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A lot of smoke around Allegri to Arsenal this summer.  Rumors that he is leaving Juve, and he has stated he will neither confirm nor deny that he is talking to Arsenal.

 
A lot of smoke around Allegri to Arsenal this summer.  Rumors that he is leaving Juve, and he has stated he will neither confirm nor deny that he is talking to Arsenal.
To add further fuel, Napoli's coach Mauro Sarri recently had an "exploratory meeting" with Juve.

 
Tuchel rumors also appear to be swirling around.   I'd like Allegri, but I don't really see how Arsenal is a step up from Juve.
Thats a fascinating choice for Arsenal,  Allegri strikes me as more of a Conte-style appointment - win now mentality.  While Tuchel is more of a Pochettino-style appointment - build for the long-term (while still competing now).

Tuchel had been my 1st choice for Spurs before they signed Pochettino.  I liked what he had done at Mainz, and continues to do at Dortmund in terms of getting young players involved and playing an exciting brand of soccer.  Rough year so far at Dortmund though, and lets face it, former Dortmund managers are really no better than Brendon Rodgers...who wants the next Brendan Rodgers? :shrug:

 
Rangers: Mark Warburton resigns as manager

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Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug  2m2 minutes ago




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Mark Warburton says he's unaware of #Rangers statement regarding his resignation. Says he hasn't resigned. Bizarre
Mark Warburton says he has not stood down as Rangers manager, despite the club saying that they have accepted the resignation of him and his staff.

Rangers announced on Twitter that Warburton, assistant David Weir and head of recruitment, Frank McParland were leaving the club.

It linked to a website statement saying that Rangers had accepted their notices of termination.

But Warburton told BBC Scotland he was unaware of the statement.

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Bayern opened up a 7 point lead in the table with a 2-0 away win against Ingolstadt.

Leipzig, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Hoffenheim and Berlin, 2 through 6 in the table, ALL lost this weekend.  Lost big, a combined 2-12 in score.

 
Joel Robles has been great for Everton. Fairly new to soccer but going into season I was fine with him and another modest priced goalie(they signed stekelenberg who has been good) The talk from Everton fans, people who know much more about the game than me is they wanted to spend the money to sign a guy like Joe Hart, this seemed like a waste of resources to me for me as their goal differential would be improved more by upgrading the rest of the team.I would only want to go big dollars on a goalie if I had a great team competing for a title, or I was in risk of relegation. Being a hockey fan I related this to how the league used to overspend on it's goalies while the red wings won cups with little money spent on the goalie, and that is a sport with much more scoring chances and many saves aren't routine that any goalie would always make.

My question is, do clubs overspend on goalies? Or is this just fan talk? General thoughts on the subject.

*by goalie I mean goalkeeper 

 
My question is, do clubs overspend on goalies? Or is this just fan talk? General thoughts on the subject.

*by goalie I mean goalkeeper 
I don't think there's much overspending on goalkeepers, although every summer there's going to be a few rumors (deGea, Courtois) and maybe this year one of them will come to pass.  Just looking at Transfermarkt, the most ever spent on a GK is still Juve buying Buffon for 45mil pounds in 2001. Bayern Munich paid £25mil for Neuer and United paid £21mil for deGea - both in 2011. Those all look like pretty good deals today.  City might have overpaid a bit for Bravo last summer, but that's pure hindsight and there's probably a good counterargument. I'm not sure how much difference a "great" keeper makes over a middle of the road guy - probably a few goals a year, less than 5 is my guess.

 
So I mentioned the U13 indoor team I'm coaching on Sundays; it gets crazier every week.  I'm just about out of my realm of experience here, but damn is it fun. Luckily the boys are all coming from good coaching.  Long winded post, but wanted to share...

We have a mix of U12 and U13 travel boys from both A and B teams.  Half the team is my 10yr old son's U12 B team with the rest being A squad boys....and then my 8yr old son (he started out as a reserve when we were short handed and is now hooked 

:lol:  ). This league is technically a rec league, but the talent is excellent (a few boys straight from the Philly Union academy).


We are 1-1-2, sitting 4th of 8. Every team we've played so far plays way more physical than any of our boys were used to. They've adjusted quickly, but still get caught playing soft at times. 

