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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (7 Viewers)

need2know said:
The person who decided not to give negan any scenes in 2 whole episodes should be fired.  This is the same person who likes the brooding Daryl shots or Carol reading a book.
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It annoys me a bit too, but I am trying to get over it.  The directors of the series will not figure out how to go from scene to scene in any given episode and will instead focus on one central theme per episode, so might as well learn to deal with it.

 
need2know said:
The person who decided not to give negan any scenes in 2 whole episodes should be fired.  This is the same person who likes the brooding Daryl shots or Carol reading a book.
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Personally I like getting a break from his character.. Don't get me wrong, I like his character, but a little goes a LONG way..

It looks like this entire next episode will be dedicated to the Saviors so you'll have that going for you.. :thumbup:  

 
snogger said:
Personally I like getting a break from his character.. Don't get me wrong, I like his character, but a little goes a LONG way..

It looks like this entire next episode will be dedicated to the Saviors so you'll have that going for you.. :thumbup:  
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I hope so.  

 
Neo said:
My god that new crew was annoying.  I was waiting for a midget to come out and say... who run bartertown!? 
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That's what I was thinking when Rick got pushed into the pit. Two men enter, one man leave.

 
wlwiles said:
Just got a chance to watch the latest episode.  Ugh.  Lots of turnoffs for me right now.  I'm still probably 100% invested in seeing this show through until it's completion whenever that may be, just because I've invested so much time into it already, but damn they are making it tough.  Lots of headscratching writing going on these days. 

1. Garbage Pail Kids leader girl talks like a 3 yr old.  "Me want guns.  No bother people.  Live in trash.  Grunt grunt...."   :X
2. Rick has fought multiple walkers, barehanded, in the dark, has killed hundreds of them without a gun or traditional weapon, is arguably the best killer in the surviving world, but all of a sudden he turns into Eugene just because a walker has spikes sticking out of him? Maggie dispatched one in S2 at the prison in full out riot gear in about 0.25 seconds. 
3. Daryl has become the moodiest character on the show.  I may be in the minority on this one, but I grew to hate Jesse Pinkman in BrBa in the later seasons because he was so damn  brooding all the time.  Daryl is the same way now...love Norman Reedus, but the writers have ruined Daryl Dixon. 
4. Someone else said it before...this whole storyline of "Carol is a delicate flower who can't be given any bad news or it'll upset her" is idiotic.  She killed a kid, secretly executed sick people at the prison in order to save the group (knowing it would get her exiled), led an assault on Terminus with a bottle rocket, pulled off the two-faced show of demure housewife/suburban commando when they got to Alexandria, but she might just have a breakdown if she finds out the Saviors killed Glenn and Abe.  Writers should have had Daryl tell her everything, and either she snaps out of it and says "lets go kick their asses", or Daryl walks out of the house alone, and we never have to see Carol's character again on the show, just let her be a hermit and ignore her forever.  The fragile flower BS needs to end ASAP.  Same goes for Morgan IMO...he should go live in the house with Carol so they can quilt together and sip coffee and die of boredom. 
5. Tara holding onto her torch of honor for some girl she isn't supposed to ever see again in her life, by not telling Rick and Co. about Oceanside, even though she knows this group has all the guns they'll need AND they have a grudge against the Saviors JUST LIKE HER GROUP DOES.   But oh no, she promised Cindy she wouldn't say anything...stupid 
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I agree with you for the most part, but think there's still time to rebound.  Just a couple of thoughts.  

1.  Yep.  Me want guns NOW.  Show him up up up.  Dumb Dumb Dumb.  

2.  Yep.  Although, he was just tossed down into a pit.  I thought it would have been better if he'd hurt his leg on the fall, or something to hamper his ability to fight.  Then he did impale his hand on one of the spikes.  That's gotta hurt.  But the keyboard to the helmet was really dumb.  

3.  Daryl was traumatized at the Savior's compound.  The way he killed Fat Joey showed he was under a little stress and hadn't been having a good week.  He seemed fine to me until he heard the name Carol from Richard.  Then when he was with Carol he seemed fine.  I'd like to give him a pass.  He is the show's most beloved character, I'd wager.  And he'll be fun to watch during the war with Negan.  

