Swing 51
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I guess this is up for dispute? Some docs saying he needs surgery but others don't agree?
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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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I think the Redskins can get a 7th round pick at best for Cousins at this point. Earlier in the offseason, Bruce Allen said he received no call about Cousins. It was reported that last year, Cleveland offered a 4th round pick for Cousins and the Redskins turned it down. Did Cousins do anything to raise his trade value in the last year?
If the Redskins really want to get rid of Cousins, cutting him is the most likely way to go. Most likely, Cousins will play out the final year of his contract with the Redskins and then leave. He will probably sign on somewhere as a 3rd string QB and try to work his way up the depth chart. If he keeps up all the I want to compete for a starting position talk, I could see him not being able to find a team as a free agent. Cousins has been disruptive in this regard since day 1.
dhockster
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So if Gruden/Griffin is not successful in 2015, does that mean Gruden is gone next year?
cstu
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The 2016 option is only guaranteed for injury. Griffin can be cut if he doesn't play well.
PinkydaPimp
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Probably depends on how successful the team is. But i think if rg3 is given his shot, which it seems he will get, and he is unsuccessful, then might as well let Gruden go and let McCloughan build his team starting with his HC.
dhockster
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MattFancy
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If QB play is similar to last year I expect Gruden to be gone.
I don't think picking up Griffin's option has anything to do with Gruden.
On the option, it is not clear to me when it become guaranteed. For instance, if Griffin blows out his knee in week 2 and has a 10-12 month recovery, he could easily be available for week 1 of 2016. If the guarantee does not kick in, the Redskin are not on the hook for much. My guess is that is Griffin is consistently playing poorly by week 8, he will get benched and they will not risk a major injury with him.
As far as Gruden is concerned, it looks like he is getting a mulligan. He turned over almost the entire defensive coaching staff and hired a QB coach. Presumably, these are the coaches he wants. If the team falters like it did last year, or the QBs all play as bad as they did last year, his job could be in serious jeopardy. I think he needs one QB to step up and develop. But is does not necessarily be Griffin.
I heard part of McCloughan's press conference. First of all, I love everything he says.
Outside of Griffin's option, the big takeaways are:
1. He wants big, powerful offensive linemen. Bill Callahan is implementing a power running game. My interpretation: the zone blocking from Mike Shanahan is a thing of the past.
2. He sure sounds like he is drafting best player available. He keeps saying we need football players.
3. He is open to trading down, but said there are also risks in trading down from 5. He does not want to miss an elite player there.
4. The draft board is pretty much set. The draft room is actually pretty laid back place because all the work is already done. The only time things get stirred up is when teams call asking about a trade.
5. He is confident in finding players in every round. It is not a crap shoot for him.
6. The dumbest question came from a woman who asked if he thinks there will be starters that fall to the 2nd round.
Outside of Griffin's option, the big takeaways are:
1. He wants big, powerful offensive linemen. Bill Callahan is implementing a power running game. My interpretation: the zone blocking from Mike Shanahan is a thing of the past.
2. He sure sounds like he is drafting best player available. He keeps saying we need football players.
3. He is open to trading down, but said there are also risks in trading down from 5. He does not want to miss an elite player there.
4. The draft board is pretty much set. The draft room is actually pretty laid back place because all the work is already done. The only time things get stirred up is when teams call asking about a trade.
5. He is confident in finding players in every round. It is not a crap shoot for him.
6. The dumbest question came from a woman who asked if he thinks there will be starters that fall to the 2nd round.
I don't the the option has much if anything to do with Gruden either. I was just responding to the poster who asked if Gruden would be around after 2015. I think Gruden's fate is completely tied into improved QB play. All the QB's looked like garbage the more they played last year. If that's the case again he's done at the end of the year.Marvelous said:
womenHere is a very interesting article on the composition of the Redskin's personnel department, past McCloughan personnel departments, and changes the Redskins may make. Part 1 also covered how other NFL personnel departments are configured.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/28/8500749/building-the-new-redskins-front-office-part-2
Part 1 stated the Redskins have a smaller personnel department than most teams. They have less college scouts than nearly every team. And they have more pro scouts than most teams. Not surprising, given how much the team has emphasized free agency and de-emphasized the draft.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/28/8500749/building-the-new-redskins-front-office-part-2
Part 1 stated the Redskins have a smaller personnel department than most teams. They have less college scouts than nearly every team. And they have more pro scouts than most teams. Not surprising, given how much the team has emphasized free agency and de-emphasized the draft.
dehaven123
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Maybe trade back if a team is interesting in cooper, assuming he slides to 5. Pick up a few picks, but dont slide down too far so we can still get Dupree or another pass rusher. That's what id like to see early in the draft. Maybe even fowler at 5, if they can't trade back.
Every year there are posts about how terrible a draft is because they did not draft a certain position in the later rounds.
The goal is to get football players. And after the 2nd round, they usually aren't immediate starter/impact players.
I suspect McCloughan will draft lots OL, DL, and pass rushers. It looks like he thinks teams are built in the trenches. Once again, the exact opposite of the Redskin way of doing things.
Sebowski
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Same here. Guess I'd add a RB would piss me off too, and wouldn't be too happy with a WR, but ok with that. Just no QB or RB and I'll trust the decision. Fowler or trade down would be my hope.
Swing 51
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
cmon scott!!!
eta: i really hope we can trade down and acquire more picks.
eta: i really hope we can trade down and acquire more picks.
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I'd like that. But I think Cooper and Williams are going to be awesome. Tough to pass on one of them.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Im happy with the pick. Dont know a ton about him, but i know we need OL and he looks good and versatile!
PinkydaPimp
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dehaven123
Footballguy
Guard or tackle, I'm pretty much indifferent. If he fills the void that has existed on the right side of this offensive line for a couple years, ill be satisfied. It continues the trend of Scot focusing on the trenches, which is wonderful thing. Not sexy, but practical.
Rimez
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hes a big strong guy with great character but will get abused if they play him at RT, williams falls and we pass on him for a running game guard at 5th overall?!? those 1v1 in a phone booth guys are a dime a dozen in the mid rounds. did you see the jets war room smiling and laughing their asses off?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
deancheated
Footballguy
Skins needed o-line help, this kid will help the entire offense. Those saying this is a bad pick don't understand football...
Hang 10
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
according to gruden Scherff will start out at Right tackle.
I was surprised by the pick. But that is good in that the Redskins never tipped off what they were going to do in the draft.
I thought they may have been able to trade down and still get him. Then again, maybe McCloughan has Sherff much higher than anyone else on the draft board and needed to take him.
If he can play both guard and tackle, there is a bigger need a tackle. Moses is questionable to be ready by the season opener and will miss the full off season. Compton is marginal at best.
At RG, there are a lot of signs that the team likes Chris Chester much more than the fans do.
I thought they may have been able to trade down and still get him. Then again, maybe McCloughan has Sherff much higher than anyone else on the draft board and needed to take him.
If he can play both guard and tackle, there is a bigger need a tackle. Moses is questionable to be ready by the season opener and will miss the full off season. Compton is marginal at best.
At RG, there are a lot of signs that the team likes Chris Chester much more than the fans do.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Meh, on this team it's tough to complain too much on a Oline pick.
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