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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (2 Viewers)

Play RG3 all year if he stays healthy. If he doesn't show any improvement we'll be drafting pretty high again, the Skins should draft another QB and move on.

 
Milkman said:
Play RG3 all year if he stays healthy. If he doesn't show any improvement we'll be drafting pretty high again, the Skins should draft another QB and move on.
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Agreed. For good or bad, start a healthy Griffin all year and tie Gruden's job to his performance. If he fails, cut Griffin and fire Gruden, start over.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Milkman said:
Play RG3 all year if he stays healthy. If he doesn't show any improvement we'll be drafting pretty high again, the Skins should draft another QB and move on.
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Agreed. For good or bad, start a healthy Griffin all year and tie Gruden's job to his performance. If he fails, cut Griffin and fire Gruden, start over.
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Only problem with that plan is they have guaranteed the Griffin contract in case of injury, haven't they? If they were 3-6 and you play Griffin the rest of the way aren't you on the hook for a ton of $ in'16 if he gets hurt?

I agree with plan otherwise. Several QB's are projected to be worth a high pick next year but do you want that big blight on your cap rather than spend that $ on OL to protect the rookie?

 
Cousins has a helluva lot of potential. If the dude could just settle down when the games count, look out.

I believe RG3 is a lost cause. He has little chance to come out of his funk, IMO. If he doesn't show right away, they need to give Cuz an extended look this season to see if he can be the guy. If not, the Skins need to either draft their QB next year or go get one in FA or via trade in the offseason.

 
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.
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The guy played 5.5 games and threw 9 interceptions. There's a reason they turned to journeyman Colt McCoy.

 
cstu said:
And Cousins is lighting it up.
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He was indecisive, late on throws, and put them in the wrong spots...and every single time his receivers bailed him out. He should have had at least two picks.

All that said, it appeared that they opened things up when he came into the game. With RG3 it was 100% conventional (and probably intentionally because that's what he needs the most work on).

For me it was a mixed bag for both guys. RG3 wasn't great but he was good. Those two fade routes to the corner were disgustingly bad, though.

Cousins was mediocre, but got really good results over and over again even though he shouldn't have.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.
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The guy played 5.5 games and threw 9 interceptions. There's a reason they turned to journeyman Colt McCoy.
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OMG 5.5 WHOLE games? That's certainly a big enough sample size to make a definitive opinion on his pro career.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.
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The guy played 5.5 games and threw 9 interceptions. There's a reason they turned to journeyman Colt McCoy.
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OMG 5.5 WHOLE games? That's certainly a big enough sample size to make a definitive opinion on his pro career.
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What's the flip side? That you're in favor of giving him a greater chance on the basis that he had a couple good games? You're weighing that in the face of the fact that this was a mediocre college player, a mediocre prospect, who had a mediocre pre-draft, and now 3.5 years of so-so or worse camps, pre-seasons, and a fistful of absolutely horrific NFL regular season games.

Sample size arguments aren't your friend when you're talking about a guy who's got a pro lifetime of doing nothing (or worse), peppered with a few good drives.

Cousins is junk. That book was written before those two terrible games. Those were merely a reminder of what every personnel guy in the NFL already knew.

 
Freelove said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.
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The guy played 5.5 games and threw 9 interceptions. There's a reason they turned to journeyman Colt McCoy.
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OMG 5.5 WHOLE games? That's certainly a big enough sample size to make a definitive opinion on his pro career.
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What's the flip side? That you're in favor of giving him a greater chance on the basis that he had a couple good games? You're weighing that in the face of the fact that this was a mediocre college player, a mediocre prospect, who had a mediocre pre-draft, and now 3.5 years of so-so or worse camps, pre-seasons, and a fistful of absolutely horrific NFL regular season games.Sample size arguments aren't your friend when you're talking about a guy who's got a pro lifetime of doing nothing (or worse), peppered with a few good drives.

Cousins is junk. That book was written before those two terrible games. Those were merely a reminder of what every personnel guy in the NFL already knew.
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That may or may not be true but he's a far better professional QB then Griffin.

 
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Freelove said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys know 95% of Cousins picks were in two games, right?

RGIII was horrific. 1 pass shoulda been picked, the one to Garçon should have been caught but was a bad pass and the play that he ran for a 1st down there were two people open.

Cousins comes in with the second stringers and they go 5 wide- all you need to know.
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The guy played 5.5 games and threw 9 interceptions. There's a reason they turned to journeyman Colt McCoy.
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OMG 5.5 WHOLE games? That's certainly a big enough sample size to make a definitive opinion on his pro career.
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What's the flip side? That you're in favor of giving him a greater chance on the basis that he had a couple good games? You're weighing that in the face of the fact that this was a mediocre college player, a mediocre prospect, who had a mediocre pre-draft, and now 3.5 years of so-so or worse camps, pre-seasons, and a fistful of absolutely horrific NFL regular season games.