4.  Meh..  Carol's journey has been a major story line in the show.  Carol was in full-on survival mode, at any cost... until Alexandria.  Because prior to Alexandria, her group was in constant danger.  Then the group began to settle into some normalcy, at least for a zombie apocalypse.  It was a shock to Carol's system (and to Sasha's as well) and she still didn't trust anyone until some time passed.  But she softened.  She even began to open up to Tobin, who was sweet on her.  She talked with Morgan and had time to process the point he was trying to make about killing humans.  She wrote down a list of living people that she had killed since the prison and it began to get to her.  She didn't like the person she saw and decided she didn't want to kill again.  But, after the Wolves and all, she realized if she stayed there she may eventually have to kill again, to protect people like Tobin.  She didn't want him or anyone else to get close to her and she went into a shell.  She eventually thought it best to leave.  She didn't know how she'd react if anyone threatened her but she was prepared with the gun up her sleeve.  She got her answer when the Saviors stopped her.  She killed and then had a break down.  Morgan finds her and brings her into the kingdom, another peaceful place.  Like in Alexandria, she doesn't want to get close to anyone or have anyone get close to her.  So she leaves the kingdom and chooses to live alone in the house.  

She was meek at first, then became tough when she realized it was necessary to survive and to help her group survive.  But when things calmed down a little she got to reflect on what she'd become and didn't like it anymore.  I think we can all agree that we like her in survival mode and want her to want vengeance on the goobers that killed Glenn and Abe.  And time will probably accommodate that.  

But she is not a "delicate flower who can't be given bad news or it'll upset her."  She's already upset.  She's a damaged and confused killer.  She was coping well, then she sees Daryl and those feelings came back.  She thought about the group she loved and didn't want to see or think about them being harmed.  Daryl recognizes that it wasn't the time to tell Carol because the only news that would give her happiness was the news that everyone is okay.  IIRC, when Daryl leaves her house, he is leaving the kingdom and going back to the hilltop.  He's giving up on Richard and Ezekiel and seeking help elsewhere.  He'll try to destroy the Saviors himself if he has to.  But he doesn't want to put Carol in danger by dragging her with him on what he might consider a suicide mission (if it comes to that).  I don't have a problem with him not telling her about the deaths and what he went through.  She'll get caught up on what happened from someone else.  

5.  Agreed on Tara keeping silent.  That was annoying.  But, it was at the end of the episode.  I'm guessing she either tells Rick about Oceanside, or she goes back to Oceanside and tries to talk to the daughter that she befriended and ask for their help.  If she doesn't get it, maybe she'll disclose everything to Rick and Michonne and they end up taking Oceanside or something.  I'll give her a chance to speak up before concluding that she is a moron for keeping a secret promise at the expense of her whole group's survival.  

 
Jayrok said:
I agree with you for the most part, but think there's still time to rebound.  Just a couple of thoughts.  

3.  Daryl was traumatized at the Savior's compound.  The way he killed Fat Joey showed he was under a little stress and hadn't been having a good week.  He seemed fine to me until he heard the name Carol from Richard.  Then when he was with Carol he seemed fine.  I'd like to give him a pass.  He is the show's most beloved character, I'd wager.  And he'll be fun to watch during the war with Negan.  

4.  Meh..  Carol's journey has been a major story line in the show.  Carol was in full-on survival mode, at any cost... until Alexandria.  Because prior to Alexandria, her group was in constant danger.  Then the group began to settle into some normalcy, at least for a zombie apocalypse.  It was a shock to Carol's system (and to Sasha's as well) and she still didn't trust anyone until some time passed.  But she softened.  She even began to open up to Tobin, who was sweet on her.  She talked with Morgan and had time to process the point he was trying to make about killing humans.  She wrote down a list of living people that she had killed since the prison and it began to get to her.  She didn't like the person she saw and decided she didn't want to kill again.  But, after the Wolves and all, she realized if she stayed there she may eventually have to kill again, to protect people like Tobin.  She didn't want him or anyone else to get close to her and she went into a shell.  She eventually thought it best to leave.  She didn't know how she'd react if anyone threatened her but she was prepared with the gun up her sleeve.  She got her answer when the Saviors stopped her.  She killed and then had a break down.  Morgan finds her and brings her into the kingdom, another peaceful place.  Like in Alexandria, she doesn't want to get close to anyone or have anyone get close to her.  So she leaves the kingdom and chooses to live alone in the house.  

