Hang 10
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I'd imagine not many though. Obviously the skins didn't get a decent offer to trade back and neither did the Jets. Imagine the Jets may have traded back as they mentioned that Dline wasn't a need for them either.
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The media is just so incestuous. They proclaim WIlliams the best player in the draft and then when you don't take him, you get a C.
Then a bunch of posters online who probably have never even seen WIlliams or Schreff take 3 snaps between them proclaim that this all proves that the Redskins are a joke.
In the absence of my being a top flight college talent evaluator myself, I'm inclined to default to guys who have a proven track record of success. SO like Ted Thompson...I would trust that guy. And Scot M falls in that category. Guys who have actually done it.
Here's who do not have the same level of credibility:
- Media guys
-Internet posters
None of this is to say that Schreff will be a PRo Bowler or WIlliams a bust. IT could be the reverse. OR they both coudl be great. OR both busts. But a media guy giving you a grade the day after the draft is just plain stupid.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
saw a tweet earlier that said Williams injury while not long term would hamper his development. That might have also played into the decision assuming they want the first round pick to get off to the races.
To add to this point: "Football Reputation" is such a bs quality anyways. I remember an interview by Eric Dickerson years ago in which he said, flatly: "The best players on the team often don't start." And he went on to explain that many guys came in with these big reputations and got paid a bunch of money; consequently they tended to remain in the lineup even if backups were more capable. And once you get it in your head that "player A is better than player B" it's like it's locked in there and you can no longer see objectively.
I feel like in a way that's 10 times worse in the draft. Every year we see players in the first round flame out and guys picked in mid rounds ball out. So sure, if you are a first rounder, chances are you are a SAFER pick than a mid rounder...some talent is evident. But it's way far from an exact science, even after guys get into the pros.
Milkman
Footballguy
Skins getting killed the day after for taking a Guard/RT top 5 and rightfully so imo. Still we have no idea what trades if any were out there. Smart teams aren't moving up in the top 5 for a DT. My gut tells me if Mariota had fell to them at 5 they would have been able to move out of that spot. They reached but it was a player they really liked at a position of need who is relatively safe. I'm going to give our GM a pass and see what happens as we move forward.
dgreen
Footballguy
Why do you keep calling him a guard? As best I can tell, he played LT last year and Gruden has said he'll play RT. Also, keep in mind that Trent Williams is a FA next year, so they possibly drafted their soon-to-be LT. Or maybe some day Trent moves to RT and Scherff takes LT. It seems right now that he only ends up at G if they come across another T who is better. If they do, good for them.
Trent Williams has a huge salary and it seems like he has been playing injured a lot the past two years. I don't think it's a given that the Redskins will re-sign him after next season.
The draft is all about getting talent to develop. And much more of the weighting will go toward who they draft in rounds 2-7 than in round 1, unless the round 1 player is a complete bust. It is in the later rounds the a GM really earns his salary.
I was looking at the 2011 draft for the Redskins:
Kerrigan looks good. Paul in the 5th round is ok. But overall, it is really a pretty bad draft. To top it off, the Redskins had pick #10 and traded down to get more picks. Jacksonville proceeded to take Blaine Gabbert at #10. Everyone loved the move at the time. In retrospect, J.J. Watt was taken by Houston at #11. And at the time, no one complained that the Redskins missed out on the best defensive player in the NFL.
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah Scherff is not playing LT in the NFL. If he can play LT then obviously everything I said is wrong. He can't.
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Thoughts?
Chadwiko Menendez @ChadwikoRCC 28 seconds ago
Todd McShay on ESPN just now: "Scot McCloughan isn't messing around."
Josh Norris @JoshNorris 1 minute ago
Preston Smith is a far superior prospect to Trent Murphy. He is Justin Tuck. Can stand up in this D, then move inside. No. 13 overall for me
Doug Farrar @SI_DougFarrar 3 minutes ago
Redskins just totally stole Preston Smith in the second round.
Chadwiko Menendez @ChadwikoRCC 28 seconds ago
Todd McShay on ESPN just now: "Scot McCloughan isn't messing around."