Sample size arguments aren't your friend when you're talking about a guy who's got a pro lifetime of doing nothing (or worse), peppered with a few good drives.

Cousins is junk. That book was written before those two terrible games. Those were merely a reminder of what every personnel guy in the NFL already knew.
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Not a big fan of Cousins but the hate is strong with this one :)

I can't resist but.....I believe similar things were said about Tom Brady. He would not have lasted to the 6th round otherwise. In extremely rare cases the experts/coaches/scouts all agree barring injury a QB is going to be good....Manning, Luck. But those are few and far between. Others get dismissed due to physical limitations and the vast majority do not pan out. But the group in the middle need time to show whether they can develop or not.

 
Cousins seems pretty good except for the interceptions. Can he stop throwing those?

Everyone had written off Steve Young in TB after he threw 21 INT's in 501 pass attempts.

Alex Smith threw in 27 INT's in 607 pass attempts.

 
The majority of NFL Pro Personnel folks agree that throwing interceptions is something that is considered to be correctable, from what I've heard and read. Inability to read a defense, diagnose coverages/blitzes, understand an offensive scheme/digest a playbook or work through one's progressions, however, is not...

 
Is there any legitimate shot that RG3 is a Redskin in 2016?

If so, how would that work? His current contract only goes into 2016 if he's hurt, correct? So he'd have to do well enough this year for that 16m to be worth it to the team next year (the only way I see that happening is the playoffs). There is no chance, and no reason they would franchise him if they can keep him for $16m, right?

 
nittanylion said:
The majority of NFL Pro Personnel folks agree that throwing interceptions is something that is considered to be correctable, from what I've heard and read. Inability to read a defense, diagnose coverages/blitzes, understand an offensive scheme/digest a playbook or work through one's progressions, however, is not...
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Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but it seems to me that throwing interceptions is caused by the inability to read a defense, diagnose coverages/blitzes, understand an offensive scheme/digest a playbook or working through one's progressions.

You simply HAVE to improve on all of those causes in order for there to be fewer interceptions.

 
matttyl said:
Is there any legitimate shot that RG3 is a Redskin in 2016?

If so, how would that work? His current contract only goes into 2016 if he's hurt, correct? So he'd have to do well enough this year for that 16m to be worth it to the team next year (the only way I see that happening is the playoffs). There is no chance, and no reason they would franchise him if they can keep him for $16m, right?
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That price isn't going to break the bank, and he'll likely be better than any available options on the market. So 67/33, I'd say.

 
tangfoot said:
matttyl said:
Is there any legitimate shot that RG3 is a Redskin in 2016?

If so, how would that work? His current contract only goes into 2016 if he's hurt, correct? So he'd have to do well enough this year for that 16m to be worth it to the team next year (the only way I see that happening is the playoffs). There is no chance, and no reason they would franchise him if they can keep him for $16m, right?
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That price isn't going to break the bank, and he'll likely be better than any available options on the market. So 67/33, I'd say.
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That seems pretty high. You'd be getting him for one year at 16m, so kinda like a discounted franchise tag. Would put him right between Dalton and Eli as the 17th highest paid QB (of 2015). I just haven't seen anything from him that would justify that amount.

 
People are going to get all excited when Cousins hits FA next year and not only is he not going to receive an impressive contract, he's also going to lose the camp battle wherever he goes or be the bridge to whatever rookie that team drafts.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Milkman said:
Play RG3 all year if he stays healthy. If he doesn't show any improvement we'll be drafting pretty high again, the Skins should draft another QB and move on.
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Agreed. For good or bad, start a healthy Griffin all year and tie Gruden's job to his performance. If he fails, cut Griffin and fire Gruden, start over.
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I wouldn't be opposed to a healthy Griffin playing all season, but only as long as he's playing well enough that he's not one of the reasons they wind up in the 'L' column on any given Sunday. The Offensive Line and the Defense in general is going to be improved this year, and I think there's plenty to be positive about concerning the threesome of Alfred Morris/Matt Jones/Chris Thompson, and our WR group is solid. Even with all of that going for them, it would take a herculean effort to go from 4-12 to just 8-8, which is the high-water mark I've set in my mind for this year's Team. If the rest of the Team is performing well enough to win, but QB play is determined to be a major factor holding them back, then I'm not at all opposed to giving someone else a shot with everything else clicking reasonably well.

...but the second part of your statement concerns me, Conn...I can't remember your posting history on this, but I have to think you're not much a fan of Gruden's in general, for whatever the reason, because I think would be very unfair to tie his future to Griffin's performance. First of all, Griffin isn't one of Gruden's 'groceries', (yes, neither was Cousins, but Cousins has a lot more in common with the Dalton/the NFL archetype, than Griffin). Griffin was inherited by this Coaching Staff, and Gruden may likely have been hired under the wrong precepts. Hear me out:

Now, I'm going to speculate that if McCloughan was in charge in the offseason in which Gruden was hired, maybe Gruden wouldn't have been hired in the first place...but not because of any deficiencies he might have as a football coach. Gruden has a much longer, and better, track record in the NFL as a Coach than Griffin does as a QB, and he deserves a fair shot at being a Head Coach. He was a sought-after commodity by more than one Team with a better front office in place than Snyder/Allen when he was being recruited...