She was meek at first, then became tough when she realized it was necessary to survive and to help her group survive.  But when things calmed down a little she got to reflect on what she'd become and didn't like it anymore.  I think we can all agree that we like her in survival mode and want her to want vengeance on the goobers that killed Glenn and Abe.  And time will probably accommodate that.  

But she is not a "delicate flower who can't be given bad news or it'll upset her."  She's already upset.  She's a damaged and confused killer.  She was coping well, then she sees Daryl and those feelings came back.  She thought about the group she loved and didn't want to see or think about them being harmed.  Daryl recognizes that it wasn't the time to tell Carol because the only news that would give her happiness was the news that everyone is okay.  IIRC, when Daryl leaves her house, he is leaving the kingdom and going back to the hilltop.  He's giving up on Richard and Ezekiel and seeking help elsewhere.  He'll try to destroy the Saviors himself if he has to.  But he doesn't want to put Carol in danger by dragging her with him on what he might consider a suicide mission (if it comes to that).  I don't have a problem with him not telling her about the deaths and what he went through.  She'll get caught up on what happened from someone else.  
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Very :goodposting:   

 
packersfan said:
Rick's always been the lead character. Kirkman has said repeatedly the show is told from his perspective. I'm only speaking for myself but if Rick goes the show ends for me. There are other characters I like but Rick Grimes is the key one and always has been for me. There is no Walking Dead for me without him. 

ETA - I wonder how much of Lincoln's screen time being scaled back is a way to keep him invested in continuing the show. Seven seasons of being in every single episode would take its toll. Maybe Gimple and AMC execs have talked to him and said that we'll cut back your time if you keep with us. Would make sense.
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Agree, Rick is the only untouchable character. 

 
packersfan said:
Plenty of things in the episode bothered me. The Daryl stuff didn't. :shrug:  

Rick acting like he'd never seen a walker before when he got thrown in the pit was far worse than any of the Daryl stuff. Then again, pretty much everything about the junk yard kids stuff was real weak. 
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Agreed on the zombie. I could have handled that walker with the rubbermaid boxes Rick ignored that I linked above and I have 0 experience killing a walker.

 
packersfan said:
The trash walker was pretty cool but Rick's reaction took me entirely out of the scene. He acted like this was the first walker he'd ever seen, bumbling and stumbling about. Didn't feel in character at all.
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agreed, he doesn't;t need Michonne giving him tips though a pipe to take out that walker,

I swear they stole that scene straight out of return of the jedi.

 
People getting all crazy here over the way these trash people talk, yet we just had a few episodes of a medieval king with a tiger talking like he just got out of a time machine. 

Ok nevermind, yeah, it was stupid.  Up up up?????  What the F F F?

It wasn't even that she said up three times, but the way she said it was creepy.

 
Hard to criticize Rick in the fight with the armored walker.

There was little room to move and a lack of weapons to use. Can see why Rick had trouble.  He was fortunate to survive. The spiked walker was cool and a bad ###.

 
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Moonlight said:
Hard to criticize Rick in the fight with the armored walker.

There was little room to move and a lack of weapons to use. Can see why Rick had trouble.  He was fortunate to survive. The spiked walker was cool and a bad ###.
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I get what you're saying, but the bolded made me actually laugh out loud.

