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[Rayderr]

I think there's a very good chance that Ward is indeed Hydra, based solely on Joss Whedon. He's not afraid to write off major and recurring characters (usually with death.) in Buffy he killed off Tara, Anya, and Buffy's Mom (Angel and Buffy also died, but they got better). Angel he killed off Doyle, Winnifred, Cordelia and Wesley. Firefly/Serenity saw the deaths of Shepherd and Wash. And there are already rumors of a major death in the next Avengers film.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think Ward is a cannibal.

 

[Tecumseh]

I think Ward is up to something.

 

[Vike Me]

This show is getting better, no doubt about it. However, if they make Ward some triple agent that fake killed Hand and the other two SHIELD agents to infiltrate Hydra, there really is no saving this show. Marvel's AoS has always been wanna-be Whedon. It's gotten to the point where it could be good Whedon if they don't #### out here.

Fake killed triple agent would be worst case for me too.

I think that's what it will be. Did you see Coulson and Ward give each other "knowing glances" right before he went into the hanger to take Garret to the Freezer? Also thought it was out of character for a "good" SHIELD Agent (Hand) to advocate executing someone like that - that's why I think it was a setup and Ward is deep undercover. I hope I'm wrong.

My problem with that is it completely lets Ward off the hook for killing the Faux-Clairvoyant. And it also wouldn't really make sense. Are we supposed to believe that Garrett thinks that Ward just turned for Hydra then and there? Why would Garret trust that? It makes far more sense for Ward, who was trained by Garrett, to have always been Hydra.

Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said - I hope I'm wrong. It would be way more interesting if Ward had been playing them/Skye the whole time.

Ward could have always been a Hydra "plant" but that would mean Coulson and the rest knew Garret was Hydra which I don't think there is any way they knew.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I think they left a tiny bit of wiggle room with Ward, in that he waited for Hand to offer up Garret for execution before he killed her and the guards. It still seems like a tough rationalization if they want to have him be completely redeemed at some point, but there's at least a sliver more moral wiggle room there.

A more interesting variation is that Ward has just gone totally rogue, and plans on trying to take down Hydra from the inside without the knowledge or consent of anyone else at SHIELD.

 

[FUBAR]

This show is getting better, no doubt about it. However, if they make Ward some triple agent that fake killed Hand and the other two SHIELD agents to infiltrate Hydra, there really is no saving this show. Marvel's AoS has always been wanna-be Whedon. It's gotten to the point where it could be good Whedon if they don't #### out here.

Fake killed triple agent would be worst case for me too.

I think that's what it will be. Did you see Coulson and Ward give each other "knowing glances" right before he went into the hanger to take Garret to the Freezer? Also thought it was out of character for a "good" SHIELD Agent (Hand) to advocate executing someone like that - that's why I think it was a setup and Ward is deep undercover. I hope I'm wrong.

My problem with that is it completely lets Ward off the hook for killing the Faux-Clairvoyant. And it also wouldn't really make sense. Are we supposed to believe that Garrett thinks that Ward just turned for Hydra then and there? Why would Garret trust that? It makes far more sense for Ward, who was trained by Garrett, to have always been Hydra.

I interpreted the glance to be Coulson's concern that Ward would kill the real Clairvoyant.

Garret having trained Ward and all the wiring/systems stuff on the plane seems to indicate Ward isn't coming back. At least that's the hope.

Agree with AD that there is wiggle room. But that's supposed to keep us engrossed.

 

[NewlyRetired]

A more interesting variation is that Ward has just gone totally rogue, and plans on trying to take down Hydra from the inside without the knowledge or consent of anyone else at SHIELD.

Now this would be interesting. A classic "the ends justify the means" story line and all the ramifications that come with that.

 

[Psychopav]

This show is getting better, no doubt about it. However, if they make Ward some triple agent that fake killed Hand and the other two SHIELD agents to infiltrate Hydra, there really is no saving this show. Marvel's AoS has always been wanna-be Whedon. It's gotten to the point where it could be good Whedon if they don't #### out here.