...he might not have been hired because McCloughan would have asked a key question that, as I understand it, was likely not asked by Snyder/Allen, which was: 'the most important thing for the Redskins, right now, is not if you can win, but rather, can you win with Griffin'...up until right now, there's only one Coach that's been able to generate anything positive out of Griffin, and that's Kyle Shanahan, and that was only before Griffin blew the knee. Griffin wasn't even Shanahan's decision - the decision to draft him was driven entirely by Snyder, the marketing genius, imagining the $$$ possibilities of having the D.C. area football team being led by a superstar black QB. Cousins was Mike Shanahan's hedge if Griffin didn't work out. Gruden was hired by Snyder/Allen based on a credible body of work, without much thought being given to if he could replicate his success with a non-traditional athlete playing QB. I'm speculating, but based on everything we know about the Snyder regime, I'd heavily wager I'm closer to the truth than not.

ConnSKINS26 said:
People are going to get all excited when Cousins hits FA next year and not only is he not going to receive an impressive contract, he's also going to lose the camp battle wherever he goes or be the bridge to whatever rookie that team drafts.
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Barring injury, I'd wager that this outcome is about as likely as it isn't. I'm not saying Cousins will develop into any kind of world-beater, but I think he has the potential to be a competent NFL QB if he's developed with patience and time.

Just my opinion...

 
nittanylion said:
Barring injury, I'd wager that this outcome is about as likely as it isn't. I'm not saying Cousins will develop into any kind of world-beater, but I think he has the potential to be a competent NFL QB if he's developed with patience and time.

Just my opinion...
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Cousins likely ends up with a productive career as an NFL backup. I could see him following the Jason Campbell career path, to name another QB ruined by Redskins mismanagement who sort of recovered.

 
I'm afraid Gruden and the coaching staff just isn't the right fit there. I'm pretty much avoiding all Redskins sans Alfred Morris. Jordan Reed is an intriguing late round flyer.

 
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Cousins has shown enough over his NFL career to give people comfort in assessing his potential with reasonable definiteness. He will be a good backup, never a reliable starter. Sure, he might end up with a one-year gig here or there in a situation like CLE or BUF this year, but this is meaningless from a dynasty standpoint. Unless you have ultra deep rosters and own RGIII, he has no place on your roster. It's also worth keeping in mind as you browse the posts that Cousins' popularity on these boards stems much more from the hating of RGIII than from Cousins' actual body of NFL work.

The Skins are absolutely correct to be finally throwing their lot behind RGIII. He is showing signs of progress. If the franchise can keep him on the right track and position him to succeed - both scheme-wise and mentally - he has a significant upside. No such thing with Cousins.

 
Some guys have it and some guys don't. He has not been the same since his bad string of injuries, and he just does not have it any more. Sadly, he is on the cusp of fading into career back up QB territory.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
Some guys have it and some guys don't. He has not been the same since his bad string of injuries, and he just does not have it any more. Sadly, he is on the cusp of fading into career back up QB territory.
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Yeah I buy this. Good for a "show me" contact at this point, but I'm just not sure he can even stay upright enough to do that.

 
ex-ghost said:
What was his injury?
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I'm going with "bruised ego."

Said he was having his shoulder checked and evaluated for a concussion, but I didn't see a head impact in the replay, and all that was evident was a large defender diving onto his back while he lay on the football.

 
Wow, does RG3 look terrible. I know most people think the line is the cause of it all but I disagree. Some does have to do with it but from what I saw a lot of it was on RG3. Seemed like he just stayed there too long. Needed to get rid of the ball or move outside the pocket. I'm sure most won't agree with me but he just is not good after he got injured.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Wow, does RG3 look terrible. I know most people think the line is the cause of it all but I disagree. Some does have to do with it but from what I saw a lot of it was on RG3. Seemed like he just stayed there too long. Needed to get rid of the ball or move outside the pocket. I'm sure most won't agree with me but he just is not good after he got injured.
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I have always thought that. He needs to read blitzes better. Become better before the snap and in the pocket.

 
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III has been diagnosed with a concussion.

Joe Theismann "reported" Griffin was medically cleared on the sideline, but that turned out to be an erroneous report. RG3 was evaluated in the locker room and formally diagnosed with a concussion. His shoulder stinger did check out fine. Coach Jay Gruden stated late Thursday that he has "no idea" on a return timetable for Griffin, but did say "I'd imagine" RG3 will remain the Redskins' starter when healthy. Griffin is likely to miss Washington's third preseason game. In all likelihood, he'll be cleared ahead of Week 1.

Source: Britt McHenry on Twitter

Aug 20 - 10:33 PM
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