 
Jayrok said:
4.  Meh..  Carol's journey has been a major story line in the show.  Carol was in full-on survival mode, at any cost... until Alexandria.  Because prior to Alexandria, her group was in constant danger.  Then the group began to settle into some normalcy, at least for a zombie apocalypse.  It was a shock to Carol's system (and to Sasha's as well) and she still didn't trust anyone until some time passed.  But she softened.  She even began to open up to Tobin, who was sweet on her.  She talked with Morgan and had time to process the point he was trying to make about killing humans.  She wrote down a list of living people that she had killed since the prison and it began to get to her.  She didn't like the person she saw and decided she didn't want to kill again.  But, after the Wolves and all, she realized if she stayed there she may eventually have to kill again, to protect people like Tobin.  She didn't want him or anyone else to get close to her and she went into a shell.  She eventually thought it best to leave.  She didn't know how she'd react if anyone threatened her but she was prepared with the gun up her sleeve.  She got her answer when the Saviors stopped her.  She killed and then had a break down.  Morgan finds her and brings her into the kingdom, another peaceful place.  Like in Alexandria, she doesn't want to get close to anyone or have anyone get close to her.  So she leaves the kingdom and chooses to live alone in the house.  

She was meek at first, then became tough when she realized it was necessary to survive and to help her group survive.  But when things calmed down a little she got to reflect on what she'd become and didn't like it anymore.  I think we can all agree that we like her in survival mode and want her to want vengeance on the goobers that killed Glenn and Abe.  And time will probably accommodate that.  

But she is not a "delicate flower who can't be given bad news or it'll upset her."  She's already upset.  She's a damaged and confused killer.  She was coping well, then she sees Daryl and those feelings came back.  She thought about the group she loved and didn't want to see or think about them being harmed.  Daryl recognizes that it wasn't the time to tell Carol because the only news that would give her happiness was the news that everyone is okay.  IIRC, when Daryl leaves her house, he is leaving the kingdom and going back to the hilltop.  He's giving up on Richard and Ezekiel and seeking help elsewhere.  He'll try to destroy the Saviors himself if he has to.  But he doesn't want to put Carol in danger by dragging her with him on what he might consider a suicide mission (if it comes to that).  I don't have a problem with him not telling her about the deaths and what he went through.  She'll get caught up on what happened from someone else. 
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I get it.  There have been lots of characters throughout the series that have gone through inner struggles.  Rick and his hallucinations after Lori died.  Becoming a farmer and hanging up the guns, then eating a dude's Adam's apple raw and with no hands. Glenn and his finally having to kill humans at the satellite tower.  Carl killing an unarmed kid in the woods.  Daryl being broken down by the Saviors, and losing Beth.  Michonne and her pre-apocalypse past.  Etc etc etc. They're all complex characters.  They all struggle with life in the zombie apocalypse, and whether or not to be decent humans or to defend themselves however it takes. I get that people will probably feel this way if this was a real situation. Not everyone is Shane, and that's probably a good thing.  That's not my issue. 

My issue is how it's written and presented to us viewers.  I get that they're trying to show Carol's inner struggle.  "No I don't want to kill, I'll just leave, but I'll hide an Uzi up my sleeve just in case.  Oh look, I have to use it, but now I'm crying while I do because I'm so torn up inside". I think it's obvious that at some point she's going to go back to killing, otherwise they'd just move her to the cabin and ignore her in the show.  But it just comes across to me like the writers are trying to beat us over the head with "look at how Carol is conflicted, she's so broken, the struggle is real".  I dislike the Carol scenes right now because they don't tell me anything at all other than " Carol is still struggling with her emotions and thoughts".  Same ####, different day. Bring her back when something happens to make her turn 180.  I thought the Glenn/Abe news was that moment, but it didn't happen. 

I do appreciate you taking the time to write out everything you did, Jayrok.  And I don't mean to come across as argumentative.  I think I'm arguing from the other end of the same side of the fence you are.  

 
Rewatching the last episode now and I noticed two things. First the scavengers are not as illiterate on second watching and second they actually jump between storylines in this episode.

The second thing is a huge upgrade and hope it stays around.

 
I can't figure out how the writers for the video game put together a much better story then the current writers for the show. Strange. 