Josh Norris @JoshNorris 1 minute ago
Preston Smith is a far superior prospect to Trent Murphy. He is Justin Tuck. Can stand up in this D, then move inside. No. 13 overall for me
Doug Farrar @SI_DougFarrar 3 minutes ago
Redskins just totally stole Preston Smith in the second round.
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Big Deal. We all made fun of Bruce Allen for saying the Redskins were winning off the field and it's been a longstanding joke that the Redskins make all the flashy moves in the offseason, only to continue to lose. So honestly, I really don't give two shuts that the Redskins are "getting killed" by a bunch of wannabe GM Media people and overly critical internet trolls. Seriously, BIG DEAL. Let's see how the players do ON THE FIELD not in the press.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Skins swap their 3rd rounder with Seattle, also get Seattle's 4th, 5th and 6th. Good enough haul to drop that far.
deancheated
Footballguy
Great trade for the Skins.
dehaven123
Footballguy
Wow. awesome. Scot said he wanted to walk out of the draft with 10 picks. Guess he'll settle for 11.
I don't know much about him. Although having another big back can really help spell Morris here and there. If QB play doesn't improve nice to know you've got another RB in the stable.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Both linemen drafted supposedly much better in the run game than passing too. Doesn't really fit with our current coach IMO
Sebowski
Footballguy
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17164/jay-gruden-breaks-down-last-seven-redskins-picks
ASHBURN, Va. – Jay Gruden said what was expected, raving about each of the Redskins’ seven picks Saturday. It’s what he’s supposed to do. Yet they clearly liked something about each of these players. And inside his quotes you can see a theme: Each player has a level of toughness they like. There’s also consistent mention of special teams.
That said, here's what Gruden had to say about the final seven picks:
WR Jamison Crowder (fourth round): “We liked his big-play ability. He can return punts, obviously. That’s obviously exciting. Very productive college football player, very tough, and he’s going to be an instant playmaker for us. So, that’s going to be a good one.”
2015 NFL DRAFT RECAPG Arie Kouandjio (fourth round): “Big, physical offensive guard. You talk about offensive line depth, you can never have too many big guys that can move the pile – powerful people. Knowing him and talking to him at the combine, he’s a very good person who works very, very hard. Very detailed in what he does, and he’ll be a good fit for us.”
LB Martrell Spaight (fifth round): “Very productive player. A one-year player who really did some things in college as a linebacker, physical linebacker. Makes a ton of plays. Very, very productive in the games that he played. Very exciting. He likes to hit; you can see that. He doesn’t back down from any contact. He’ll be a player to be reckoned with, I promise you that. Very tough player.”
S Kyshoen Jarrett (sixth round): “Similar type. A little bit undersized for a safety, he’s 5-foot-10 but when he brings it, he brings it. He’s a tough guy. I think he’s going to be very good on special teams and he’s going to have to try to work his way into the lineup. But, very physical player, very productive player at Virginia Tech, and we like what we saw on tape. And we like his demeanor and the way he plays. Physically tough, makes up for not being 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-1 by his physical toughness and his ability to play special teams.”
CB Tevin Mitchel (sixth round): “Did a lot of work on Tevin. He had an excellent pro day, has excellent measurables, 6-foot tall. He was relegated mostly to playing nickel at Arkansas. But, I think with the measurables that he has, there is a role for him. He can run and did some good things at the nickel position.”
WR Evan Spencer (sixth round): “When you watch him play, you look at his stats, you’re like, ‘Why would they draft him?’ But this guy is a very tough football player. He’s big, he’s fast, he’s physical. He’s going to be a demon on special teams. He’s going to make it hard on everybody to make a move with him but I think he’s going to be here for a while just because of his mental makeup. He’s a heck of a person. He’s going to work extremely hard and when you have a guy who’s that big and that fast, loves the competition, loves to play the special teams, loves to block safeties and corners and all that, you’ll find a spot for him on the football team.”
C Austin Reiter (seventh round): “You watch him on tape and he does some really good things. He’s a good solid center. He’ll come in and fit in the mix and come in and compete like the rest of these guys. I think the motto of this draft really is that these are all good football players, proven football players, very productive in college. Tough, love to play, and we’re excited to get to see them.”
