Owens to Hold a Press Conference (1 Viewer)

[vinwinephans]

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Few comments - the team aspect for an NFL club versus a MLB club are too different for this to just blindly be applied across the board. Too much in baseball is an individual effort where as all of football is a team effort - every play is a design, part of a system that needs everyone on the same page.I was also thinking, while the NFL is a business, it is an entertainment business. We see this in movies and music all the time - a diva star has an ego the size of texas and they are terrible to deal with.

In the movies and music industry producers and follow actors/musicians put up with this sort of garbage all the time.

But again, the NFL is not the movies and they are not music. In both of those industries you can do-over a recording or taping session.... even after you are done recording, there is editing and enhancing of the final product.

In the NFL, there is no do-over. An interception, fumble, blown assignment or route, touch downs, etc etc are what they are the first time through. You need perfect execution for it to work. You NEED team play for it to work.

Nice try. But, there is no reason why players can't hate each other and still run good routes. Moreover, no one denies that TO is an excellent route runner and that he gave his all on every down.So I guess I don't see your point other than trying to ra ra the team aspect over the business aspect.

Nice try? What exactly did you make as a point other than to throw your Bobby Cox analogy out there. An anology using a Baseball Team that has been to the post season how many times and has, what, one championship to show for it?I was not asking for your blessing on my opinion. I offered it and I stand by it.

You saying nice try will not change it?

What does running a team like a business mean to you? Running a team like a business means making money - making money means you need to win - in order to win you need a stable and grounded locker room. So again, how does keeping TO make a sound business decision?

I fail to see your point.

And I see no evidence to support your assumption that winning needs a "stable and grounded locker room." That is nice rhetoric, but winning needs good players willing to give their all on the field. What happens off the field should not matter as long as the player is giving his all during game time and practice; which TO always has.

Because it takes a common focus as well. You say it simply takes skill players, playing hard when it counts. Prove it.

The Eagles, McNabb and TO have been playing that line all season and look where it has gotten him.

There is another ingredient to success - FOCUS. Success here is about team success, not individual.

Nothing about TO is focused on the common goal. TO is focused only on his own goals.

That is why he was dismissed. Will the Eagles win more? Who knows. There are other elements at play. But keeping TO in a looking room causing dissention (that is part of a team's focus too) is not the answer.

 

[Bailiver]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.

But I am here to say: He is right.

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

Just ask Hugh, Troy, and Jeremiah et all.

Owens would like the Eagles to pony up with money that will most definitley be there come 2006.

If you are a fan of the game and great players then you have to see Owens is worth the bread.

The Eagles hold all the cards and have shown how they play their hand before. He could be great all season, as he was last year. Then get cut when he doesn't agree to restructure his deal on that bonus $.

The Eagles get another great year, and a year to develope the guys behind him, and he gets the same thing he has now. A guarantee of being someplace else.

And that team will get to say, "Sorry, you are a 32 year old WR and we are not paying you $7.5m in bonus money.

Again, his M.O.A. is terrible.

His point is accurate.

I keep forgetting that the Eagles put a gun to his head and made him sign that contract. And, if memory serves, it was the same gun that TO used against Baltimore when he screwed them.

 

[Wreckincrew]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.

But I am here to say: He is right.

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

Sounds like he should have heeded the advice of the player association and not left this bonus virtually unpayable. Not the team's problem.

No it is not. But lets not forget that the Eagles took advantage of TO needing to sign a deal and get out of dodge because of his prior agent. Then the prior agent negotiates a deal the NFLPA tells him is trash. The Eagles took a risk on a player with issues and then used all the leverage they had to sign him to a questionable deal. They were just asking for TO to explode, and he did.TO is a jerk and he is wrong, but lets be honest and fault the eagles for handling this poorly from day 1.

Wasn't TO signed by SF and had played a year under a 6 or 7 year long contract with them before he was traded?

 

[B-Deep]

I keep forgetting that the Eagles put a gun to his head and made him sign that contract. And, if memory serves, it was the same gun that TO used against Baltimore when he screwed them.

No, but they used every ounce of leverage they had. they decided to add a high risk person to the team and took advantage of the position he was in to give a questionable contract. They gambled and it has come back to bite them on the behind.

 

[Sweeper]

Since the first infraction, the Eagles gave TO a documented list of complaints and what he could and could not do. They have been documenting his behavior, and they say if he pushes this union thing, they will suspend him twice. That's right, they believe they have enough ammo to suspend him twice for four games each with so many incidents...which would mean no pay for the rest of the season, not just for four games.

