries to a couple guys who probably won't see another one all season. He did well with his touches and did nothing to warrant a decrease going forward. Would we have liked to see more? Of course, but as I see it his stock is still trending up.
shadyridr
Footballguy
no he didnt, 16 of 39 <> majority
The Comedian
Footballguy
treat88
Footballguy
You think Arenas is part of the committee?
baldwonder
Footballguy
Not the majority, but the MOST carries.
IMO his carries will continue to increase to the point he DOES receive the majority of carries, including goal line touches. McCluster will be the change of pace, 3rd down back in certain pass situations, FatRon mcClain will get 3-5 touches per game, and Jones will disappear into oblivion. Battle is a special teams, low end (minimum wage earner) player who even though is the best guy for the job, coaches find difficult to give the rock to over guys making more money and with a better track record. However, FatRon's fumble, Jones's dead legs today along with McCluster's slight build all point to a steadily increased workload for Jackie (he should really drop the "ie", right?)
I think it's reasonable to expect numbers similar to, but slightly under Mendnhall and what a healthy Beanie Wells would do. What's that= basically zero receptions, 80-120 yds, and a TD every other game or so. Not Arian Foster, but those #s will win some games for Beanie, Jahvid, Felix owners. At least that's what we HOPE!
IMO his carries will continue to increase to the point he DOES receive the majority of carries, including goal line touches. McCluster will be the change of pace, 3rd down back in certain pass situations, FatRon mcClain will get 3-5 touches per game, and Jones will disappear into oblivion. Battle is a special teams, low end (minimum wage earner) player who even though is the best guy for the job, coaches find difficult to give the rock to over guys making more money and with a better track record. However, FatRon's fumble, Jones's dead legs today along with McCluster's slight build all point to a steadily increased workload for Jackie (he should really drop the "ie", right?)
I think it's reasonable to expect numbers similar to, but slightly under Mendnhall and what a healthy Beanie Wells would do. What's that= basically zero receptions, 80-120 yds, and a TD every other game or so. Not Arian Foster, but those #s will win some games for Beanie, Jahvid, Felix owners. At least that's what we HOPE!
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
ThePittbully
Footballguy
He averaged 4.8 ypc today, stat line could have been a lot better, especially in a blow out, but it's far from a bad performance. He's obviously not Adrian Peterson, but as an owner who's really thin at RB I'm glad to have him at this point
Insein
Footballguy
76 yards in a weird game where the Raiders were pretty much non-existent, is not bad. There was never really a doubt after halftime who was winning. My guess is haley played it safe by getting Mccluster and Jones carries as well. IF last weeks game against Indy was any indication, when its a close game, he'll feed 1 guy the ball. And that guy looks to be Battle for now. People need to be realistic. He's not going to give RB1 numbers but a ceiling of RB2 numbers with RB3 numbers most likely for the rest of the year is realistic. 7 pts from your RB3 is not bad provided the rest of your team is still solid.
shadyridr
Footballguy
dude the exact opposite happened. when it was a close game battle had 3 carries to mcclusters 5 in the 1st half. battle had most of his carries in the 3rd and 4th quarter when the game was a blowout.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think most Battle owners have to be disappointed on balance after yesterday.
Yes, he got 16 carries and did pretty well with them, but if one had to guess going into the game how many carries Battle would have in a game that the Chiefs thoroughly dominated 28-0, you'd figure it would be at least 25 plus GL duties.
The positive thing is that McLain nor Jones look like they can handle the heavy lifting, so that may help Battle earn more trust from Haley going forward.
So clearly we can expect Jones to get the ball 20+ times next week.
Yes, he got 16 carries and did pretty well with them, but if one had to guess going into the game how many carries Battle would have in a game that the Chiefs thoroughly dominated 28-0, you'd figure it would be at least 25 plus GL duties.
The positive thing is that McLain nor Jones look like they can handle the heavy lifting, so that may help Battle earn more trust from Haley going forward.
So clearly we can expect Jones to get the ball 20+ times next week.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
I swear I will never own another RB coached by Haley ... the absolute worst, the dagger to the heart, was when Battle was taken out of the goal-line carries in favor of a freaking DB
Clearly, you are not a Mark Ingram owner....
shadyridr
Footballguy
in fairness it was a wildcat formation
We know from our history with Charles that Haley is not one to throw a guy into a huge workload. We saw last year that he intentionally ran a RBBC to keep Charles fresh for the 2nd-half of the season. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he isn't overloading Battle at this point. Remember, he's also coming off a pseudo-concussion/neck injury, so that could've played a role in his usage at the G/L or in short yardage. Haley has only positive things to say about him and he's on a short list of backs who've gotten >15 carries the past 2 weeks. I think we'll see him get more and more touches, but it's going to take a couple weeks.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
That is the real question.
zamboni
Footballguy
Good point on the bolded - I hadn't thought about that.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
I think it's funny comparing this thread to the Hardesty thread where his owners are basically having a party over his 2.9 ypc performance against the seahawks and in here the sky is falling on a guy who averaged almost 5 ypc.
Otis
Footballguy
The two TDs are what sting the most. If Battle gets one of those carries instead and punches in a TD, fantasy owners would probably have been pretty happy overall with this week. I know I would have been. Would have been the second solid week in a row.
So I think it's the TD issue that has people most miffed. Would have been nice to see him get just a few more touches and perhaps one of those goal line touches, particularly after all Haley said this week.