Fake killed triple agent would be worst case for me too.

I think that's what it will be. Did you see Coulson and Ward give each other "knowing glances" right before he went into the hanger to take Garret to the Freezer? Also thought it was out of character for a "good" SHIELD Agent (Hand) to advocate executing someone like that - that's why I think it was a setup and Ward is deep undercover. I hope I'm wrong.

My problem with that is it completely lets Ward off the hook for killing the Faux-Clairvoyant. And it also wouldn't really make sense. Are we supposed to believe that Garrett thinks that Ward just turned for Hydra then and there? Why would Garret trust that? It makes far more sense for Ward, who was trained by Garrett, to have always been Hydra.

Sure it would, if Ward knew all along that that the invalid wasn't the real clairvoyant.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

This show is getting better, no doubt about it. However, if they make Ward some triple agent that fake killed Hand and the other two SHIELD agents to infiltrate Hydra, there really is no saving this show. Marvel's AoS has always been wanna-be Whedon. It's gotten to the point where it could be good Whedon if they don't #### out here.

Fake killed triple agent would be worst case for me too.

I think that's what it will be. Did you see Coulson and Ward give each other "knowing glances" right before he went into the hanger to take Garret to the Freezer? Also thought it was out of character for a "good" SHIELD Agent (Hand) to advocate executing someone like that - that's why I think it was a setup and Ward is deep undercover. I hope I'm wrong.

My problem with that is it completely lets Ward off the hook for killing the Faux-Clairvoyant. And it also wouldn't really make sense. Are we supposed to believe that Garrett thinks that Ward just turned for Hydra then and there? Why would Garret trust that? It makes far more sense for Ward, who was trained by Garrett, to have always been Hydra.

Sure it would, if Ward knew all along that that the invalid wasn't the real clairvoyant.

I don't understand your point. My only point about killing the Faux-Clairvoyant is that its completely explicable if Ward is a HYDRA mole. But not really explicable if Ward isn't an amoral HYDRA mole because "He got in my head about Skye!" isn't a convincing explanation. It's bad enough that Coulson and the team buy it, don't ask the audience to buy it again.

The thesis that I find non-sensical is that Ward is secretly infiltrating HYDRA for SHIELD. In order for that to be true, one of the following scenarios needs to be true.

1. Ward was never affiliated with Hydra but he shoots Hand and the red shirts (or fake shoots them, whatever) without arousing an iota of suspicion in Garrett.

2. Ward was affiliated with HYDRA all along, Coulson never knew, but Coulson is able to talk Ward into being a triple agent in roughly 10 seconds of screen time.

3. Ward was affiliated with HYDRA all along and Coulson knew, but the show has just been lying to us.

4. Ward was HYDRA all along. No one knows but he's going to turn on HYDRA because of his TWUE WUV for Skye.

The first three scenarios are implausible. The fourth is just kind of awful.

 

[packersfan]

I think there's a very good chance that Ward is indeed Hydra, based solely on Joss Whedon. He's not afraid to write off major and recurring characters (usually with death.) in Buffy he killed off Tara, Anya, and Buffy's Mom (Angel and Buffy also died, but they got better). Angel he killed off Doyle, Winnifred, Cordelia and Wesley. Firefly/Serenity saw the deaths of Shepherd and Wash. And there are already rumors of a major death in the next Avengers film.

The one counterpoint I'd make to this is all of the characters you listed were developed over time (in some cases a lot of time). Doyle was killed off in the first season of Angel primarily because Glenn Quinn was having drug and personal issues. I'm not saying Ward won't stay evil and be killed off. I'm just not sure Whedon's history is something to fall back on as a reason why it could happen. In most cases, Whedon's primary cast stays in place for awhile if the show has any type of longevity.

 

[Rustoleum]

So, did G.I. Joe steal all their source material from S.H.i.E.L.D or vice versa?

