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Yep. Really curious how that's going to be explained. His brother has no problem working with him, but wants no part of him in his firm.Ok now his brother submarine saul is clear. Too bad, it's going to kill him.
Yep. Really curious how that's going to be explained. His brother has no problem working with him, but wants no part of him in his firm.Ok now his brother submarine saul is clear. Too bad, it's going to kill him.
Well, there it is. Chuck = a ******* and a half. He just pushed Jimmy into Saul Goodman.Yep. Really curious how that's going to be explained. His brother has no problem working with him, but wants no part of him in his firm.Ok now his brother submarine saul is clear. Too bad, it's going to kill him.
Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.Who is Trevor?
I think it's likely that his partners flat out said yes to him.You telling me his partners wouldn't find Sual a job working on parking tickets in the basement? We supposed to belive his partners flat out said no to him?
It's just that the question wasn't "Can we please hire my brother?" It was "Let's not hire my brother, but can you be the one to tell him?"
Among the many amazing aspects of the final scene of "Pimento" — as powerful in its own way as Mike's breakdown at the end of "Five-O" — is that it hit like a ton of bricks even though I had seen most of it coming. The episode doesn't really try to hide Chuck's role in screwing over Jimmy, first letting us see him making a clandestine call on Jimmy's cell phone(*), then making clear that something is up with Howard through his scene with Kim and her scene with Jimmy. And many of you were already speculating last week that it was Chuck, not Howard, who didn't want Jimmy working as an associate in the firm. (In hindsight, maybe Howard really is the good guy he keeps insisting he is?)(*) Chekhov's Mailbox pays off!
But even though it's not a total surprise, the venom of Chuck's explanation is still shocking, and Jimmy's reaction is no less painful. In his introduction to "Breaking Bad," Saul compares himself to Tom Hagen, but here he is somehow Fredo Corleone taking the moral high ground with Michael.
And here's the thing: both brothers are right in a way, even if the end result is very wrong. We understand exactly why Chuck is afraid of Slippin' Jimmy with a law degree, because we've seen in "Breaking Bad" exactly what can happen when Jimmy gives in to that hustler side of himself within the legal arena. But at the same time, "Better Call Saul" season 1 has offered ample evidence that at this stage of his life, Jimmy McGill is sincere in his desire to do things the right way, both to impress his brother and because it's the right thing to do. But we can add his own brother to the list of people in this world who have no interest in a good version of Jimmy McGill. The irony is, Chuck's fear of Slippin' Jimmy is what is likely to inspire the creation of Saul Goodman. Had he not placed that call to Howard, Jimmy might have spent a long, fruitful and honest career as a civil attorney. But whether it happens next week, or in some later season, we know Saul Goodman is coming, and we have now have a pretty good idea of what motivated his creation. If even Jimmy's brother — whom he has protected and cared for throughout his prolonged illness, and even come up with a way for Chuck to go back out into the world again — can't trust him enough to be good, then who can? And what's the point of trying?
In that respect, what happens here neatly sidesteps the question of how Jimmy's life changes whenever he gets his cut of the class action, even if it winds up being worth millions. Not only could a settlement be years away (even past the events of "Breaking Bad"), but this incident could so sour him to doing things the right way that the money he gets from this case is beside the point. He's going to become Saul Goodman no matter how much cash he has in the bank, just to live down to every cruel thing Chuck tells him in that final scene.
The Mike subplot, meanwhile, offers us a delightful glimpse of Mike Ehrmantraut at his most confident and unflappable — I laughed long and hard at the giant man running away from Mike after seeing what he did to the mustachioed gunslinger — and has him cross paths with a clearly impressed Nacho. But given what happens in the rest of the episode — and what this series as a whole is about — perhaps the most important part of it is the conversation he has at the end with the would-be drug dealer who hires him for protection.
When "Pryce" objects to the notion that he's a bad guy, Mike points out, "I didn't say you were a bad guy. I said you were a criminal."
"What's the difference?" Pryce replies.
That, my friends, seems to be the big question of this series. Mike was once a good guy who, by taking bribes and kickbacks, was also a criminal. Jimmy's a former criminal trying not to be a bad guy, even though no one seems to believe him. Eventually, both of these men are going to become very serious criminals indeed; but will they become bad guys at the same time?
