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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (4 Viewers)

Great episode. 

Although Kim's ethics are a little funny. 

Theft by swindle of the stockbroker? Fun times; let's go bone!

Lying to the police with a bull#### story? Nice lawyering!

Creating some evidence to backup said lie? Oh my gosh you unethical monster!

 
Zow said:
Great episode. 

Although Kim's ethics are a little funny. 

Theft by swindle of the stockbroker? Fun times; let's go bone!

Lying to the police with a bull#### story? Nice lawyering!

Creating some evidence to backup said lie? Oh my gosh you unethical monster!
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Perhaps Jimmy set the guy on a new life course.  He found a way for the guy to replace the lost income stream from his now interrupted pharmaceutical sales.

BTW, how does Jimmy find time to go from filming the cobbler squat that very evening, to the cops to allow them to view the video, and still get to Kim with the unused cream pie still fresh?  And why, why would he feel the need to buttress his story?  What could be gained by participating in the filming and sharing it with the cops?  They had their explanation, they were out of leads, they had no cause to continue an investigation.  They had suspicions, but no leads, and with the sales to Nacho shut down there would be no new leads to follow, and really no danger if the choose to observe Cobbler Squatter for a few days before they got bored since Cobbler Squatter was out of business, thanks to Mike. 

 
Zow said:
Great episode. 

Although Kim's ethics are a little funny. 

Theft by swindle of the stockbroker? Fun times; let's go bone!

Lying to the police with a bull#### story? Nice lawyering!

Creating some evidence to backup said lie? Oh my gosh you unethical monster!
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Theft by swindle?  In a bar?  The guy bought them drinks.  Jimmy even grabbed the check and offered to pay?  If puffery of stories in a bar when a guy is hitting on a chick are actionable, well we may need to double the Court's capacity around the country. True, Ken Wins was also hoping to market clients who had puffed their financial position, but I know I would not want to prosecute that case.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Perhaps Jimmy set the guy on a new life course.  He found a way for the guy to replace the lost income stream from his now interrupted pharmaceutical sales.

BTW, how does Jimmy find time to go from filming the cobbler squat that very evening, to the cops to allow them to view the video, and still get to Kim with the unused cream pie still fresh?  And why, why would he feel the need to buttress his story?  What could be gained by participating in the filming and sharing it with the cops?  They had their explanation, they were out of leads, they had no cause to continue an investigation.  They had suspicions, but no leads, and with the sales to Nacho shut down there would be no new leads to follow, and really no danger if the choose to observe Cobbler Squatter for a few days before they got bored since Cobbler Squatter was out of business, thanks to Mike. 
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Jimmy getting to see first hand how naïve and stupid Cobbler Squatter Nerd (CSN) is with the cops, I think Jimmy realized if they ever went back over to question him at his house that he would spill the beans. Filming and sharing the video of CSN makes almost certain that they won't be back to bother with him.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Perhaps Jimmy set the guy on a new life course.  He found a way for the guy to replace the lost income stream from his now interrupted pharmaceutical sales.

BTW, how does Jimmy find time to go from filming the cobbler squat that very evening, to the cops to allow them to view the video, and still get to Kim with the unused cream pie still fresh?  And why, why would he feel the need to buttress his story?  What could be gained by participating in the filming and sharing it with the cops?  They had their explanation, they were out of leads, they had no cause to continue an investigation.  They had suspicions, but no leads, and with the sales to Nacho shut down there would be no new leads to follow, and really no danger if the choose to observe Cobbler Squatter for a few days before they got bored since Cobbler Squatter was out of business, thanks to Mike. 
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The video seals the deal on selling the story 

 
Rove! said:
The video seals the deal on selling the story 
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Unnecessary to seal the deal.  Frankly unnecessary to put forward the story at all. 

"My client no longer wishes to participate in an investigation of the crime.  he has devoted enough of his time to this matter.  he is moving forward, if there is nothing else we are leaving, unless you have a reason to hold him against his will." 

Less is more, particularly when the criminal enterprise is now fully shut down.  Jimmy should know that.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Unnecessary to seal the deal.  Frankly unnecessary to put forward the story at all. 

"My client no longer wishes to participate in an investigation of the crime.  he has devoted enough of his time to this matter.  he is moving forward, if there is nothing else we are leaving, unless you have a reason to hold him against his will." 

Less is more, particularly when the criminal enterprise is now fully shut down.  Jimmy should know that.
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I think the cops were a bit incredulous on the story.  They already had to know that the guy worked for a pharmaceutical and were already looking at this as a drug case.  Some embarrassing story, by itself, might not be enough to convince them...