The Hand-Baroness and COBRA-HYDRA stuff can't be a coincidence.

Also, Ward is still lame and wooden no matter which team he is on.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Just dawned on me that Triplett will be taking Ward's place on the team as the heavy-hitter.

The fact that they've written themselves such a convenient switch makes me less concerned about Ward being undercover or coming back. Dude is Hydra, lock it in.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I think there's a very good chance that Ward is indeed Hydra, based solely on Joss Whedon. He's not afraid to write off major and recurring characters (usually with death.) in Buffy he killed off Tara, Anya, and Buffy's Mom (Angel and Buffy also died, but they got better). Angel he killed off Doyle, Winnifred, Cordelia and Wesley. Firefly/Serenity saw the deaths of Shepherd and Wash. And there are already rumors of a major death in the next Avengers film.

The one counterpoint I'd make to this is all of the characters you listed were developed over time (in some cases a lot of time). Doyle was killed off in the first season of Angel primarily because Glenn Quinn was having drug and personal issues. I'm not saying Ward won't stay evil and be killed off. I'm just not sure Whedon's history is something to fall back on as a reason why it could happen. In most cases, Whedon's primary cast stays in place for awhile if the show has any type of longevity.

The other huge difference here is that this is not Joss's show, like Buffy, Angel and Firefly were.

He has very little to do with the day to day running of Agents of Shield. The showrunners are Jed Whedon, and Maurissa Tancharoen.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Ok this settles the question of fake killed.

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In a new interview over at IGN, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. executive producers Jeffrey Bell and Jeph Loeb were asked just how serious Hand's condition is after taking three rounds from Ward's sidearm. Bell didn't mince words.

"Let's say that Ward definitely killed [Hand and the other two agents]," he said.

Bell went on a little longer, though, and what he said next could be considered wiggle room for the character's return someday.

"It's the Marvel Universe... But he definitely put three shots in her, and he killed her," he said.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Ok this settles the question of fake killed.

==========================================

In a new interview over at IGN, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. executive producers Jeffrey Bell and Jeph Loeb were asked just how serious Hand's condition is after taking three rounds from Ward's sidearm. Bell didn't mince words.

"Let's say that Ward definitely killed [Hand and the other two agents]," he said.

Bell went on a little longer, though, and what he said next could be considered wiggle room for the character's return someday.

"It's the Marvel Universe... But he definitely put three shots in her, and he killed her," he said.

Ugh. Well we'll see what happens. I know Skye is supposed to be 'special' somehow... I wonder if that kiss might've had some weird affect on him.

 

[Mad Cow]

Sorry, but the whole bad guys run wild over everything is just as boring and lame as the good guys. Sure, let's have a few Hydra team members take over the most secure SHIELD base just like that. Let's let the bad guys pretty much do whatever they want. That is bound to make good TV, right? I get the feel they might want, but they took it so far that it just makes the show look stupid.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Simmons is hotter than Skye. That is all

 

[Beerguzzler]

Sorry, but the whole bad guys run wild over everything is just as boring and lame as the good guys. Sure, let's have a few Hydra team members take over the most secure SHIELD base just like that. Let's let the bad guys pretty much do whatever they want. That is bound to make good TV, right? I get the feel they might want, but they took it so far that it just makes the show look stupid.

Yes I thought tonight's show was a big letdown after the last one.

 

[Psychopav]

I liked the episode, it's kind of a transition ep in my mind.

But he sooner they get past this Ward-Skye thing the better imo. If they wanted that tension to be a centerpiece of the show, they should have gone with Fitz and Simmons, who have way more chemistry imo.

 

[Rayderr]

I liked the episode, it's kind of a transition ep in my mind.

But he sooner they get past this Ward-Skye thing the better imo. If they wanted that tension to be a centerpiece of the show, they should have gone with Fitz and Simmons, who have way more chemistry imo.