This is where the lawers come in handy ... I would have serious doubts if he can be suspended two times consecutively all for previous infractions. From a legal perspective I would imagine it to be difficult to say:

"You are now being suspended for 4 games for these reasons .... "

then after that 4 game susupension saying that:

"You are now being suspended for 4 games for earlier 'infractions', one commited previous to those listed in your first suspension"

I would not be surprised if the Eagles tried to pull this ... but I dont think that they can get away with it (or wont be able to in the end).

And this is why I said in a few earlier posts that I can imagine the Iggles have a full time team of lawers around, brainstorming on ..... "how to stick it to TO". A sort of, what else can we do to fug with him" team/session.

Worrying about the technical aspect/language of what they do (inactive or suspended, paid or not, made inactive or droped etc....)

 

[Wreckincrew]

What the heck does this black dot thing actually mean?

 

[suchislife]

Anyone have an internet feed link for this?

Google 610 wip and go to their homepage. There's a link to listen live. They are carrying the press conference.

 

[R. Duke]

What the heck does this black dot thing actually mean?

 

[Warpig]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

 

[radballs.]

Anyone have an internet feed link for this?

Google 610 wip and go to their homepage. There's a link to listen live. They are carrying the press conference.

Gracias.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

[inigo montoya]I do not think it means what you think it means

[/inigo montoya]

It is latin for "this for that" and is often used in ethics circles to account for actions determined as punishable in accord with ontological grounds. Having a skewed view of morals is not enough to determine that one is a jerk, in fact, because of the subjectivity of the term jerk, there more than likey is no common ground from which to accuse another of being a jerk. Thus . . .

The only way I've ever heard it used is in the context of something or some favor being given in exchange for something else.Then again, I haven't spent much time in an Ethics Circle discussing "Jerk"

 

[B-Deep]

Wasn't TO signed by SF and had played a year under a 6 or 7 year long contract with them before he was traded?

TO was going to be a free agent till his moron of an agent forgot to file the papers, at which point he was still subject to the old niners contract. That is what caused the arbitration, and there was a good chance TO was going to win, otherwise the NFL would not have encouraged a deal.The whole situation was a mess, and it was TOs fault (or his agents). none the less, the Eagles had a lot more contract leverage then they would have had trying to sign him as a free agent. They used that, got themselves a nicely structured contract with a big $$ figure and an escape clause, and TO and his idiot agent were ok with it.

Then Drew comes in, the eagles don;t win a super bowl, TO imagines McNabb dissed him and things roll down hill.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

No way. I would have to believe he's going to come in and talk about how everybody screwed him over and he's the innocent victim who people are picking on.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

I think if he did that, the Eagles would probably own his rights for the next 5 years, yet wouldn't have to pay him his salary... I'm just guessing based on what happend to Ricky "makin' the minimum" Williams when he wanted to come back to football.

 

[suchislife]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

Nah, strictly damage control for next year's contract.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

What the heck does this black dot thing actually mean?

I've seen some very established posters do it, so I thought I'd try it. Actually, I'm just marking the thread so that I can easily find it later by looking for the "black dot" on the envelope on the Shark Pool main page.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

 

[Irish]

What do you all think? Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure. Maybe TO figured this was the only way out of his contract and has no problem sitting out a year. But as I understand the situation, the players union needs to see that TO was not fulfilling his contract. Interestingly, no one doubts his work ethic or questions that he plays at 100% all the time. "Causing problems for team morale" seems very subjective at best, what is not is that TO played at the level demanded of him by his contract.

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others." I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team. Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Again, the Eagles gain nothing by cutting TO. He can make public comments whether he's a member of the Eagles or not. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the Eagles decided to honor TO's contract, and pay him, but sit him through the duration of it ? Talk about ruining a career.

Yeah TO would really hate getting paid millions of dollars while sitting on some tropical beach. Get real.

 

[strykerpks]

What the heck does this black dot thing actually mean?

I've seen some very established posters do it, so I thought I'd try it. Actually, I'm just marking the thread so that I can easily find it later by looking for the "black dot" on the envelope on the Shark Pool main page.

Exactly....Just an FYI

 

[Jason Wood]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

He most certainly won't do that...Eagles retain his rights for the life of his contract were he to retire.I'm sure the press conference is to discuss the suspension, his disappointment and his belief that it's unfair. The NFLPA is going to fight this I'm sure, and knowing Drew and TO, they may even "threaten" to have TO show up for work after his suspension is over and create havok in an effort to make Philadelphia waive him.

