***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I'm just pissed that I don't have nearly as much sex as the lawyers on The Good Wife.

A realistic show about a lawyer would be horribly boring. So, yeah, it's funny when Jack McCoy, with his 30 years of prosecutorial experience looks shocked every time he sees a motion to exclude, its silly to huffy about it.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

why do these threads always devolve into people making horrible predictions about what is going to happen next/soon?

sharkpool down???

I started a thread in the Shark Pool:"We Discuss Better Call Saul Here So We Don't Have To Go To the FFA"

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=724642#entry17772610

 

[Zow]

I'm just pissed that I don't have nearly as much sex as the lawyers on The Good Wife.

A realistic show about a lawyer would be horribly boring. So, yeah, it's funny when Jack McCoy, with his 30 years of prosecutorial experience looks shocked every time he sees a motion to exclude, its silly to huffy about it.

True, but there's a difference between a realistic lawyer and just abiding by some semblance of the rules of evidence.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Woz, as usual, is correct.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I will say upfront I have not gotten all the way through BB yet. I was moving at a pretty good clip--(season 4 maybe??), but then the wife convinced me to go back and start over and watch it with her. Well, she is one of those people that if we can get one maybe two episodes in a week, we are doing really well. So at this pace it will be mid-2016 before we finish it.

That being said, watching the first two episodes and reading this tread, it really seems like this show is depending on fans of BB to carry it. I mean, I know everyone wants to be in on the bottom floor of the next "big" series, but it seems like the show is relying on "Hey, I know that guy" moments. It just hasn't drawn me in yet--maybe because I haven't finished BB, maybe another law show is just such plowed ground. I will give it a few more weeks, but other than a couple scenes (the courtroom and the desert) the show was kind of slow IMO.

Honestly, I was a little disappointed when Tuco appeared. I didn't want this to be a constant stream of BB callbacks (callforwards?). I'm hoping the shows grows more into its own without the BB.

 

[Peyton Marino]

I gotta admit, my lone skepticism after the first show is that I thought the show was going to mail it in on all realism of its courtroom scenes (i.e. Law and Order: SVU where all trial scenes are a complete bastardization of how actual trials go and how the rules of evidence are applied). Without getting into the nuts and bolts of it, basically Saul's closing in the necro case was clearly objectionable (a defense attorney absolutely cannot argue potential consequences or openly seek nullification). It was also completely stupid strategy because there's no way any attorney would completely ignore the fact that the boys had sex with a corpse (although the prosecutor's response of merely playing the video was awesome). So, I was a little worried that the show would totally screw up actual criminal courtroom reality.

However, that montage was ####### awesome and totally killed any worry I had. Any solo practitioner banking on a public defense contract to make ends meet can relate to every scene in that montage. From the crappy courthouse bought coffee to the walking in the halls plea negotiations to the "yeah you're going to say none of that and sentencing and just apologize", it was just great.

Isn't there a thread for your people?

Don't be afraid to turn your brain off for an hour when you watch BCS.

Defendant's father: I want you to bring up the fact that the cop testifying against has been divorced twice and is rumored to drink a lot.

Woz: The rules of evidence won't allow me to do that and I'd get in trouble. Plus that looks really petty.

Defendant's father: Can't you just ask it and quickly withdraw it when the prosecutor objects?

Woz:

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Of course I am anxiously awaiting the appearance of Ken Wins.

 

[Zow]

Woz, as usual, is correct.

n error occurredYou have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I gotta admit, my lone skepticism after the first show is that I thought the show was going to mail it in on all realism of its courtroom scenes (i.e. Law and Order: SVU where all trial scenes are a complete bastardization of how actual trials go and how the rules of evidence are applied). Without getting into the nuts and bolts of it, basically Saul's closing in the necro case was clearly objectionable (a defense attorney absolutely cannot argue potential consequences or openly seek nullification). It was also completely stupid strategy because there's no way any attorney would completely ignore the fact that the boys had sex with a corpse (although the prosecutor's response of merely playing the video was awesome). So, I was a little worried that the show would totally screw up actual criminal courtroom reality.

However, that montage was ####### awesome and totally killed any worry I had. Any solo practitioner banking on a public defense contract to make ends meet can relate to every scene in that montage. From the crappy courthouse bought coffee to the walking in the halls plea negotiations to the "yeah you're going to say none of that and sentencing and just apologize", it was just great.

Isn't there a thread for your people?

Don't be afraid to turn your brain off for an hour when you watch BCS.

I just have a sheer hatred for shows which portray this stuff really poorly.

I feel the the same way about The Office.

