Owens to Hold a Press Conference (1 Viewer)

[bts4bkfst]

Sal Pal ... . on ESPN reporting

"just talk to Eagles .... there is no way TO is coming back"

"while there is a clause to take back the 1+ mil signing bonus we dont want to ... we just want to be done with him"

If they really "want to be done with him" why don't they just release him?Clearly they don't want to be done with him, at least not yet, so why not just be honest and say they are not letting him play to punish him?

Not to mention all those that drafted him in FF

Because if they release him, they get nothing for him. There is bound to be some stupid team out there that is willing to give something up (like a second rounder), for Owens.

no way do they get a second rounder for TO.

Agreed. Why would anybody give up a high pick for him when the Eagles are gonna release him anyway? My only thoughts are to:

A. Punish him ala Keyshawn.

B. Prevent him from signing with another team and having to face him this year

exact-a-mundo the reason they don't release him is because he would most likely sign for the minimum for the remainder of the year with a team that has a VERY good chance of going to the subpar bowl. They are not going to let that happen.

 

[shining path]

So is there any chance in hell he plays again this year? Maybe some backstage grovelling and promises to be mute for the rest of the season. I really need that guy for fantasy football purposes, idiot or not.

 

[ericttspikes]

Because if they release him, they get nothing for him.  There is bound to be some stupid team out there that is willing to give something up (like a second rounder), for Owens.

This is not true. They cannot trade him because the trade deadline has passed. If they want to keep him next year they would have to pay him an $8million roster bonus which they won't do. The Eagles are going to get nothing for TO.

That is why I can't believe the NFLPA will stand pat on this. This was done out of malice, just because the Eagles think they can do it. As you mentioned, they had no desire to re-sign him this summer, they knew he was a jerk then and when they signed him, and now they get to take back $1mil and let him rot for the season (he isn't getting younger) just because he isn't a nice guy?Is TO really the first NFL player to not like some of his team mates and be pissed at management? I really find that hard to believe. I believe this is really going to cause problems between the owners and the players union. TO certainly isn't the only jerk out there. Larry Johnson seems like a lot to handle, and there are many others. I'd be interested to see the definition of "conduct detremental to the team" and how specific it is. Seems like a huge grey area, a legal loophole.

 

[gman8343]

So is there any chance in hell he plays again this year? Maybe some backstage grovelling and promises to be mute for the rest of the season. I really need that guy for fantasy football purposes, idiot or not.

About as much a chance as peace in the Middle East.

 

[ericttspikes]

Because if they release him, they get nothing for him.  There is bound to be some stupid team out there that is willing to give something up (like a second rounder), for Owens.

This is not true. They cannot trade him because the trade deadline has passed. If they want to keep him next year they would have to pay him an $8million roster bonus which they won't do. The Eagles are going to get nothing for TO.

They can't trade him this year, but they can try to trade him in the offseason. They will probably still have to cut him because nobody will trade for somebody they know will be cut anyway.As for cutting him now, they don't want him to end up on any team they are competing against. There is no guarantee that won't happen.

I agree, but think that is hypocritical if TO is the cancer and team wrecker they proclaim. If he is all that, let him go and wreck an opponents team. They are fining him and paying him to sit home to screw him.

 

[redman]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

 

[culdeus]

Remind me in 10 words or less what happened at the end of his SF stint.

 

[ericttspikes]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

All I know is the the CBA is up in 2008 and the NFLPA will have something to say in all of this. This is bad for the players (regardless if you like TO or no) but great for management. If let to stand, I can see the NFLPA really have a problem with extending the CBA.

 

[redman]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

All I know is the the CBA is up in 2008 and the NFLPA will have something to say in all of this. This is bad for the players (regardless if you like TO or no) but great for management. If let to stand, I can see the NFLPA really have a problem with extending the CBA.

Based upon two players who aren't even very well liked among their peers? I don't agree. If the league makes this a deal-breaking issue, then I don't see the NFLPA making a stand on this for the likes of guys like Keyshawn and TO.

 

[Sweeper]

Because if they release him, they get nothing for him.  There is bound to be some stupid team out there that is willing to give something up (like a second rounder), for Owens.

This is not true. They cannot trade him because the trade deadline has passed. If they want to keep him next year they would have to pay him an $8million roster bonus which they won't do. The Eagles are going to get nothing for TO.

That is why I can't believe the NFLPA will stand pat on this. This was done out of malice, just because the Eagles think they can do it. As you mentioned, they had no desire to re-sign him this summer, they knew he was a jerk then and when they signed him, and now they get to take back $1mil and let him rot for the season (he isn't getting younger) just because he isn't a nice guy?Is TO really the first NFL player to not like some of his team mates and be pissed at management? I really find that hard to believe. I believe this is really going to cause problems between the owners and the players union. TO certainly isn't the only jerk out there. Larry Johnson seems like a lot to handle, and there are many others. I'd be interested to see the definition of "conduct detremental to the team" and how specific it is. Seems like a huge grey area, a legal loophole.

I don't think that this all came about because "TO is not a nice guy". He is not ... not a nice guy, he is just .... ummm.... well, he is not that bright! He opens his mouth before talking and his actions (and words) have never caught up with him before.