Eta: I'll never understand why they had a good story from the comics and felt the need to let their writers have free liberty to screw it up. The neegan character would not have killed his doctor and they are simplifying this whole story line way too much 

 
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Actually really liked this episode. Dwight is a stone cold murderer, I mean I think he's worse than neegan. Framing the  innocent doctor, brutal

 
For ruthless thieves and scavengers, the saviors have some crappy rooms and things.  Atari 2600?  Dwight has a lousy TV and VHS system?  Every room should have big LCD TVs and blue ray players with a massive collection of dvds, laptops, books etc.  They barely have any of the creature comforts of home.  I get that there is no internet, but I would have ripped all the music that I can find onto it, grabbed every old computer program from the old people's houses and have all the stand alone software that used to be out there etc.

Sure they have food, but barely anything else.   

 
The Big Guy said:
For ruthless thieves and scavengers, the saviors have some crappy rooms and things.  Atari 2600?  Dwight has a lousy TV and VHS system?  Every room should have big LCD TVs and blue ray players with a massive collection of dvds, laptops, books etc.  They barely have any of the creature comforts of home.  I get that there is no internet, but I would have ripped all the music that I can find onto it, grabbed every old computer program from the old people's houses and have all the stand alone software that used to be out there etc.

Sure they have food, but barely anything else.   
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Did the zombie apocalypse hit in 1985?

 
What did the doctor say to Dwight to cause him to want to set him up like that?  Thought maybe I missed something there.  

 
Jayrok said:
What did the doctor say to Dwight to cause him to want to set him up like that?  Thought maybe I missed something there.  
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I don't think it was one specific thing.. Just that D realized the only way to "save" Sherry was to have everyone believe she was dead.. The doc kept mentioning how D still Loved Sherry..

So in order to make everyone believe he truly was Negan's *itch, he came up with the story of Sherry spilling her guts about the Doc helping Daryl before the Dead literally spilled her guts.

my :2cents:

 
snogger said:
I don't think it was one specific thing.. Just that D realized the only way to "save" Sherry was to have everyone believe she was dead.. The doc kept mentioning how D still Loved Sherry..

So in order to make everyone believe he truly was Negan's *itch, he came up with the story of Sherry spilling her guts about the Doc helping Daryl before the Dead literally spilled her guts.

my :2cents:
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Thanks.  I remember D telling the doctor that he killed Sherry and he probably didn't want the doctor to run and tell Negan he killed her instead of bringing her back.  Plus he could kill two birds with one stone by shifting blame for Daryl's escape to the doctor.  I'd need to see the scene again.. I didn't remember D telling Negan that the Dr let Daryl go.  

 
To be a coward, Eugene certainly kept living on the edge by flaunting his newly found power/status.  Making up stuff/pushing people around.  He said he made the pills but didn't give them to the wives.  Wonder if they'll come back into play (the pills) at some point.   

 
Jayrok said:
To be a coward, Eugene certainly kept living on the edge by flaunting his newly found power/status.  Making up stuff/pushing people around.  He said he made the pills but didn't give them to the wives.  Wonder if they'll come back into play (the pills) at some point.   
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Yeah, I think the pills will come back into play at some point. The stuffed animal has a part to play too, it was way to prominently displayed at the end there. Maybe the pills are hidden in there or something??

 
The one interesting exchange for me was Negan asking Eugene if he provided this sort of help to Rick. It made me think Rick sort of squandered having Eugene, having him guard gates and such. There was the one scene where Eugene recommended that corn seed, but other than that he was a non-contributor.

 
Kraft... said:
Yeah, I think the pills will come back into play at some point. The stuffed animal has a part to play too, it was way to prominently displayed at the end there. Maybe the pills are hidden in there or something??
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In an attempt to make the show interesting they are going to have Eugene start cooking the blue meth, they are going to give the pills to Brock driving Jessie over the edge, and Badger will fascinate Negan with his Star Trek script idea, gaining his confidence before eventually crushing his head under an automatic teller machine or failing to turn him on his side in his sleep causing him to aspirate some vomitus.

 
I like Eugene so I thought it was a pretty good episode.  A backstory on him would be interesting.  His knowledge of different things seems pretty extensive.  I'd imagine the vast majority of us (probably all of us) couldn't do his balloon experiment without the internet or a book and couldn't make a killing pill without the internet or a book or something.  Seems like Negan's world is a lot better for him than Rick's.