I'm guessing in the long run, at some point Ward is going to be faced with a situation where he has to kill Skye. He can't do it, get's captured and sent of to prison, only to come back for a couple episodes here and there.

 

[packersfan]

Simmons is hotter than Skye. That is all

I'd give Skye a slight edge but I'm not buying the whole "Simmons isn't hot because she's a geeky scientist" thing. She's smokin hot.

 

[packersfan]

I liked the episode, it's kind of a transition ep in my mind.

But he sooner they get past this Ward-Skye thing the better imo. If they wanted that tension to be a centerpiece of the show, they should have gone with Fitz and Simmons, who have way more chemistry imo.

They definitely worked in that direction last night. There were all sorts of things going on with the two of them and Fitz feeling insecure about his place in their relationship and Simmons not picking up on it.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Waited until after seeing Cap2 to watch last week's ep. I read this speculation up thread, & I think it might be where they're going with Ward. He looked disturbed about killing Hand & the 2 SHIELD agents. I think he might have done it as a "means justify the end" situation to go undercover into HYDRA. there didn't seem to be any indication that he knew Garrett was HYDRA. It's not a good story but I think they may be doing that.

Either that or the killings were a ruse to get him inside.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Waited until after seeing Cap2 to watch last week's ep. I read this speculation up thread, & I think it might be where they're going with Ward. He looked disturbed about killing Hand & the 2 SHIELD agents. .

He did not look disturbed at all tonight killing the two other agents.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Waited until after seeing Cap2 to watch last week's ep. I read this speculation up thread, & I think it might be where they're going with Ward. He looked disturbed about killing Hand & the 2 SHIELD agents. I think he might have done it as a "means justify the end" situation to go undercover into HYDRA. there didn't seem to be any indication that he knew Garrett was HYDRA. It's not a good story but I think they may be doing that.

Either that or the killings were a ruse to get him inside.

Not sure if you were watched this week's episode or not, but all this is debunked. Spoiler tag for ya even though it was this week's already aired episode:

Spoiler

He and Garrett chat about how he was working for Hydra the whole time, and he caps two more shield agents right in the head in cold blood without a second though

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Guess I need to catch up then. I'm usually a week or two behind & then me & my 14 yr old son watch it online together.

Good to hear they're not likely to do that. Loving having Paxton on it, but I'm sure he'll have to die near the end of this season. I don't know how it will work if Ward is the face of Hydra, & main antagonist. Kind of lame IMO

 

[FUBAR]

Ward makes a worse villain than hero, if that's possible.

If I'm writing the next few episodes - Skye kills Ward as May watches without knowing why. May then goes off on Skye but Simmons is able to stop her, then they go X-rated.

 

[UOFI_316]

Am I the only one who noticed that when Garrett was "interrogating" Ward to make his story plausible, he was hitting him on the left side of his face, yet when he shows up at Patton Oswald's house his right cheek was all cut up? Crap like that drives me crazy, how hard is it to remember which side needs the makeup.

 

[Chaka]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

In all likelihood It'll be back for next year at least.

 

[James Daulton]

Sky, Simmons, and May. Yes please.

 

[Chaka]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

In all likelihood It'll be back for next year at least.

Is it worth watching if you are a fan of the MCU?

I am a big fan of the MCU but I am leery of network dramas in general, I think 24 episode seasons typically lead to too many story-lines and subplots that exist solely for the purpose of filling time rather than making meaningful contributions to the overarching premise.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

In all likelihood It'll be back for next year at least.

Is it worth watching if you are a fan of the MCU?

I am a big fan of the MCU but I am leery of network dramas in general, I think 24 episode seasons typically lead to too many story-lines and subplots that exist solely for the purpose of filling time rather than making meaningful contributions to the overarching premise.

I watch it because I'm a big fan of MCU. I'd say it has generally improved during the year and has potential. It's not consistently great TV, but there have also only been one or two episodes that I thought were total clunkers.

