5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
You replied while I was editing to add that I half expected that the Hummel TheifTM was going to wind up being Kuby.
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bagger
Footballguy
I didn’t put it together that it was the same actor as in Billions before seeing him now.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
comfortably numb
Footballguy
What do we make of Kim's daydreaming sequence at Mesa Verde and why did she go to the courthouse?
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IMAX 3D
Footballguy
I was wondering if she didnt realize they would be growing that big, maybe realizes she isn’t cut out to handle something like that?
Bossman
Footballguy
... I remember Jimmy admit that to Chuck when Chuck pretended he was off the deep end, lining his room with foil. Chuck recorded his confession.
Jimmy plead guilty to that? ... or did Jimmy just say that he made up the story so Chuck wouldn't feel so bad?
Jaysus
Good times!
he would have been disbarred for that - he pulled a long-con to make Chuck look crazy, and claimed he only admitted to that to make Chuck feel better. The 1 year suspension was for breaking into Chucks house and destroying his property (the tape)... he was actually arrested for, and eventually confessed to that crime.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Those were some really cool models.comfortably numb said:
Major
Footballguy
Googled our good friend Sepinwall to see what God had to say about the episode and letter:
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-recap-season-4-episode-3-something-beautiful-710334/
It’s an exciting minor triumph for Jimmy – at least, for this version of Jimmy who no longer worries about staying on the straight and narrow to win his older brother’s approval. In a poignant twist, it’s followed by Kim finally giving him the letter from Chuck. It’s not the imperious rebuke she might have feared(*), but in some ways, it’s worse: a letter clearly written during Jimmy’s days in the HHM mailroom, before his law career turned him back into a threat that Chuck felt the need to eradicate. It is, from what we know about the McGill siblings, one of the few times in their lives when they were getting along. But those good feelings were based on a very specific set of circumstances, particularly Chuck’s need to feel superior to his troublemaking kid brother. Jimmy thriving in the mail room was a perfect outcome for Chuck, but an unsatisfying one for Jimmy, and his desire for more than that led to the unraveling of their relationship, and of Chuck’s life.
(*) After I had watched it, a critic pal raised the question of whether we’re actually hearing Chuck’s letter, as opposed to something Kim forged (not hugely likely, even given her protectiveness towards Jimmy) or something Jimmy begins improvising when he realizes how cruel the actual letter is, and how much it would hurt Kim to hear it. The scene doesn’t really tip its hand, and it’s entirely possible it’s fake. But I think it’s emotionally more interesting if it’s the genuine article, and that the deterioration of Chuck’s mental health, and his relationship with Jimmy, kept him from getting around to updating it.
It’s no wonder that Kim is crying by the end of the letter. That Jimmy seems utterly unmoved by it speaks to how swiftly he’s come to compartmentalize all feelings about his brother, and to a degree about the life he was trying to build to impress Chuck. He hasn’t exactly been a Boy Scout across the series to date, but orchestrating a break-in and theft is a line he wouldn’t have crossed a season or two ago. Chuck’s gone, though. In the season premiere, Jimmy briefly felt some guilt about his role in that, then extinguished those feelings altogether in order to function. But if Jimmy was being good at first to please Chuck, and then Kim, in time we saw that he mostly liked doing it. At times, particularly with his eldercare clients, being good made him feel fantastic.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-recap-season-4-episode-3-something-beautiful-710334/
It’s an exciting minor triumph for Jimmy – at least, for this version of Jimmy who no longer worries about staying on the straight and narrow to win his older brother’s approval. In a poignant twist, it’s followed by Kim finally giving him the letter from Chuck. It’s not the imperious rebuke she might have feared(*), but in some ways, it’s worse: a letter clearly written during Jimmy’s days in the HHM mailroom, before his law career turned him back into a threat that Chuck felt the need to eradicate. It is, from what we know about the McGill siblings, one of the few times in their lives when they were getting along. But those good feelings were based on a very specific set of circumstances, particularly Chuck’s need to feel superior to his troublemaking kid brother. Jimmy thriving in the mail room was a perfect outcome for Chuck, but an unsatisfying one for Jimmy, and his desire for more than that led to the unraveling of their relationship, and of Chuck’s life.