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't know where you got that he can't catch, but his two biggest strengths are his pass blocking and his receiving ability. He just wasn't utilized much as a receiver in that offense. But he is a very natural receiver and showed that off in the pre-draft process and in HS. He's our new 3rd down RB, in addition to being a straight lineish bruiser.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is extremely interesting and very telling...I expect a clean sweep of our scouting department and personnel side very soon now that the draft is over...I expect him to pull in lots of his own guys and pull some from teams he's worked with.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/5/3/8539053/2015-nfl-draft-grades-mel-kiper-jr-gives-the-washington-redskins-the
Not that I particularly hang on every word the media says about the draft -- I think they are hit and miss at the very best. However, this article is only interesting in light of the fact that I've read a lot on here about how poorly the Redskins drafted, and how they are getting killed for their foolish draft.
Apparently Mel Kiper gave the Redskins an A- on their draft, tied for the highest score he gave anyone this year.
Go figure...
Not that I particularly hang on every word the media says about the draft -- I think they are hit and miss at the very best. However, this article is only interesting in light of the fact that I've read a lot on here about how poorly the Redskins drafted, and how they are getting killed for their foolish draft.
Apparently Mel Kiper gave the Redskins an A- on their draft, tied for the highest score he gave anyone this year.
Go figure...
FYI...the article I post above actually gives a lot of analysis not just from Kiper, but runs down how many media felt about the draft. I've posted just two below but worth going to the link to check them all out. Theme seems to be that the Redskins were looking to get "tougher" and also sought help in Special Teams as well.
Most of the criticism I've seen on here is why the Redskins didn't go for L Williams first round, but this analysis really shows what Scot's mindset is and the team he is trying to build long term. Perhaps why he's in the role he's in and we're typing on this message board...but we'll see...
Kiper on the Redskins draft:
"I don't think there was a softer team in the NFL the past season than the Redskins, especially on defense, where they simply didn't tackle. If there was a clear trend with this draft, it was a new GM drafting for toughness and attitude. Washington got a lot tougher on both sides of the ball in the first two rounds. I know there are questions about whether Brandon Scherff can stay at tackle in the NFL (he was a LT at Iowa), but even if he's a guard, while the pick value loses a little, the guy is a true mauler, a player who makes the run game better the second he steps on the field. Whether it's right tackle (makes sense) or guard, Scherff is a starter now. Preston Smith could have come off the board in Round 1, so to get him in Round 2 was minor coup. That's a clear need at OLB, and he can move around too. Matt Jones was a bit rich for me in terms of value, but it's all preference on RB at that point. Jamison Crowder is a small player, but again, a tough kid who has been hugely productive. Bill Polian threw out a Wes Welker comparison, and he doesn't typically exaggerate. Later on, they again got more physical with Arie Kouandjio and Martrell Spaight. When I went through tape with Jon Gruden, Spaight was one of his favorite players in the entire draft. I agree with Mr. McShay that everywhere you look, they got tougher. Overall, I was really impressed with this draft."
McShay:
"I really like what new GM Scot McCloughan did with his first draft with the Redskins. It seemed like every player he chose was really tough, regardless of position. DE Preston Smith is a tone-setter, and Jamison Crowder could become a very effective slot receiver in this league. But my pick here is first-rounder Scherff, who is the nastiest offensive lineman in this class. He might never develop into an NFL left tackle because of his lack of ideal length, but he's a powerful run-blocker who gets the job done in pass protection as well -- and is one of the toughest players out there."
Most Improved Team in the NFC East: Washington Redskins
I really liked the first three picks of the Giants' and Eagles' drafts. I think both teams could get some early impact out of their rookie classes. But the Redskins are my choice here because I think they got tougher on both sides of the ball. No. 5 overall pick Brandon Scherff is a nasty, tough, physical run-blocker who should start right away at right tackle. Preston Smith is a tone-setter at defensive end who should help in the run game while also providing interior rushing ability on obvious passing downs. Jamison Crowder could provide early help as a slot receiver.
Most of the criticism I've seen on here is why the Redskins didn't go for L Williams first round, but this analysis really shows what Scot's mindset is and the team he is trying to build long term. Perhaps why he's in the role he's in and we're typing on this message board...but we'll see...