I made a comment a while back that I might enjoy the show more if they ran a 12 episode Netflix type model, vs. the 24 ep. network season. Seeing how this compares to the Defenders on Netflix will be interesting.

 

[Chaka]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

In all likelihood It'll be back for next year at least.

Is it worth watching if you are a fan of the MCU?

I am a big fan of the MCU but I am leery of network dramas in general, I think 24 episode seasons typically lead to too many story-lines and subplots that exist solely for the purpose of filling time rather than making meaningful contributions to the overarching premise.

I watch it because I'm a big fan of MCU. I'd say it has generally improved during the year and has potential. It's not consistently great TV, but there have also only been one or two episodes that I thought were total clunkers.

I made a comment a while back that I might enjoy the show more if they ran a 12 episode Netflix type model, vs. the 24 ep. network season. Seeing how this compares to the Defenders on Netflix will be interesting.

This is the first I have heard of the Defenders series. After doing a little reading it seems more like an expanded Heroes for Hire than the Defenders but whatever, I am definitely excited for the prospects. I think Netflix is a much better medium for something like that.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Do people think this show is going to stick or is it likely to be cancelled after a couple seasons?

In all likelihood It'll be back for next year at least.

Is it worth watching if you are a fan of the MCU?

I am a big fan of the MCU but I am leery of network dramas in general, I think 24 episode seasons typically lead to too many story-lines and subplots that exist solely for the purpose of filling time rather than making meaningful contributions to the overarching premise.

I watch it because I'm a big fan of MCU. I'd say it has generally improved during the year and has potential. It's not consistently great TV, but there have also only been one or two episodes that I thought were total clunkers.

I made a comment a while back that I might enjoy the show more if they ran a 12 episode Netflix type model, vs. the 24 ep. network season. Seeing how this compares to the Defenders on Netflix will be interesting.

This is the first I have heard of the Defenders series. After doing a little reading it seems more like an expanded Heroes for Hire than the Defenders but whatever, I am definitely excited for the prospects. I think Netflix is a much better medium for something like that.

grab Shield on DVD when it comes out or get it on torrent. It is a 20 episode season that is not great nor terrible. It is trying to find its footing still, and obviously Cap Am 2 is causing a pretty big change in the story line.

We are hoping there will be at least a season 2. A 40 episode would be a decent run especially if they get some fore warning that they will be cancelled next season to wrap things up.

If you really like the MCU, then this should be an "ok" show for you at worst.

 

[Corporation]

I thought it was a good episode tonight, and is building to a good finish. The show is markedly better than the beginning.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Easily one of the best of the season I'd say.

 

[Sinrman]

I must say that at first I thought the series was kinda.. meh. But I stuck with it and it has really turned into an excellent series the last 4-5 episodes...

 

[B Maverick]

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[packersfan]

Easily one of the best of the season I'd say.

I thought so too. This show has gotten considerably better as the season has gone along and I think it started when they began telling a more focused central story and abandoned the Mystery of the Week approach.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Easily one of the best of the season I'd say.

I thought so too. This show has gotten considerably better as the season has gone along and I think it started when they began telling a more focused central story and abandoned the Mystery of the Week approach.

Agree. Even though this episode had a one-off (Blackout), it was integrated in a way that allowed the main story arcs to have the central focus. A few other things I liked:

Tripp is shaping up to be a great character. Love the tie in to the Howling Commandos.

Ward works much better as an antagonist. The scenes with Skye were genuinely creepy and well done all around IMO.

May has always been one of the better characters and she continues to get more interesting. Great scene at the end.

Looking forward to see where they go over the last three episodes.

 

[packersfan]

I agree Ward has gotten a lot more interesting as a villain.

I'm assuming the Maria that May's mom was referring to at the end is Maria Hill?

ETA - I thought it was sharp how they had Ward beat the lie detector test by basically telling the truth about why he was there. He came back for Skye.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I agree Ward has gotten a lot more interesting as a villain.

I'm assuming the Maria that May's mom was referring to at the end is Maria Hill?