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Unnecessary to seal the deal.  Frankly unnecessary to put forward the story at all. 

"My client no longer wishes to participate in an investigation of the crime.  he has devoted enough of his time to this matter.  he is moving forward, if there is nothing else we are leaving, unless you have a reason to hold him against his will." 

Less is more, particularly when the criminal enterprise is now fully shut down.  Jimmy should know that.
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I'm not a lawyer but agree this was unnecessary and probably mingled in to get us some memorable Saul moments and on some level, like Walter...he likes doing it and he is good at it.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Unnecessary to seal the deal.  Frankly unnecessary to put forward the story at all. 

"My client no longer wishes to participate in an investigation of the crime.  he has devoted enough of his time to this matter.  he is moving forward, if there is nothing else we are leaving, unless you have a reason to hold him against his will." 

Less is more, particularly when the criminal enterprise is now fully shut down.  Jimmy should know that.
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Well that doesn't make for very fun TV

 
Rove! said:
I think the cops were a bit incredulous on the story.  They already had to know that the guy worked for a pharmaceutical and were already looking at this as a drug case.  Some embarrassing story, by itself, might not be enough to convince them...
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Satisfying the curiosity of cops who are suspicious of one's client is not necessarily the best tack, and I would suggest it is the worse.  First, they are never going to be satisfied, and then the more you talk to them, the more information they get, the more likely they are to catch you in an inconsistency, what they would call a lie, and lying to cops in the course of an official inquiry is never a good course of action.

In the end, with no cooperation, and no real basis for any investigation the cops will rapidly move on to more fruitful avenues of investigation.  Just get past the initial discomfort and the matter is over.

 
Walking Boot said:
The last thing he said to the cops that we saw was  "Trust me, you don't want to see it." Then they cut to him saying "You gotta make a video." That's the joke, guys, the cops did want to see it. 
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I enjoyed the narrative, the story telling, though I find it unrealistic and bad lawyering and just wanted to discuss that with Woz after his post.  I love the story Jimmy spun, and I am very willing to go down the road of belief that Jimmy is in fact addicted to the excitement of spinning his tails and his scams.  Its just Jimmy being Jimmy.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I enjoyed the narrative, the story telling, though I find it unrealistic and bad lawyering and just wanted to discuss that with Woz after his post.  I love the story Jimmy spun, and I am very willing to go down the road of belief that Jimmy is in fact addicted to the excitement of spinning his tails and his scams.  Its just Jimmy being Jimmy.
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Good god man, Jimmy's a con man.  He doesn't get off on good lawyering.  That's the whole point.

 
tonydead said:
Good god man, Jimmy's a con man.  He doesn't get off on good lawyering.  That's the whole point.
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Of course he does get off on frustrating the cops through the operation of the law.  He likes pointing out to them their constraints while he, himself, feels unconstrained, but that's just an observation.  I have no problem with the show, I was just reacting to a post.  I'm a huge fan of the entertainment value of the show.

 
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Detective:   We should keep an eye out for that pie-sitter now that we know....
 
 
 
 
 
 
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ala mode-us operandi
 
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BTW, with Jimmy being a bit of a movie buff I liked the "SG was here" bit from episode #1.  Perhaps an Homage to Shawshank, who can say?  he does like a good movie reference from time to time.

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
I enjoyed the narrative, the story telling, though I find it unrealistic and bad lawyering and just wanted to discuss that with Woz after his post.  I love the story Jimmy spun, and I am very willing to go down the road of belief that Jimmy is in fact addicted to the excitement of spinning his tails and his scams.  Its just Jimmy being Jimmy.
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Hm I don't know, the police sniffing out the drug business was good.

Why's it so unrealistic? The thing that occurred to me is that the video would have had a time stamp on it, which the cops might have noticed, but other than that guy was so unassuming looking that imagining him a freak seemed more realistic than seeing him as a drug dealer.

As for the idea that's not how lawyers do, well that's the point, that's the character, he doesn't even want to be a lawyer, the man's a storyteller.

 
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Walking Boot said:
I think the cops wanted to see it as proof. I don't think he volunteered it. 
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Yeah I got the impression they demanded to see it after they came in and Saul told the story  

To get super nit-picky:

1.  The video is risky because it's possible, assuming the video was disclosed electronically, that a forensic analyst could have examined the video's metadata and determined when it was created.  That could he terrible.

2. There's no reason to lie there. As DW alluded to, most defense attorneys would have simply advised the police that the cards were recovered and prosecution was no longer being requested.  Sure, the cops could have followed him for awhile but with this the cops don't have anything.  Heck, I personally would have just called them.  