Kiper on the Redskins draft:
"I don't think there was a softer team in the NFL the past season than the Redskins, especially on defense, where they simply didn't tackle. If there was a clear trend with this draft, it was a new GM drafting for toughness and attitude. Washington got a lot tougher on both sides of the ball in the first two rounds. I know there are questions about whether Brandon Scherff can stay at tackle in the NFL (he was a LT at Iowa), but even if he's a guard, while the pick value loses a little, the guy is a true mauler, a player who makes the run game better the second he steps on the field. Whether it's right tackle (makes sense) or guard, Scherff is a starter now. Preston Smith could have come off the board in Round 1, so to get him in Round 2 was minor coup. That's a clear need at OLB, and he can move around too. Matt Jones was a bit rich for me in terms of value, but it's all preference on RB at that point. Jamison Crowder is a small player, but again, a tough kid who has been hugely productive. Bill Polian threw out a Wes Welker comparison, and he doesn't typically exaggerate. Later on, they again got more physical with Arie Kouandjio and Martrell Spaight. When I went through tape with Jon Gruden, Spaight was one of his favorite players in the entire draft. I agree with Mr. McShay that everywhere you look, they got tougher. Overall, I was really impressed with this draft."
McShay:
"I really like what new GM Scot McCloughan did with his first draft with the Redskins. It seemed like every player he chose was really tough, regardless of position. DE Preston Smith is a tone-setter, and Jamison Crowder could become a very effective slot receiver in this league. But my pick here is first-rounder Scherff, who is the nastiest offensive lineman in this class. He might never develop into an NFL left tackle because of his lack of ideal length, but he's a powerful run-blocker who gets the job done in pass protection as well -- and is one of the toughest players out there."
Most Improved Team in the NFC East: Washington Redskins
I really liked the first three picks of the Giants' and Eagles' drafts. I think both teams could get some early impact out of their rookie classes. But the Redskins are my choice here because I think they got tougher on both sides of the ball. No. 5 overall pick Brandon Scherff is a nasty, tough, physical run-blocker who should start right away at right tackle. Preston Smith is a tone-setter at defensive end who should help in the run game while also providing interior rushing ability on obvious passing downs. Jamison Crowder could provide early help as a slot receiver.
Looking through Gruden's comments, you can see what he thinks of each of these players:http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17164/jay-gruden-breaks-down-last-seven-redskins-picks
ASHBURN, Va. – Jay Gruden said what was expected, raving about each of the Redskins’ seven picks Saturday. It’s what he’s supposed to do. Yet they clearly liked something about each of these players. And inside his quotes you can see a theme: Each player has a level of toughness they like. There’s also consistent mention of special teams.
That said, here's what Gruden had to say about the final seven picks:
WR Jamison Crowder (fourth round): “We liked his big-play ability. He can return punts, obviously. That’s obviously exciting. Very productive college football player, very tough, and he’s going to be an instant playmaker for us. So, that’s going to be a good one.”
2015 NFL DRAFT RECAPG Arie Kouandjio (fourth round): “Big, physical offensive guard. You talk about offensive line depth, you can never have too many big guys that can move the pile – powerful people. Knowing him and talking to him at the combine, he’s a very good person who works very, very hard. Very detailed in what he does, and he’ll be a good fit for us.”
LB Martrell Spaight (fifth round): “Very productive player. A one-year player who really did some things in college as a linebacker, physical linebacker. Makes a ton of plays. Very, very productive in the games that he played. Very exciting. He likes to hit; you can see that. He doesn’t back down from any contact. He’ll be a player to be reckoned with, I promise you that. Very tough player.”
S Kyshoen Jarrett (sixth round): “Similar type. A little bit undersized for a safety, he’s 5-foot-10 but when he brings it, he brings it. He’s a tough guy. I think he’s going to be very good on special teams and he’s going to have to try to work his way into the lineup. But, very physical player, very productive player at Virginia Tech, and we like what we saw on tape. And we like his demeanor and the way he plays. Physically tough, makes up for not being 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-1 by his physical toughness and his ability to play special teams.”
CB Tevin Mitchel (sixth round): “Did a lot of work on Tevin. He had an excellent pro day, has excellent measurables, 6-foot tall. He was relegated mostly to playing nickel at Arkansas. But, I think with the measurables that he has, there is a role for him. He can run and did some good things at the nickel position.”