(*) After I had watched it, a critic pal raised the question of whether we’re actually hearing Chuck’s letter, as opposed to something Kim forged (not hugely likely, even given her protectiveness towards Jimmy) or something Jimmy begins improvising when he realizes how cruel the actual letter is, and how much it would hurt Kim to hear it. The scene doesn’t really tip its hand, and it’s entirely possible it’s fake. But I think it’s emotionally more interesting if it’s the genuine article, and that the deterioration of Chuck’s mental health, and his relationship with Jimmy, kept him from getting around to updating it.
It’s no wonder that Kim is crying by the end of the letter. That Jimmy seems utterly unmoved by it speaks to how swiftly he’s come to compartmentalize all feelings about his brother, and to a degree about the life he was trying to build to impress Chuck. He hasn’t exactly been a Boy Scout across the series to date, but orchestrating a break-in and theft is a line he wouldn’t have crossed a season or two ago. Chuck’s gone, though. In the season premiere, Jimmy briefly felt some guilt about his role in that, then extinguished those feelings altogether in order to function. But if Jimmy was being good at first to please Chuck, and then Kim, in time we saw that he mostly liked doing it. At times, particularly with his eldercare clients, being good made him feel fantastic.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Chuck was such a jerk to Jimmy that I don't blame him for being unimpressed with the letter. Chuck let Jimmy know in no uncertain terms how he felt about him. That letter was either written in the time when Jimmy was a clerk in the mailroom or it was forged.
Either way I can understand exactly the lack of emotion on Jimmy's part. The letter was a load of BS and frankly I am surprised it upset Kim to the extent that it did.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Glad somebody remembers.Jaysus said:
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
As a former Burquer i can confirm there's a pizza joint in the SE part of town - i think it's called Venezia's - that sold their pizza unsliced. It was referred to by the crackhead partymonsters @ Jesse's in BB.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
The letter was pretty clear that it was written when Jimmy was just a mail room clerk, which is why he didn't threaten Chuck and it didn't move Jimmy. It was condescending and self righteous.
She nearly died with one merger, imagine a huge expansion. That said, she relinquished some control by having the paralegal write the legal document and she even noticed something she wanted to change but only asked her to make a minor change.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I thought it was pretty clear that the letter was written well before Chuck’s ailment and while Jimmy was working in the mailroom still and trying to get his life together.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
JaxBill
Footballguy
The courthouse was practical matter probably with the bank wanting to go national. She mentioned to the paralegal later that they needed to research the national regs.
The daydreaming was probably her knowing that none of this would be possible without Jimmy. At the same time she's worried Jimmy is slippin again and she'll need to choose.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I'm leaning towards Kim writing a new letter because I don't think they'd have her blow up at Howard about the letter in a previous episode and basically say she wasn't going to give him the letter......but I'm also leaning towards the idea that Kims reaction to the heartfelt letter that showed that Jimmy was on the right path, was a result of her realizing he's not that guy anymore and that he's getting worse.
Thorn
Footballguy
Not my favorite episode. So we know the context of the letter now, not sure how we were expected to come to that conclusion as evidence by everyone thinking the letter was swapped out. Also think the last paragraph is weak. Jimmy got convicted of breaking and entering last season. Kim crying just because of the letter is weak sauce and the whole mesa verde thing doesn't make much sense. They better have a much bigger plan for Kim's demise than just not liking the new Saul.
Major
Footballguy
That makes sense as well. My thinking was if Chuck was so meticulous in screwing Jimmy out of the inheritance (I'm assuming this happened after Jimmy's rise from the mailroom) that the letter would also be updated.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
every now and then on the gilligan show threads i go on all ooeygooey psychobabble & it looks like now's the time. slippin jimmy's on moral shutdown, something we all do subconsciously, women better than men, to deal with grief and hurt. the hummel caper is the stamp on the letter of resignation from the human race he is trying to send himself
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
If people are wondering if there is a connection between the guy who Jimmy used to steal the hummel and Breaking Bad, there is.