So I think it's the TD issue that has people most miffed. Would have been nice to see him get just a few more touches and perhaps one of those goal line touches, particularly after all Haley said this week.
I'm gonna start by making a list for all of us to look at
Jamal Charles
Beanie Wells
Tim Hightower
Willis McGahee
Javid Best
Darren McFadden
Marshawn Lynch
LaGarette Blount
Felix Jones
Joseph Addai
Ernest Graham
This is a list of running backs who are either down for the year or currently injured. It's slim pickings out there and you can't argue against 17 carries in week 7 for a Chiefs team that is built to run. Battle's carry and yardage total are what I expected and I'm happy with it. I think we're dissapointed that he didn't get goal line carries but after McClain's fumble I think that will change starting week 8.
But in terms of RB value, Battle is a solid RB2 as long as he is getting carries. He will be a high upside RB2 if he gets goaline looks which I believe will come. It's brutal out there this year for RBs. If you were to compare value, I believe a straight up trade between Battle for Marshall or DeSean Jackson is fair. This assessment I'm making isn't about talent vs talent. It's just that the RB position has thinned out much that it's now a prime position of need.
Jamal Charles
Beanie Wells
Tim Hightower
Willis McGahee
Javid Best
Darren McFadden
Marshawn Lynch
LaGarette Blount
Felix Jones
Joseph Addai
Ernest Graham
This is a list of running backs who are either down for the year or currently injured. It's slim pickings out there and you can't argue against 17 carries in week 7 for a Chiefs team that is built to run. Battle's carry and yardage total are what I expected and I'm happy with it. I think we're dissapointed that he didn't get goal line carries but after McClain's fumble I think that will change starting week 8.
But in terms of RB value, Battle is a solid RB2 as long as he is getting carries. He will be a high upside RB2 if he gets goaline looks which I believe will come. It's brutal out there this year for RBs. If you were to compare value, I believe a straight up trade between Battle for Marshall or DeSean Jackson is fair. This assessment I'm making isn't about talent vs talent. It's just that the RB position has thinned out much that it's now a prime position of need.
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Insein
Footballguy
Hmm well I guess redzone didn't show that very well. Still, it was a weird game. I wouldn't take much from it just like you can't expect 119 yards against the Colts every week. He's still been solid for a bye week filler so far. Needs to get in the endzone though.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
He did get majority of the carries but a featured back shouldn't get only two carries in the first half. I would be much happier if he had 10 carries in the first half with none in the second, since it was a blow out. But instead, he got 14 carries when things didn't matter. And why not give your feature back the TD to give him more confidence? All I'm saying is Battle could have had a great day but it's all screwed up over there... He had 2 carries for 9 yards in the first half. Second half numbers is quite misleading imo.
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Who's to say its not the 1st half numbers that are misleading? What if it was the gameplan to throw more in the 1st half, get a lead, and have Battle run down the clock in the 2nd half? I think his 2nd half numbers are much closer to what his average half will be than the 1st half.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Why would you expect their best runner to get more work in a blowout? I realize he did get more carries in the 2nd half, but Id expect him to get more touches in a close game than a blowout.Last night during the Saints game, for instance, I was amazed how many touches Sproles was getting in the 2nd half let alone the 4th quarter in the biggest blwout of the year. Why keep giving your best offensive weapon touch after touch in a game like that?When its all said and done, he still got the most carries for KC and got 16 for the game. I dont know about other people's leagues, but the RBs on my WW are worthless, we have to start to 2RBs and have 2RB/WR flexes, and with trading DWill last week, after AD Im left with an underperforming and now nicked Ingram, a fractured McGahee, Pierre Thomas, and Maurice Morris. Battle will easily be seeing my lineup every week, for better or worse.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
I mean Really? Anyway, let's put a fork in this one cause it's effin done!!!'Kenny Powers said:
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
For those who are panicking
Battle 41 snaps
McCluster 23
Jones 14
McClain (as FB) 38
Battle 41 snaps
McCluster 23
Jones 14
McClain (as FB) 38
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Reepicheep
Footballguy
You missed Peyton Hillis, plus six teams on bye last week and this week, 17 for 76 is nothing to turn your nose up at.
killrobotkill
Footballguy
I think the word you're looking for is: Battle got a plurality of carries.
Khy
Footballguy
Look if he gets those goal line carries over Arenas or McClain he puts up 17/76/1 which is about as solid of a fantasy day that you can ask for... it'll be there. As said above with all the injuries right now he's a solid play most weeks in a RB2/Flex spot. If you lost say Charles and Best or something this season though I doubt he'll save your season.
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haven't read the whole thread, just the last page or so....but this sentence got me thinking....first guys that came to mind....Emmitt Smith, Faulk, Priest Holmes, Marcus Allen.....
seemed like they got em all for some reason.....that ball cancer thing.....
Khy
Footballguy
I think he meant a player that is active... the answer is simple. There isn't one... the closest you could possibly get right now is probably AP, FJax or Foster and even they lose a few goal line carries.
Thoughts on week 9? MNF, at home, versus a fairly poor Chargers run defense. Frankly, I was a bit surprised with his low ranking in the weekly projections so far, and expect a few more carries.
I'm expecting about 15 carries for 70 yards, perhaps 1 catch. 50/50 on a touchdown.
I'm expecting about 15 carries for 70 yards, perhaps 1 catch. 50/50 on a touchdown.