 
BigJim® said:
The one interesting exchange for me was Negan asking Eugene if he provided this sort of help to Rick. It made me think Rick sort of squandered having Eugene, having him guard gates and such. There was the one scene where Eugene recommended that corn seed, but other than that he was a non-contributor.
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Eugene did help Rick and the Alexandrians by finding parts for the power generators, or he came up with a way to fix the generators.  

 
Niles Standish said:
I like Eugene so I thought it was a pretty good episode.  A backstory on him would be interesting.  His knowledge of different things seems pretty extensive.  I'd imagine the vast majority of us (probably all of us) couldn't do his balloon experiment without the internet or a book and couldn't make a killing pill without the internet or a book or something.  Seems like Negan's world is a lot better for him than Rick's.
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Yeah, Eugene is better off in this world than being scared all the time in Alexandria.  He's always been about himself and does whatever he needs to in order to survive.  I'd like to see a back story on him as well.  He told Negan that he didn't exactly have an eidetic memory, but he reads a lot and picks up most all knowledge that has been dropped near him.  

 
Eugene is gonna BS the Survivors, much like he did with Rick's group.  Will be interesting to see how the show handles it.  If it will be his downfall or not.  Rick's group let him live, will be interesting to see what Negan does, if it comes to that.

 
The Big Guy said:
For ruthless thieves and scavengers, the saviors have some crappy rooms and things.  Atari 2600?  Dwight has a lousy TV and VHS system?  Every room should have big LCD TVs and blue ray players with a massive collection of dvds, laptops, books etc.  They barely have any of the creature comforts of home.  I get that there is no internet, but I would have ripped all the music that I can find onto it, grabbed every old computer program from the old people's houses and have all the stand alone software that used to be out there etc.

Sure they have food, but barely anything else.   
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this is one of the little things that bugs me on this show. The constant driving of 30yo cars is so dumb. they would be rolling in newer SUV's or in cars with really good gas mileage.  Like you said, really an Atari?

 
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I liked the episode a lot and Dwight is easily one of my least favorite characters. I am growing tired of the "Will he turn on Negan or won't he?" hoo ha. It's been 3 episodes now so hopefully that's done although I'm guessing it's not based on how Dwight knows he gave up the Doc to save himself. But I really liked the Eugene stuff. Gut says he hasn't flipped but is doing what he does best - parlaying a lot of BS about himself in such a way it keeps him safe. It's exactly what he did when he found Abe and he's doing it now with Negan. Sound smart and make it seem like you're vital to the cause and the power in charge will protect you.

The smirk on his face after he whimpered in front of Negan was great. It's possible Rick now has someone on the inside with access to stuff that could prove helpful down the road - assuming Eugene has the stones to deliver. 

I thought this was a damn good episode. Great character work for Eugene.

 
packersfan said:
I liked the episode a lot and Dwight is easily one of my least favorite characters. I am growing tired of the "Will he turn on Negan or won't he?" hoo ha. It's been 3 episodes now so hopefully that's done although I'm guessing it's not based on how Dwight knows he gave up the Doc to save himself. But I really liked the Eugene stuff. Gut says he hasn't flipped but is doing what he does best - parlaying a lot of BS about himself in such a way it keeps him safe. It's exactly what he did when he found Abe and he's doing it now with Negan. Sound smart and make it seem like you're vital to the cause and the power in charge will protect you.

The smirk on his face after he whimpered in front of Negan was great. It's possible Rick now has someone on the inside with access to stuff that could prove helpful down the road - assuming Eugene has the stones to deliver. 

I thought this was a damn good episode. Great character work for Eugene.
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Awesome Eugene episode. 

 
packersfan said:
Rosita's going through some serious chit right now. My guess is she either dies which will be a massive blow to the television industry or Sasha dies saving her. 
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Makes sense...Sasha is the lead on the new Star Trek series


 

 
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packersfan said:
Don't read spoilers but if that isn't a spoiler let me know. Otherwise thanks but no thanks :)
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hard to tell around here what people consider a spoiler. I don't think it is a true spoiler but it is something happening IRL that possibly ties into your post

eta - i am several pages behind in the thread so it may have already been mentioned

 
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