The character on Better Call Saul that Jimmy used to steal the Hummel is named Ira. In Breaking Bad, Ira owns and manages Vamanos Pest, the company that puts the big tents up around a house when they fumigate. Ira sells this business to Mike, Walter and Jesse so that they can use it to cover up that they are making meth.
The character on Better Call Saul that Jimmy used to steal the Hummel is named Ira. In Breaking Bad, Ira owns and manages Vamanos Pest, the company that puts the big tents up around a house when they fumigate. Ira sells this business to Mike, Walter and Jesse so that they can use it to cover up that they are making meth.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Thanks. Didn't know that.NewlyRetired said:
It's already shown on the east coast? Why does it take an hour longer be for its up in the streams.
Zow
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
From reddit...
The woman mike meets at the diner, Anita, works at the same bank that Mike used in BB to pay off his 10 guys in jail for the murder montage scene
The woman mike meets at the diner, Anita, works at the same bank that Mike used in BB to pay off his 10 guys in jail for the murder montage scene
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Someone mentioned it before but it’s amazing the drama they are able to build even though we know the ultimate outcome of a lot of situations. Last night with the twins gun fight and the end with Mike and Gus. Just spectacular.
shadyridr
Footballguy
OK but she was in prior episodes of Saul. She was the wife of the good Samaritan truck driver that was killed by the Saltalamacchia crew. I don't see any credits for her in BB.
shadyridr
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Correct.
I don't think she was in BB at all just that she currently works at the same bank Mike used in BB.
Maybe closing a BB loop?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Tamara Tunie's a great actress and an excellent foil for Mike. Yeah, no BB connection - met him in grief group & helped him building playground last season.
Very existential season so far.
Though we don't think he should be, Slippin' Jimmy is free. Much as he admired his brother, Chuck was a burden. The existential quandary for those around him is they think it has to be the exact opposite way or he's a sociopath. He ain't. He just dont care about the fuss other people make, which is why he's so good at making sumn for himself out of it.
As for Flippin' Kimmy, i beat Freud a long time ago by figuring out in two words what women want - intimacy & consequence. They want from those they care for whatever they otherwise cannot give and they want everything they do to matter in a tactile manner, in even the sublemost, tiniest way. Hence, the position of all knikcknacks. Jimmy's good-hearted, but he don't care at a time Kimmy needs him most to care because she feels guilt over her part in Chuck demise. And the law she's presently practicing just doesnt matter, as well as being fruit from a poisonous tree (being re-stolen from HHM). She needs to feel the gossamer exigencies of consequence, justice being done.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
We're supposed to presume that Nacho is Mike's "job", right?
And last nite's ep once again proved that there can NEVER be enough Mike.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
The guy "Jimmy" also plays a lawyer in "Breaking Bad".
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I guess it's possible but I assumed this was Gus "hiring" Mike to coordinate the meth business, not to take out Nacho. He could have done that at any time with the guys he's got. He sees how meticulous and smart Mike is and realize he'll be a great asset to him budding empire.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I dunno - meticulous & smart is good, but loyal is #1 in that world and offin' a frenemy is a great way - not to mention the math of the BBworld we're fast approaching being Mike si, Nacho no - to prove that.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Given it is Gus, it is probably something else entirely. Perhaps even a (unsuccessful) move against his own organization to throw the scent off with the cartel. He's got what he wants in terms of taking that other family out and likely getting there territory. Time to consolidate and absorb those gains.
Could also be setting Gale up in an operation
But I don't think it's running the business or taking out Nacho.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
In the BB episode where Walt and Jesse first meet/kidnap Saul, Saul says something about "Ignacio". People have speculated he was talking about Nacho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul_(Breaking_Bad)
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