WR Evan Spencer (sixth round): “When you watch him play, you look at his stats, you’re like, ‘Why would they draft him?’ But this guy is a very tough football player. He’s big, he’s fast, he’s physical. He’s going to be a demon on special teams. He’s going to make it hard on everybody to make a move with him but I think he’s going to be here for a while just because of his mental makeup. He’s a heck of a person. He’s going to work extremely hard and when you have a guy who’s that big and that fast, loves the competition, loves to play the special teams, loves to block safeties and corners and all that, you’ll find a spot for him on the football team.”
C Austin Reiter (seventh round): “You watch him on tape and he does some really good things. He’s a good solid center. He’ll come in and fit in the mix and come in and compete like the rest of these guys. I think the motto of this draft really is that these are all good football players, proven football players, very productive in college. Tough, love to play, and we’re excited to get to see them.”
Sounds like Gruden loves Spaight. He likes Spencer a lot too. Jarrett will most likely make the team as the special teamer. Kauandijo is labeled as depth, which is not a big endorsement for a 4th rounder. Mitchell sounds like a project. And Reiters needs to fight for a job, typical of a 7th round pick.
I posted this earlier before the draft, but will do it again.
Hogshaven.com had a two part article on the personnel department. There are here:
http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/27/8500783/building-the-new-redskins-front-office-part-1
http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/28/8500749/building-the-new-redskins-front-office-part-2
The quick summary:
1. Today is Black Monday for Scouts. Just like how the first Monday after the regular season is Black Monday for coaches, today is the equivalent for scouts.
2. The are 3 new GMs in the NFL, so expect the most changes there.
3. Comparing the Redskins to other teams, they have more pro scouts and less college scouts. They also have less personnel people than most teams.
4. In the past, McCloughan has let go about half of the existing staff. Expect his again for the Redskins.
5. The Redskins have actually had a lot of continuity in the scouting department. Of course, you could claim that continuity has not helped the Redskins in this case.
6. One scout, Jim Zeches, McCloughan let go in 2005 from SF. Unless things have changed, there is a good chance he will be let go again.
Just listened to Redskins at 1. They had outtakes from McCloughan's post draft press conference. The biggest note: all the trades proposals for trading down from pick 5 was based on Fowler still being on the board. Once Jacksonville took Fowler, all the trade offers disappeared.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
So I don't know if he was just being politically correct since no decisions have been made yet and nobody's been notified of any changes in the staff until he meets with Allen this week...but from his press conference, it kinda sounded like he wasn't planning on making huge changes to our personnel department.
I'm really hoping it's just him being a polite guy who refuses to say "oh yeah, we're about to make tons of changes there" before anything's been decided...kind of like how he refused to announce who we were cutting to make room for rookies because they hadn't been notified yet.
Then again, Scot is old school...after going through this entire pre-draft/draft/post-draft process with our staff he might feel some loyalty to them if there were no glaring idiots. They put in TONS of hours together watching film and comparing notes. Don't know how I feel about that, our personnel department has lasted through something like 2-3 different coaching regimes now because they're never blamed for the work, the coaches are. Which may or may not be true, but still. It's unsettling not to have a new GM bring in all his own guys. I still hope he does.
I'm really hoping it's just him being a polite guy who refuses to say "oh yeah, we're about to make tons of changes there" before anything's been decided...kind of like how he refused to announce who we were cutting to make room for rookies because they hadn't been notified yet.
Then again, Scot is old school...after going through this entire pre-draft/draft/post-draft process with our staff he might feel some loyalty to them if there were no glaring idiots. They put in TONS of hours together watching film and comparing notes. Don't know how I feel about that, our personnel department has lasted through something like 2-3 different coaching regimes now because they're never blamed for the work, the coaches are. Which may or may not be true, but still. It's unsettling not to have a new GM bring in all his own guys. I still hope he does.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I was listen to Shehan earlier and a caller brought up a good point about McCloughan.....
He obviously knows what he is doing but his weakness appears to be skill position guys. When you look at the 9ers and Seahawks it may be true.
Just something to keep an eye on. He's obviously the best thing to happen to the Skins since Gibbs 2.0.
He obviously knows what he is doing but his weakness appears to be skill position guys. When you look at the 9ers and Seahawks it may be true.
