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I meant from a fan standpoint. BW is a fan favorite. Hawkeye is kind of a joke (even though I like him). Hawkeye goes it's kind of like, awe that's a shame for his family but most don't really care. Natasha goes and every fan is like "Noooooooo!"
Really? I knew key characters weren't going to make it. I had forgotten about what it takes to get the soul stone. Once they got to Vormir, I was like oh yeah. She's gonna die.
Any time there is time travel, I know I'm just going to have to grin and bear it. It gets so messy. I know what they were doing with Cap at the end and it's a great finish, but it should have created an alternate timeline that would have prevented Cap from walking up to the bench.
I found that a bit cheesy too. At least they didn't have one if the male characters ho full cliche and say something like "I wouldn't want to get in their way."
Yea that was a nice nod to the audience saying "don't think about, just go with it cause we're doing this."
I agree it was contrived but to be fair we need to acknowledge that nearly every fan service scene in the movie was contrived.
The thing is it's more of a production achievement than a movie achievement. The story was pretty good and kept me entertained but it's hardly academy worth as best picture. If they did give it, it's an acknowledgement of all the work that went into the last 12+ years of making this universe thrive.
What an #######. I'd hope his friends beat the crap out of him but he probably doesn't have any.
IMO, this is part of why I am not thrilled at situations like this. Essentially, the academy will pick from one-off movies with 2 hour running times . . . or the final film in an 11 year, 22 movie story arc with close to 50 hours of story telling and character development. As a stand alone movie, is Endgame an Oscar worthy Best Picture candidate? If someone had never seen any of the other movies, how great would Endgame be?
I am really interested to see where this movie ends up on the IMDB top 250 list. By the end of next week we should have a good clue. Infinity War is currently the highest MCU movie at #36. (Endgame is number 2 right now but will likely drop as most movies do).
But that is an unfair question as the movie clearly assumes that people have watched the other movies, in fact it rewards them for doing so.
Yeah there is no doubt Loki is coming back. They gifted him the Tesseract and he was never seen or mentioned again, that was not by accident. There is a story there and it will be told eventually.
Again, Hawkeye seemed the obvious choice there to me. Plus she does have a solo movie coming out, which suggested she was going to make it.
they don't say so we can only speculate.
what are you talking about? We have two different threads. Each is clearly marked whether there are spoilers or no spoilers. Why would anyone open this thread who did not want spoilers based on the title?
True, but the alternate timeline created when Loki stole the tesseract in NYC would still exist under the Endgame time travel rules as stated by professor Hulk. The whole idea that Cap America has to go back to “correct” the six timelines they created opens nearly unlimited plot problems for nerds to debate over the next several years. The issues are compounded by the fact he can choose to stay in one of the timelines, age naturally, and is an old man at the end after having fought in the last battle. The reality is that the Back to the Future and Bill/Ted versions of time travel make just as much sense as the Endgame version, which is very little.
Yeah, I'm at a loss as well. I thought it may have been a call back to the Agent Carter TV series but really have no idea.
He’s more than an #######. He is likely a nuthair away from actually bringing a gun and shooting people just for the lulz.
And we have Gamora back in this timeline anyway, via time travel and having nothing to do with the soul stone. So seems a couple of different routes they can go with BW. Or just have it be an origin story/prequel.
Agent Carter was set in the late 40's (which was part of my very small nit pick that Carter and Jarvis both were way too young in 1970).
I think the best we are going to get is a comic series that helps detail Cap's journey into the past. I don't think we will ever see it on screen.
Well it was nice in that fact. It showed all the awesome female heroes that have been in this thing since the start. That's why I was eye rolling during the whole Captain Marvel is the first female superhero movie narrative when they were promoting it.
Did Marvel really push that or did it gain traction outside their control?
I was just answering the question some one asked about them never getting the tesseract because Loki stole it - they go back to 1970 to get it instead.
It is also not green lit yet from my understanding. They have a screen writer that is working on some ideas was the last I heard.
I could have held my piss break for another 30 minutes to see that sequence. The soul stone creates an interesting situation with BW and I think there’s a problem with two tesseracts. He could return the tesseract to 1970, then go to NYC and prevent Loki from stealing it, risking a 3 way fight with himself and himself.
it is amazing that a 3 hour movie to conclude a 40+ hour arc story still has so many unanswered questions the more you peel the onion
I'd have to rewatch it, but I thought Hulk touched the Time stone. Hawkeye definitely had the Soul stone in his hand, and for some reason I feel like he touched another one at some point.
If I saw this correctly, the sign on her office door said Margaret, not Peggy. A daughter? I don't the connection, but remember that Peggy had a niece in Civil War that Cap was involved with.
Margaret is her formal name, Peggy is her nickname.
Red Skull has some problems when he tries to hold the Tesseract in Captain America 1.
Didn't realize there were two threads, had posted in the other one previously. Nevermind.
So here is how I would sketch it out.