Today's match was against a team that was so intense I am still shaking my head.  The ref lost control of the game early on and never recovered. It got dangerous with so many fouls and slide tackles being inconsistently enforced that I held my younger son out at the end.  We ended up tied 3-3 with a controversial no-goal call that had the opposing coach out of his mind. 

After the final whistle, the coach sprinted onto the field - snatched the ball from the ref - sprinted to the goal to show the ref where he felt it crossed the line.... all while screaming "SCORE IS 4-3". The ref red carded him 3x :lol:  before things finally settled down.  I thought the coach was going to deck him....Friggin nuts - this stuff must be their life.  

I now understand why my son's coach wanted them to experience it.  The stands are always overflowing to standing room only.  The cheering and passion is so damn cool.   All the boys have fallen in love with the competitiveness of it all.  I wish I had something like this when I played :kicksrock:  
 
So I mentioned the U13 indoor team I'm coaching on Sundays; it gets crazier every week.  I'm just about out of my realm of experience here, but damn is it fun. Luckily the boys are all coming from good coaching.  Long winded post, but wanted to share...

We have a mix of U12 and U13 travel boys from both A and B teams.  Half the team is my 10yr old son's U12 B team with the rest being A squad boys....and then my 8yr old son (he started out as a reserve when we were short handed and is now hooked 

:lol:  ). This league is technically a rec league, but the talent is excellent (a few boys straight from the Philly Union academy).

We are 1-1-2, sitting 4th of 8. Every team we've played so far plays way more physical than any of our boys were used to. They've adjusted quickly, but still get caught playing soft at times. 

Today's match was against a team that was so intense I am still shaking my head.  The ref lost control of the game early on and never recovered. It got dangerous with so many fouls and slide tackles being inconsistently enforced that I held my younger son out at the end.  We ended up tied 3-3 with a controversial no-goal call that had the opposing coach out of his mind. 

After the final whistle, the coach sprinted onto the field - snatched the ball from the ref - sprinted to the goal to show the ref where he felt it crossed the line.... all while screaming "SCORE IS 4-3". The ref red carded him 3x :lol:  before things finally settled down.  I thought the coach was going to deck him....Friggin nuts - this stuff must be their life.  

I now understand why my son's coach wanted them to experience it.  The stands are always overflowing to standing room only.  The cheering and passion is so damn cool.   All the boys have fallen in love with the competitiveness of it all.  I wish I had something like this when I played :kicksrock:  
tl;dr:

Our boy Ned got 3x tarjeta rojas hoy, and has severe anger management problems.

 
I don't think there's much overspending on goalkeepers, although every summer there's going to be a few rumors (deGea, Courtois) and maybe this year one of them will come to pass.  Just looking at Transfermarkt, the most ever spent on a GK is still Juve buying Buffon for 45mil pounds in 2001. Bayern Munich paid £25mil for Neuer and United paid £21mil for deGea - both in 2011. Those all look like pretty good deals today.  City might have overpaid a bit for Bravo last summer, but that's pure hindsight and there's probably a good counterargument. I'm not sure how much difference a "great" keeper makes over a middle of the road guy - probably a few goals a year, less than 5 is my guess.
The one thing that I'd add is that the keepers who are worth it effect the game in ways that might not be evident to you just from the saves they make.  The very best keepers don't just stop chances, they limit chances.  Either by organizing the defense, or commanding their area on crosses, or by playing as the keeper sweeper like Neuer. 

I think any GK for Everton would probably have benefitted from:  1) Koeman coaching instead of Martinez; and 2) Ashley Williams instead of John Stones in central defense. 

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
At least his teammates had more common sense:

"I was just being clever," Veltman told Metro.

"Bertrand went down and I thought to myself 'I am going to use this to my advantage'. I pretended to kick the ball out of play, but when my opponent looked behind him, I just went past him instead.

"I know that it was perhaps not the most beautiful thing to do, but it was just something clever, nothing more. I can have a good laugh about it.

"My team-mates told me in the dressing room that they would have kicked me hard had I pulled off something like this against one of them... What would I have done had my cross resulted in a goal? A goal is a goal!

 
I don't understand what Pep is doing with Aguero.  Unless it's just being petty, there is no reason not to have Aguero and Jesus in the same lineup all the time.

 

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