Spoiler

Actually, The Office is spot on accurate.

 

[identikit]

I see everything is getting Wozzed up in here.

At least Tim is trying to stay in one thread.

 

[TenTimes]

Read an interview with Gilligan and he sounded pretty maniacal about small details. Was in on every detail of Breaking Bad down to sound editing. Knowing that and watching that first episode it should be very cool for BB nerds to find all the little Easter eggs in each episode. Missed the Skinny Pete part.

Half the court room audience standing up and moving over to see the TV screen had me

 

[Psychopav]

That was a great episode.

I'm going to be a naysayer and say that it wasn't great. The two dorks were annoying as #### pleading with Tuco. And the entire dessert scene was just not that believable with Tuco knowing what he's really like.

This was a disappointment for me.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. I mean, take fried ice cream. It makes no sense at all. It's a frozen treat, for goodness sake! Who would even think to fry it in the first place?I'm all for suspending belief but give me a break.

 

[Jack White]

What was up with "Dreamy Woman" (aka Jamie Luner)? She was billed in the credits but the scene could have used anyone. Where's that going?

Sepinall review touched on that a bit. Said they probably edited the scene to take out dialogue that was originally filmed, or perhaps they have a bigger role for her coming up.

What was up with "Dreamy Woman" (aka Jamie Luner)? She was billed in the credits but the scene could have used anyone. Where's that going?

Sepinall review touched on that a bit. Said they probably edited the scene to take out dialogue that was originally filmed, or perhaps they have a bigger role for her coming up.

I hate to disagree with my man Sepinwall, but here was my take as i watched the scene:

Jimmy was so preoccupied with the bizarre near death events of his day that he could not focus on anything his date was saying.

 

[Jack White]

That was a great episode.

I'm going to be a naysayer and say that it wasn't great. The two dorks were annoying as #### pleading with Tuco. And the entire dessert scene was just not that believable with Tuco knowing what he's really like. This was a disappointment for me.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. I mean, take fried ice cream. It makes no sense at all. It's a frozen treat, for goodness sake! Who would even think to fry it in the first place?I'm all for suspending belief but give me a break.

If you guys expect your fictional TV shows to be 100% realistic, you're going to be disappointed early and often.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I mean, take fried ice cream. It makes no sense at all. It's a frozen treat, for goodness sake! Who would even think to fry it in the first place?

Bam!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What was up with "Dreamy Woman" (aka Jamie Luner)? She was billed in the credits but the scene could have used anyone. Where's that going?

Sepinall review touched on that a bit. Said they probably edited the scene to take out dialogue that was originally filmed, or perhaps they have a bigger role for her coming up.

What was up with "Dreamy Woman" (aka Jamie Luner)? She was billed in the credits but the scene could have used anyone. Where's that going?

Sepinall review touched on that a bit. Said they probably edited the scene to take out dialogue that was originally filmed, or perhaps they have a bigger role for her coming up.

I hate to disagree with my man Sepinwall, but here was my take as i watched the scene:Jimmy was so preoccupied with the bizarre near death events of his day that he could not focus on anything his date was saying.

How does that contradict his point that they wouldn't fly a name actress out for a non-speaking part? And put her in the credits?

 

[Psychopav]

I mean, take fried ice cream. It makes no sense at all. It's a frozen treat, for goodness sake! Who would even think to fry it in the first place?

Bam!

I stand corrected. Maybe I'll give this show a chance after all.Churros, though...don't get me started.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Who was the guy breaking breadsticks? Was that a warning?

that was the husband of the lady jessie was banging in episode 1 when walt was on the joy ride with hank

My first thought was that the breadstick breaking made Saul physically ill having just participated in a leg breaking x2 in the desert that afternoon. Completely missed the Jesse MILF husband angle, awesome catch.

This one. I tend to misread connections like this, but the constant breaking of breadsticks (must have been a profession breadstick cracker) was definitely tied to the snapping of the twins' legs.

some dizzying insight here.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Who was the guy breaking breadsticks? Was that a warning?

that was the husband of the lady jessie was banging in episode 1 when walt was on the joy ride with hank

My first thought was that the breadstick breaking made Saul physically ill having just participated in a leg breaking x2 in the desert that afternoon. Completely missed the Jesse MILF husband angle, awesome catch.

This one. I tend to misread connections like this, but the constant breaking of breadsticks (must have been a profession breadstick cracker) was definitely tied to the snapping of the twins' legs.

some dizzying insight here.

right?

 

[The General]

He snuck some cucumber water in episode 2.