Some other thoughts:
* This one was written and directed by Tom Schnauz, longtime "Breaking Bad" writer and old friend of Vince Gilligan's (they worked together on "X-Files" and "Lone Gunmen") who also wrote "Nacho" earlier this season. He's the one who gave Gilligan the idea for "Breaking Bad" in the first place when he told him about a news story involving a man who cooked meth in an RV.
* Mike points out that Nacho's real first name is Ignacio, which is the name a fearful Saul Goodman throws out when he's in danger in his very first "Breaking Bad" appearance. Hmm...
* How soon before some men's clothing store starts selling As Seen On TV suits with a space blanket lining for their more, um, eccentric customers?
* Also, I like that they dressed Mike's boss for the day very much like Walter White. Whether this particular business relationship continues or not, it's not hard to imagine Mike having a picture of "Pryce" in his head during his early encounters with Walt, thus driving him to underestimate this seeming fellow nebbish.
* I will say that even though the secret phone call was clearly dodgy, I still got a little choked up at the image of every lawyer at HHM coming out to give Chuck a standing ovation on his return to the office. Howard is an ### in many ways, but that was a nice gesture.
* This week's title sequence: a Saul matchbook in a urinal.
How about calling him by the character's name in the show so we don't have to waste time trying to figure out who you are writing about. It is a novel idea, sure. But worth the effort.Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.Who is Trevor?
she kinda looks like the little pig on her deskGood details in this show, you say? Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.
Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.WatGood details in this show, you say? Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.
Oh, good catch.Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.WatGood details in this show, you say? Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.
Don't be jealous that my catches are better than yours.Oh, good catch.Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.WatGood details in this show, you say? Rotund court stenographer nurses a Big Gulp.
I mean "wat?"
Could be diet soda or iced tea, Spurlock.What's not to get? A plump woman is drinking a gigantic tub of sugar. Not to mention that food and drink is generally not permitted in courtrooms.
Local rules. Some courts take zero issue with staff or attorneys taking in outside drinks.What's not to get? A plump woman is drinking a gigantic tub of sugar. Not to mention that food and drink is generally not permitted in courtrooms.
Superb.Local rules. Some courts take zero issue with staff or attorneys taking in outside drinks.What's not to get? A plump woman is drinking a gigantic tub of sugar. Not to mention that food and drink is generally not permitted in courtrooms.
How did YOU not see that coming? HeyoooooooI'm guessing we all saw it coming with chuck, at least by the phone scene, but holy crap I didn't see the brute, biting claim that jimmy isn't a real lawyer coming. Awesome tv.
Better Call Wright & Miller.They're cutting a lot of civ-pro corners. We don't know that Jimmy is representing all the seniors in that one nursing home. And there are twelve nursing homes, making it unlikely that there'd be a settlement involving only one (assuming all twelve were overcharging). It seems like both Jimmy & Chuck and the nursing home are treating this as a potential class action case, but you can't settle a potential class action case without doing a lot of civil procedure stuff first -- notice and opt-out procedures and whatnot. That should really be the focus of this show if it wants to be realistic. Civil procedure. Lots and lots of civil procedure.The scenario here in BB really isn't super-realistic, or, at least for me, remotely close to anything I've seen. It's not uncommon for lawyers to become "of counsel" to another lawyer's firm's case -- but with that there's always some well-defined fee agreement. It's also not uncommon for one lawyer to help out another lawyer from a different firm on an issue, but that's done with the idea that there's simply some generosity in the profession.
What is happening in Saul is a total blurring of these ideas. Normally, if Chuck were to just help Jimmy behind the scenes*, it'd just be Jimmy's case and no issues. IMO using HHM's resources doesn't necessarily change that, but may entitle HHM to recovery of its costs (i.e. Jimmy paying for the paper and Kim's time).
I couldn't see b/c your face was in the way.How did YOU not see that coming? HeyoooooooI'm guessing we all saw it coming with chuck, at
least by the phone scene, but holy crap I didn't
see the brute, biting claim that jimmy isn't a real lawyer coming. Awesome tv.