 

[JohnnyU]

What do you all think?  Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure.  Maybe TO figured this was the only way out of his contract and has no problem sitting out a year.  But as I understand the situation, the players union needs to see that TO was not fulfilling his contract.  Interestingly, no one doubts his work ethic or questions that he plays at 100% all the time.  "Causing problems for team morale" seems very subjective at best, what is not is that TO played at the level demanded of him by his contract. 

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Again, the Eagles gain nothing by cutting TO. He can make public comments whether he's a member of the Eagles or not. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the Eagles decided to honor TO's contract, and pay him, but sit him through the duration of it ? Talk about ruining a career.

Yeah TO would really hate getting paid millions of dollars while sitting on some tropical beach. Get real.

What TO loves is playing football and being in the limelight. Yes, that is more important to TO than sitting on some beach. I know what I said wouldn't happen, but it would be funny.

 

[B-Deep]

What TO loves is playing football and being in the limelight. Yes, that is more important to TO than sitting on some beach. I know what I said wouldn't happen, but it would be funny.

What TO Loves:1 - TO

2 - Attention

3 - $$$$

4 - More TO

 

[JohnnyU]

What TO loves is playing football and being in the limelight.  Yes, that is more important to TO than sitting on some beach.  I know what I said wouldn't happen, but it would be funny.

What TO Loves:1 - TO

2 - Attention

3 - $$$$

4 - More TO

 

[belyeapower]

What TO loves is playing football and being in the limelight. Yes, that is more important to TO than sitting on some beach. I know what I said wouldn't happen, but it would be funny.

What TO Loves:1 - TO

2 - Attention

3 - $$$$

4 - More TO

TO LOVES and

 

[Mungo Burrows]

What TO loves is playing football and being in the limelight. Yes, that is more important to TO than sitting on some beach. I know what I said wouldn't happen, but it would be funny.

What TO Loves:1 - TO

2 - Attention

3 - $$$$

4 - More TO

"I love me some me!"

 

[P Boy]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement? I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

LOFL! Yeah, I'm sure Rosenhaus stopped counting his $Ms & showed up for just for that.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Does anyone suspect he may announce his retirement?  I wonder if there is a loophole in there somewhere...or if he seriously walks away.

He most certainly won't do that...Eagles retain his rights for the life of his contract were he to retire.I'm sure the press conference is to discuss the suspension, his disappointment and his belief that it's unfair. The NFLPA is going to fight this I'm sure, and knowing Drew and TO, they may even "threaten" to have TO show up for work after his suspension is over and create havok in an effort to make Philadelphia waive him.

That was what I was trying to ask.Thanks Wood, you da man.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Mama McNabb needs to show up at the news conference, grab TO by the ear, drag his butt around the room, then start smacking the crap outta him like a good mother should.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Mama McNabb needs to show up at the news conference, grab TO by the ear, drag his butt around the room, then start smacking the crap outta him like a good mother should.

Would she have a soup can with her while wearing a McNabb jersey with no name on it? Also, we need to find out what TO is going to wear. I have a bet going he puts on an opponent's jersey of some kind.

 

[Hue G]

Does anyone know a website where I could watch or listen to the press conference on the internet?

 

[BlueOnion]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

I am pretty sure T.O. wanted this structure, without this structure T.O. would be locked in as an Eagle for 5 to 7 years. The current format of the contract forces the Eagles to make a decision about T.O. after year 2; either give him a boat load of money in roster bonus and annual salary or allow T.O. to file for free agency, in which he could sign a new super-lucrative contract - the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

 

[Sweeper]

Is this going to be broadcasted on TV at all? NFL network, ESPN, et cetera, et cetera ???

 

[JohnnyU]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

....and still is, only worse.

 

[mchmura89]

Mama McNabb needs to show up at the news conference, grab TO by the ear, drag his butt around the room, then start smacking the crap outta him like a good mother should.

Would she have a soup can with her while wearing a McNabb jersey with no name on it? Also, we need to find out what TO is going to wear. I have a bet going he puts on an opponent's jersey of some kind.

He should wear a Ravens jersey.

 

[BlueOnion]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

....and still is, only worse.

This is the way I see it. T.O. had a legit plan after he left San Francisco and everything was coming together for him until he threw it all away.

 

[Pied Piper]

Mama McNabb needs to show up at the news conference, grab TO by the ear, drag his butt around the room, then start smacking the crap outta him like a good mother should.