Just something to keep an eye on. He's obviously the best thing to happen to the Skins since Gibbs 2.0.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Yeah, I've been worried about that as well. But it could be more of a coincidence, as he is originally from the Packers scouting tree ad they kill it with WR's
MattFancy
Footballguy
Maybe, but the Skins skill players right now are actually their strength: DJax, Garcon, Morris, Reed (when healthy) and Paul.
And McCloughan was responsible for Vernon Davis and Frank Gore.
I think safety and cornerback are considered skill positions. And Seattle is loaded at those positions.
So far, I think McCloughan is awesome. I sure hope we have a secondary like Seattle's someday.
I saw this article in the Washington Post that McCloughan is pleased with the draft.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mccloughan-proud-of-first-redskins-draft-says-aim-was-to-build-teams-core/2015/05/04/4c77be58-f2a6-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html
My first thought was if he is really pleased, there may not be as that much turnover in the personnel department.
Since he got to work with everyone for 6 months, the period should be a trial period where McCloughan shows them how he wants them to do their jobs and they try to accomplish it.
There were some tweets that McCloughan liked Scott Cambell's work. It sure sounded like he was not going anywhere.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
Nor should they be. The synergy of adding Bill Callahan and Brandon Scherff in one big off-season swoop will instantly erase a lot of what made the Redskin offense lackluster.
You guys are going to love Scherff.
He's a guy who totally fits that old school Hogs image. He's instantly one of the strongest head-to-toe linemen in the league, and he's crazy passionate about constantly improving and helping his team -- at least he was here in Iowa, and I don't see any evidence that'll be changing any time soon.Didn't Scot have a say in drafting Russell Wison? Isn't that considered a pretty important position?
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Tbh the point about offensive skill players being a McCloughan weak spot seems fair to me when you look at his rosters, but that's also sorta nitpicky if you think he's got one of the best track records of any of the recent era GMs (I personally do). I also agree with MattFancy that it's our strong spot (outside of QB) for the time being anyways though, just really need to get the QB situation figured out.
I know the Seahawks are really big on SPARQ metrics, not sure if McCloughan is? Not sure how much of their roster is Schneider and how much is McCloughan, but it's obviously very good - I'll refrain from commenting on their WRs so I can avoid Doug Baldwin's wrath.
I know the Seahawks are really big on SPARQ metrics, not sure if McCloughan is? Not sure how much of their roster is Schneider and how much is McCloughan, but it's obviously very good - I'll refrain from commenting on their WRs so I can avoid Doug Baldwin's wrath.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I thought I had read before that the scouting department was often ignored by previous coaches and GMs. That the scouting department would do their jobs, turn in rankings/grades and then head coaches and GMs (and owner) would just pick/sign whoever they had in mind in the first place.
Does anyone else remember hearing/reading this?
MattFancy
Footballguy
I remember Bruce alluding to that last year when he sort of named himself GM. He praised Campbell/Brown for their work on scouting guys, but kinda hinted that Shanahan would just do what he wanted.
Interesting tidbits from Jay Gruden and comments from Rich Tandler. Here is the link:
http://realredskins.com/2015/05/12/gruden-expects-impact-from-the-redskins-two-rookie-wide-receivers/
http://realredskins.com/2015/05/12/gruden-expects-impact-from-the-redskins-two-rookie-wide-receivers/
Sebowski
Footballguy
Disagree with the bolded. As long as they pass with him on the field it works. They don't have to throw him the ball.
On the radio today, Kevin Sheehan said that if Fowler was on the board at pick 5, the Redskins would have traded down with Atlanta, hoping Scheff would fall to #8. However, people are now hearing that Scheff was high on the Jets draft board, ahead of Leonard Williams. If Scheff was gone at #8, the next player of the Redskin's draft board was RB Todd Gurley, who apparently was high on a lot of draft boards.
Given how much grief the Redskins got on this board for taking an OL at #5, imagine what the reaction would be to trade down and end up with Gurley at #8.
Given how much grief the Redskins got on this board for taking an OL at #5, imagine what the reaction would be to trade down and end up with Gurley at #8.
dehaven123
Footballguy
curious what they would have gotten back for a 3 spot slide down...
if that had played out, then mcloughan must go!
Sebowski
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