 

[Psychopav]

He snuck some cucumber water in episode 2.

X

 

[Wingnut]

He snuck some cucumber water in episode 2.

No he didnt, he took an empty cup and poured liquor in it in his office.

 

[Sinrman]

Was kinda... eh, with the first episode.... until the end. OH MY!

 

[flysack]

He snuck some cucumber water in episode 2.

No he didnt, he took an empty cup and poured liquor in it in his office.

Like a real man, I might add.

 

[AAABatteries]

Never realized there was so much Tannerhate on this board

No, Im not new here

My schtick is pretending to hate Tanner schtick while secretly thinking it's great while even more secretly not understanding it half the time.

 

[AAABatteries]

But in the desert he says "They walked into MY house! They disrespected my abuelita! They called her biznatch!"So maybe he owns it but she lives there.

My wife LOL'd at that one. Hey, this show has to be good to get my wife to continue watching after not seeing BB and still enjoying it. She hates pretty much anything I like.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

But in the desert he says "They walked into MY house! They disrespected my abuelita! They called her biznatch!"

So maybe he owns it but she lives there.

My wife LOL'd at that one. Hey, this show has to be good to get my wife to continue watching after not seeing BB and still enjoying it. She hates pretty much anything I like.

Your wife sounds a lot like Tanner

 

[AAABatteries]

But in the desert he says "They walked into MY house! They disrespected my abuelita! They called her biznatch!"

So maybe he owns it but she lives there.

My wife LOL'd at that one. Hey, this show has to be good to get my wife to continue watching after not seeing BB and still enjoying it. She hates pretty much anything I like.

Your wife sounds a lot like Tanner

She knows that Dawn and Don don't rhyme (and says them appropriately) so I I think you are wrong.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

You guys are ruining this thread.

 

[Wingnut]

You guys are ruining this thread.

Final answer? "are ruining" implies its still in the process and not completely ruined yet.

 

[McGarnicle]

Best series premiere since....well, BB.

Loved it, 110% IN. Wish I could stay awake to watch the second one.

 

[Capella]

Pretty stoked about Woz checking in here weekly and letting us know if the show follows the New Mexico rules for civil procedure.

 

[No. 16]

I wonder if it'll get tiring watching Saul talk his way out of everything. Unlike Walt who's genius/planning is revealed several episodes down the line, Saul's talent is always front and center.

I guess that's why it looks like they're introducing Mike as early as next episode judging from the previews. They definitely need someone to balance and provide the mystery.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Relax!!!

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I gotta admit, my lone skepticism after the first show is that I thought the show was going to mail it in on all realism of its courtroom scenes (i.e. Law and Order: SVU where all trial scenes are a complete bastardization of how actual trials go and how the rules of evidence are applied). Without getting into the nuts and bolts of it, basically Saul's closing in the necro case was clearly objectionable (a defense attorney absolutely cannot argue potential consequences or openly seek nullification). It was also completely stupid strategy because there's no way any attorney would completely ignore the fact that the boys had sex with a corpse (although the prosecutor's response of merely playing the video was awesome). So, I was a little worried that the show would totally screw up actual criminal courtroom reality.

However, that montage was ####### awesome and totally killed any worry I had. Any solo practitioner banking on a public defense contract to make ends meet can relate to every scene in that montage. From the crappy courthouse bought coffee to the walking in the halls plea negotiations to the "yeah you're going to say none of that and sentencing and just apologize", it was just great.

Isn't there a thread for your people?

Don't be afraid to turn your brain off for an hour when you watch BCS.

Defendant's father: I want you to bring up the fact that the cop testifying against has been divorced twice and is rumored to drink a lot.

Woz: The rules of evidence won't allow me to do that and I'd get in trouble. Plus that looks really petty.

Defendant's father: Can't you just ask it and quickly withdraw it when the prosecutor objects?

Woz:

Yeah, why can't you ask the Officer if it's his drinking which caused his divorces, or his divorces which caused his drinking? Maybe follow up with: Is your miserably failed and drunk personal life why you try to compensate professionally by framing innocent persons, like my client who was on his way to join the Peace Corp to travel to ebola ridden places in Africa to dig wells for fresh water and to teach reading?

 

[Zow]

Pretty stoked about Woz checking in here weekly and letting us know if the show follows the New Mexico rules for civil procedure.

Civil? Really?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Another thread all about woz. We back in 2009?

 

[Capella]

Pretty stoked about Woz checking in here weekly and letting us know if the show follows the New Mexico rules for civil procedure.

Civil? Really?

You don't think Saul would pick up any civil action?