Would she have a soup can with her while wearing a McNabb jersey with no name on it? Also, we need to find out what TO is going to wear. I have a bet going he puts on an opponent's jersey of some kind.

He should wear a Ravens jersey.

 

[B-Deep]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

I am pretty sure T.O. wanted this structure, without this structure T.O. would be locked in as an Eagle for 5 to 7 years. The current format of the contract forces the Eagles to make a decision about T.O. after year 2; either give him a boat load of money in roster bonus and annual salary or allow T.O. to file for free agency, in which he could sign a new super-lucrative contract - the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

I guess we agree to disagree. I think TO wants money up front, not in huge roster bonuses that the eagles will never pay. And his rep was not why he could not sign the big deal, he could not sign it because he was not a free agent.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I've got the feed to 610 WIP on now. (awaiting press conference)

 

[BlueOnion]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

I am pretty sure T.O. wanted this structure, without this structure T.O. would be locked in as an Eagle for 5 to 7 years. The current format of the contract forces the Eagles to make a decision about T.O. after year 2; either give him a boat load of money in roster bonus and annual salary or allow T.O. to file for free agency, in which he could sign a new super-lucrative contract - the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

I guess we agree to disagree. I think TO wants money up front, not in huge roster bonuses that the eagles will never pay.

Could you at least tell me one reason why a club would insist on putting a 7.5 million roster bonus in year 3 of a 7 year contract? What do they possibly have to gain by this?

 

[suchislife]

I've got the feed to 610 WIP on now. (awaiting press conference)

www.610wip.comFormat will be T.O. reading a prepared statement, then Rosenhaus will read a statement and answer questions from the media....per the radio station.

 

[JaxBill]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

I am pretty sure T.O. wanted this structure, without this structure T.O. would be locked in as an Eagle for 5 to 7 years. The current format of the contract forces the Eagles to make a decision about T.O. after year 2; either give him a boat load of money in roster bonus and annual salary or allow T.O. to file for free agency, in which he could sign a new super-lucrative contract - the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

I guess we agree to disagree. I think TO wants money up front, not in huge roster bonuses that the eagles will never pay.

Could you at least tell me one reason why a club would insist on putting a 7.5 million roster bonus in year 3 of a 7 year contract? What do they possibly have to gain by this?

This way the team has more leverage and they're not held hostage by the player i.e. Redskins - Lav Coles this year before Coles agreed to repay signing bonus.More money up front = bigger cap hit when released = more leverage for player. Given TO's history, would you blindly give him a huge bonus with no leverage in case he is "unhappy" again?

 

[B-Deep]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

I am pretty sure T.O. wanted this structure, without this structure T.O. would be locked in as an Eagle for 5 to 7 years. The current format of the contract forces the Eagles to make a decision about T.O. after year 2; either give him a boat load of money in roster bonus and annual salary or allow T.O. to file for free agency, in which he could sign a new super-lucrative contract - the same super-lucrative contract he originally wanted to sign leaving San Francisco but was not in position to ask for with what his reputation was at the time.

I guess we agree to disagree. I think TO wants money up front, not in huge roster bonuses that the eagles will never pay.

Could you at least tell me one reason why a club would insist on putting a 7.5 million roster bonus in year 3 of a 7 year contract? What do they possibly have to gain by this?

Because it makes the bottom line on the contract almost 8 million dollars higher by putting in a roster bonus they never intend to pay. Obviously the player looks better and feels better signing the deal with a higher $$$ atached, even if they won't get the actual cashor

Because the malcontent that they want to add won't sign the 2-3 year deal they want to sign, so they pretend to committ long term without doing it?

or

To lower the signing bonus by adding a roster bonus that kicks in later, thus not hitting the salary cap in the first couple of years

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Please provide updates from the press conference, if it warrants it. Thanks.

 

[Sweeper]

This is going to be on the NFL NETWORK TO will read a prepared statment and then questions will be answered by Drew RosenfoolThis is the smartest decision that TO's team has made .... not letting TO talk to reporters!

 

[SKIDMARK]

Its on ESPN right now live.

 

[Sweeper]

Isnt he supposed to be dressed in "business casual" attire??Instead of looking like a bum .... well, dressing like I do???"He is a football player and that is what I do" ... opening statment And now it is all appologies!

 

[dickey moe]

Can't believe how conciliatory T.O. is being right now.

 

[smcindoe]

Sounds like he wants to come back this year.

 

[BigJim®]

Rumor has it Terrell Ownes just apologized to everyone in the world, including me.I accept your apology TO.

 

[Lord of Football]

He's sorry to everyone on earth.