Yep, she's in the next episode.

 

[(HULK)]

I agree Ward has gotten a lot more interesting as a villain.

I'm assuming the Maria that May's mom was referring to at the end is Maria Hill?

ETA - I thought it was sharp how they had Ward beat the lie detector test by basically telling the truth about why he was there. He came back for Skye.

Probably. Plus they showed her in the preview for next week.

 

[packersfan]

Agree with the sentiments here that Ward needs to stay Hydra.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/agents_of_shield_why_grant_ward_needs_to_stay_committed_to_hydra-2014-04

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Agree with the sentiments here that Ward needs to stay Hydra.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/agents_of_shield_why_grant_ward_needs_to_stay_committed_to_hydra-2014-04

I think it's safe to assume that he's not going to be on the side of the angels all along. He's now killed more than enough SHIELD agents to make that storyline silly.

What I think could work (is behind spoilers):

Spoiler

I think they could do a twist on how Spike was originally treated on Buffy. He's introduced and you think he's going to be a henchman to the The Annoying One, but he just kills the kid and becomes the Big Bad. And of course, later, Spike becomes literally obsessed with Buffy.

I think something similar with Ward could work. He does have something for Skye. So much so that when the chips are down and Garrett is essentially saying, "Hey, you need to take her down" Ward kills Garrett instead. But he doesn't become the good guy. He just takes over and becomes the Big Bad, albeit a Big Bad who is obsessed with our heroine. A villain who just can't help himself when he has a chance to pull her pigtails.

If the show later wants to transition Ward to a grey hat or a strange bedfellows situation later in the show's run (assuming the show has much of a run), they can work on making that work. But he has to have his run as a baddie first.

 

[B Maverick]

Agree with the sentiments here that Ward needs to stay Hydra.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/agents_of_shield_why_grant_ward_needs_to_stay_committed_to_hydra-2014-04

I think it's safe to assume that he's not going to be on the side of the angels all along. He's now killed more than enough SHIELD agents to make that storyline silly.

What I think could work (is behind spoilers):

I agree that could work. But yes they need to keep Ward as the bad guy.

 

[stbugs]

Agree with the sentiments here that Ward needs to stay Hydra.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/agents_of_shield_why_grant_ward_needs_to_stay_committed_to_hydra-2014-04

I think it's safe to assume that he's not going to be on the side of the angels all along. He's now killed more than enough SHIELD agents to make that storyline silly.

What I think could work (is behind spoilers):

Spoiler

I think they could do a twist on how Spike was originally treated on Buffy. He's introduced and you think he's going to be a henchman to the The Annoying One, but he just kills the kid and becomes the Big Bad. And of course, later, Spike becomes literally obsessed with Buffy.

I think something similar with Ward could work. He does have something for Skye. So much so that when the chips are down and Garrett is essentially saying, "Hey, you need to take her down" Ward kills Garrett instead. But he doesn't become the good guy. He just takes over and becomes the Big Bad, albeit a Big Bad who is obsessed with our heroine. A villain who just can't help himself when he has a chance to pull her pigtails.

If the show later wants to transition Ward to a grey hat or a strange bedfellows situation later in the show's run (assuming the show has much of a run), they can work on making that work. But he has to have his run as a baddie first.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I could even see a one time good move, but he is absolutely not turning good anymore. He is 100% bad and to be honest, may not even care about Skye at all.

 

[Fennis]

Simmons is hotter than Skye. That is all

I'd give Skye a slight edge but I'm not buying the whole "Simmons isn't hot because she's a geeky scientist" thing. She's smokin hot.

especially when she lets down her ponytail and takes off her glasses.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

The writers have to kill off Ward before the end of the season don't they? I mean, he knows where the team's new, underground, super top-secret headquarters is located. Seems like Coulson and the gang will be using that place as a base of operations moving forward, and I don't think you can have one of the big bad guys walking around knowing the location of your secret headquarters...