Yeah but he wasn't drinking a Big Gulp.Mr krista and I have marveled for a few weeks over how great an actor Bob Odenkirk has turned out to be, but tonight was a tour de force by Michael McKean(sp?) as well. He has the much harder role in part because he can't express an abundance of evident emotion and has a character for whom empathy can't be generated. Tonight he expressed so much through his eyes, eyebrows, and even the furrows and creases in his face that it was incredible. Phenomenal acting by both of them.
Probably would get an Emmy were it not for that omission.YEach but he wasn't drinking a Big Gulp.Mr krista and I have marveled for a few weeks over how great an actor Bob Odenkirk has turned out to be, but tonight was a tour de force by Michael McKean(sp?) as well. He has the much harder role in part because he can't express an abundance of evident emotion and has a character for whom empathy can't be generated. Tonight he expressed so much through his eyes, eyebrows, and even the furrows and creases in his face that it was incredible. Phenomenal acting by both of them.
Pretty sure it is just another contribution to the thread shtick.I still don't get it.
Because if you knew who Trevor was from GTA V, you'd spot him immediately as the idiot bodyguard. And if you didn't play GTA V, you wouldn't give a crap and you ain't worth my effort.Fariq said:How about calling him by the character's name in the show so we don't have to waste time trying to figure out who you are writing about. It is a novel idea, sure. But worth the effort.flysack said:Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.elbowrm said:Who is Trevor?
There really should be an Emmy for Best Furrows and Creases in a Dramatic Series.krista4 said:Probably would get an Emmy were it not for that omission.Officer Pete Malloy said:YEach but he wasn't drinking a Big Gulp.krista4 said:Mr krista and I have marveled for a few weeks over how great an actor Bob Odenkirk has turned out to be, but tonight was a tour de force by Michael McKean(sp?) as well. He has the much harder role in part because he can't express an abundance of evident emotion and has a character for whom empathy can't be generated. Tonight he expressed so much through his eyes, eyebrows, and even the furrows and creases in his face that it was incredible. Phenomenal acting by both of them.
Some people love fountain drank.chauncey said:Pretty sure it is just another contribution to the thread shtick.Frostillicus said:I still don't get it.
Most fatties in NM drink their 44oz of sugar water in a Sonic cup btw. It blows my mind that people make a trip to a drive thru for a soda. I guess having to get out of your vehicle and walk 37 feet round trip is too much work.
Oh, good Idea.Fariq said:How about calling him by the character's name in the show so we don't have to waste time trying to figure out who you are writing about. It is a novel idea, sure. But worth the effort.flysack said:Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.elbowrm said:Who is Trevor?
That's the problem...he was given a name here...ya know, "Trevor". The OP should have had GTA in it all along to avoid the obvious confusion it was going to generate. But then again, half the posts in here are posted purposely to cause confusion.Oh, good Idea.Fariq said:How about calling him by the character's name in the show so we don't have to waste time trying to figure out who you are writing about. It is a novel idea, sure. But worth the effort.flysack said:Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.elbowrm said:Who is Trevor?
Why don't you tell me what his name is? You know, since they didn't give him one.
To be fair, anyone who played GTA V likely would recognize him, since the voice actor also did the motion capture and they made the characters look like the actors.That's the problem...he was given a name here...ya know, "Trevor". The OP should have had GTA in it all along to avoid the obvious confusion it was going to generate. But then again, half the posts in here are posted purposely to cause confusion.Oh, good Idea.Fariq said:How about calling him by the character's name in the show so we don't have to waste time trying to figure out who you are writing about. It is a novel idea, sure. But worth the effort.flysack said:Trevor Phillips from GTA V. Yes, it's a video game, but he's one of the most memorable video game characters ever.elbowrm said:Who is Trevor?
Why don't you tell me what his name is? You know, since they didn't give him one.
I think he wasn't working with him as much as he was looking out for his clients because he didn't trust him. Slippin' Jimmy!flysack said:Yep. Really curious how that's going to be explained. His brother has no problem working with him, but wants no part of him in his firm.The Ref said:Ok now his brother submarine saul is clear. Too bad, it's going to kill him.