God dammit I don't want to have this conversation.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I guess that's why it looks like they're introducing Mike as early as next episode judging from the previews.

Mike's been in both episodes so far. He hasn't done much, but he's been introduced.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Saul hasn't met the guy telling him to get more stickers yet I guess.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Was it realistic when the coffee cup tipped over in the machine? I sure hope that happens sometimes.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Was it realistic when the coffee cup tipped over in the machine? I sure hope that happens sometimes.

I've had it happen, though I don't think I've seen one of those machines in 20 years.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Pretty stoked about Woz checking in here weekly and letting us know if the show follows the New Mexico rules for civil procedure.

Civil? Really?

You don't think Saul would pick up any civil action? God dammit I don't want to have this conversation.

"You're soaking in it."

- Madge

 

[No. 16]

I guess that's why it looks like they're introducing Mike as early as next episode judging from the previews.

Mike's been in both episodes so far. He hasn't done much, but he's been introduced.

I know Mike's been in both episodes, but like you said they haven't introduced us to the "real" Mike yet. Looks like it will change next week.

 

[bentley]

I gotta admit, my lone skepticism after the first show is that I thought the show was going to mail it in on all realism of its courtroom scenes (i.e. Law and Order: SVU where all trial scenes are a complete bastardization of how actual trials go and how the rules of evidence are applied). Without getting into the nuts and bolts of it, basically Saul's closing in the necro case was clearly objectionable (a defense attorney absolutely cannot argue potential consequences or openly seek nullification). It was also completely stupid strategy because there's no way any attorney would completely ignore the fact that the boys had sex with a corpse (although the prosecutor's response of merely playing the video was awesome). So, I was a little worried that the show would totally screw up actual criminal courtroom reality.

However, that montage was ####### awesome and totally killed any worry I had. Any solo practitioner banking on a public defense contract to make ends meet can relate to every scene in that montage. From the crappy courthouse bought coffee to the walking in the halls plea negotiations to the "yeah you're going to say none of that and sentencing and just apologize", it was just great.

Isn't there a thread for your people?

Don't be afraid to turn your brain off for an hour when you watch BCS.

I just have a sheer hatred for shows which portray this stuff really poorly. I have had similar exchanges to these:

Woz (to Defendant's family): So, procedurally speaking, the state will likely make an offer in the next week or two...

Defendant's wife: They will? When does he get to meet with the prosecutor and the cop who arrested him? He wants to tell them a few things and we want to be there.

Woz: That's a terrible idea and isn't going to happen.

Defendant's wife: But that's how they always do it on Law and Order. Those are his rights.

Woz: That's a TV show.

Defendant's wife:

Woz:

Defendant's father: I want you to bring up the fact that the cop testifying against has been divorced twice and is rumored to drink a lot.

Woz: The rules of evidence won't allow me to do that and I'd get in trouble. Plus that looks really petty.

Defendant's father: Can't you just ask it and quickly withdraw it when the prosecutor objects?

Woz:

Defendant's mother: I want you to tell the jury how going to jail will cause a huge inconvenience in my son's life and that he's not a bad guy and is really sorry.

Woz: I can't argue anything about his potential punishment. The rules won't allow it. Also, I'm not going to apologize for him because that's basically an admission that he committed the crime. Which is all the jury is going to be instructed that they have to decide. So I'd be the worse lawyer ever if I apologize on his behalf in closing.

Defendant's mother: But Saul did it and he's awesome!

Any time I see stuff on TV which promotes or plants these ridiculous notions in people's heads, I can't help but get perturbed.

Hey Woz, this is true for every single media portrayal of every profession in the history of the world. But, thanks again for reminding us how lawyers are special.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Man this thread went to dog#### in a hurry.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Man this thread went to dog#### in a hurry.

Record speed?

 

[flysack]

But in the desert he says "They walked into MY house! They disrespected my abuelita! They called her biznatch!"

So maybe he owns it but she lives there.

My wife LOL'd at that one. Hey, this show has to be good to get my wife to continue watching after not seeing BB and still enjoying it. She hates pretty much anything I like.

Your wife sounds a lot like Tanner

 

[flysack]

Man this thread went to dog#### in a hurry.

Record speed?

I like to think of it as evolution. The next great TV series thread will feature both Tanner shtick and Woz inanity on page 1.

 

[AAABatteries]

Have the writers said how long they plan to have the show run? Just curious how much, if any, of the BB timeline and this one will overlap. They obviously have an ending to his pre-Cinnabon days but since we've already seen that I wonder if they plan to take the timeline that far or wrap it up sooner.