 
Zow said:
Yeah I got the impression they demanded to see it after they came in and Saul told the story  

To get super nit-picky:

1.  The video is risky because it's possible, assuming the video was disclosed electronically, that a forensic analyst could have examined the video's metadata and determined when it was created.  That could he terrible.

2. There's no reason to lie there. As DW alluded to, most defense attorneys would have simply advised the police that the cards were recovered and prosecution was no longer being requested.  Sure, the cops could have followed him for awhile but with this the cops don't have anything.  Heck, I personally would have just called them.  
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1. This takes place before BB...and Walt used a flip phone, so i assumed the tape was not a digital file

2. Oh wait, you're investigating me?....never mind about those baseball cards...I found them...ummm ok...

 
Yeah, the point of the story was to get the cops to quit looking at the Hummer guy. Just saying the cards had been recovered wouldn't have accomplished that.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Yeah, the point of the story was to get the cops to quit looking at the Hummer guy. Just saying the cards had been recovered wouldn't have accomplished that.
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I respectfully disagree.  Cops have limited time and resources.  They are not going to devote them to an extensive investigation of a guy without any solid leads.  The fact that they suspect a person of some wrongdoing, nonspecific wrongdoing BTW, is not enough to motivate them chasing after a case with no leads.  Cops suspect lots of folks of things.  Absent leads to develop, evidence to gather, witnesses to interview they are more or less stymied.  Sure, they could go to their Chief, explain that they know in their hearts something smells rotten with the Dweeb and his shyster lawyer, and ask for the resources to observe the guy around the clock until they figure it out.  Now they won't be able to get wire taps or warrants on what they know, so intensive observation is really their only route.  The Chief is likely to ask if they are crazy.  Don't they have several hundred more productive leads to follow.

 
Zow said:
Yeah I got the impression they demanded to see it after they came in and Saul told the story  

To get super nit-picky:

1.  The video is risky because it's possible, assuming the video was disclosed electronically, that a forensic analyst could have examined the video's metadata and determined when it was created.  That could he terrible.

2. There's no reason to lie there. As DW alluded to, most defense attorneys would have simply advised the police that the cards were recovered and prosecution was no longer being requested.  Sure, the cops could have followed him for awhile but with this the cops don't have anything.  Heck, I personally would have just called them.  
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I highly doubt he let the cops ever take possession of it. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I do like how opulent that New Mexico big law market is.  Who knew?  You could fit three DC Vault 50 partners' offices in Jimmy's office now.
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That probably has more to do with the difference in property values between DC and NM than anything.

 
I'd like to see the guy driving the pimp's school bus to the chop shop get stopped by the cops who were originally called to Wally Cox Junior's house.  I mean there can't be two of those in Albuquerque.  They would know instantly the guy driving is not the owner.  They would start inquiring and that may draw Jimmy and Mike back in, and potentially could get Tuco involved as well wondering what all Nacho has going on on the side.

Imagine the stop happening.  Presume maybe the guy driving has a record and is a known member of Tuco or Nacho's crew.  Now the Cops would have something real to work on and to work with.

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
Of course he does get off on frustrating the cops through the operation of the law.  He likes pointing out to them their constraints while he, himself, feels unconstrained, but that's just an observation.  I have no problem with the show, I was just reacting to a post.  I'm a huge fan of the entertainment value of the show.
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Meh, I agree most attorneys would take the 'go pound sand' approach but seems to me there was clear benefit in this instance to spinning a story in effort remove this very numbskull client from future investigation and perhaps surveillance. Pound sand would only have made the cops more suspicious they were onto something here.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I'd like to see the guy driving the pimp's school bus to the chop shop get stopped by the cops who were originally called to Wally Cox Junior's house.  I mean there can't be two of those in Albuquerque.  They would know instantly the guy driving is not the owner.  They would start inquiring and that may draw Jimmy and Mike back in, and potentially could get Tuco involved as well wondering what all Nacho has going on on the side.

Imagine the stop happening.  Presume maybe the guy driving has a record and is a known member of Tuco or Nacho's crew.  Now the Cops would have something real to work on and to work with.
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A plot device like this would accomplish many things driving the story.  First, it would make Mike's fears come true with a vengeance.  it would make Kim's fears come true also as the Cops would now seriously have Jimmy under suspicion.  it would queer Jimmy with his new law firm when the cops arrive to question him at work and they, the law firm, find out Jimmy was doing pro bono criminal work in a questionable fashion.  It would confirm Chuck's worse predictions while potentially putting Jimmy in a position of hoping for Chuck's help.  Obviously it would activate Tuco and Nacho.  

 
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