So as a spoiled 'boy king' as I have been saying in all these posts ... he just never even thought, never even comprehended what his mouth was doing to him.

So IMO there is a vast difference between being ... not so bright and being a bad guy!

 

[BigJim®]

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose; and sometimes when you lose, you really win; and sometimes when you lose or win, you actually tie."

 

[mad sweeney]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

All I know is the the CBA is up in 2008 and the NFLPA will have something to say in all of this. This is bad for the players (regardless if you like TO or no) but great for management. If let to stand, I can see the NFLPA really have a problem with extending the CBA.

I don't see how he's being spitefully punished when they're letting him keep close to $2 illion they COULD go after. Not releasing him is simply a matter of not letting another team utilize him this year. He gets paid, his services are clear, no need to "audition" for another team. We all know what he can do and no team is going to underpay him next year because they didn't see him play the rest of this year. He had clear contract language and violated it. The best thing the NFLPA can do is caution it's players to live up to the riders they signed on their contracts.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Did T.O. apologize to his fantasy owners?  I could use one.

I think his apology is perfectly sufficient. Please let him back. Please oh please oh please let him back. Please?

 

[ericttspikes]

I don't see how he's being spitefully punished when they're letting him keep close to $2 illion they COULD go after. Not releasing him is simply a matter of not letting another team utilize him this year. He gets paid, his services are clear, no need to "audition" for another team. We all know what he can do and no team is going to underpay him next year because they didn't see him play the rest of this year. He had clear contract language and violated it. The best thing the NFLPA can do is caution it's players to live up to the riders they signed on their contracts.

I haven't seen TO's contract. Do you know what the language is that he violated? This is what I found on the NFLPA site regarding detrimental conduct. It's a pretty cool site.Conduct Policy

General Policy

Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator. The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.

Prohibited Conduct

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...A+Complete#art8

 

[redman]

I haven't seen TO's contract. Do you know what the language is that he violated? This is what I found on the NFLPA site regarding detrimental conduct. It's a pretty cool site.

Conduct Policy

General Policy

Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator. The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.

Prohibited Conduct

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...A+Complete#art8

He violated the "conduct detrimental to the team" language, repeatedly. The fact that there are those general rules that the NFLPA chooses to highlight on its own site proves nothing here. I'm not sure why you're fighting so hard for this guy. Drew, is that you?

 

[larry_boy_44]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

Green Bay would take him and let him talk all he wants as long as he catches the damn football...

 

[supa mann]

In terms of next year and beyond I have a question in regards to trading TO. Didn't Dallas have to trade for Keyshaun when they got him from the Bucs? Didn't they give Galloway for Key or something like that? I ask this and realize their contracts are probably different, but if there are enough suitors, I would tend to think Philly at least has a chance to get something for TO. TO has done far worse than Keyshaun, but TO is also far superior to Keyshaun in ability. I hate to even think it, but if there is a market for a Keyshaun (and Dallas didn't waste a second grabbing him), then there will certainly be teams like them jumping for TO when he comes available. I wouldn't even rule Dallas out :X Keyshaun has been a model boy in Dallas and I am sure guys like Rosenpuffer will point this out. "labeled bad boy, turned good, story"I think we have all forgotten how hated TO was when he dissed the Niners organization, Jerry Rice, Jeff Garcia and then to complete the cycle, completely dissed the Ravens. Still Philly took a big gamble on him and felt they could control the tool. Look at how conservative a team Philly is and they took a flyer on him. Bottom line is, someone will definitely take a chance on him, IMO. TO will whine about what he has to play for, but he will get what he earned and will eventually accept the best he can get.

 

[packersfan]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

Green Bay would take him and let him talk all he wants as long as he catches the damn football...

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[larry_boy_44]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

Green Bay would take him and let him talk all he wants as long as he catches the damn football...

Ain't gonna happen.

can't I dream though??Favre to TO, Walker, Driver, & Ferguson next year???

who needs a running game???

 

[ericttspikes]

I haven't seen TO's contract. Do you know what the language is that he violated? This is what I found on the NFLPA site regarding detrimental conduct. It's a pretty cool site.

Conduct Policy

General Policy

Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator. The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.

Prohibited Conduct

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...A+Complete#art8

He violated the "conduct detrimental to the team" language, repeatedly. The fact that there are those general rules that the NFLPA chooses to highlight on its own site proves nothing here. I'm not sure why you're fighting so hard for this guy. Drew, is that you?

I'm looking for that language you're referring to, could you post a link? This is all I could find on the NFLPA site.I actually just interested in labor laws and specifically how they might apply here. I'm not "fighting" for anyone. I do think the guy is a big dumb jerk, but one who is getting raked over.

 

[suchislife]

Just got home and I'm now seeing some of the video... Funniest moment is when the question is asked to Rosenhaus "What have you done for your client besides getting him kicked off the team?"...Owens smiles, looks at the reporter, and winks.

 

[brewerjoe]

I hate the fact that this guy is going to be paid to sit at home and do nothing. I would love to see them make him come back to the team after the suspension and practice with guys that he KNOWS dislike him. They could bench him and wait for him to do something else 'detrimental to the team' (I'm sure they wouldn't be waiting long), and then they could suspend him again WITHOUT PAY. As has been already stated, Philly doesn't have a reasonable shot at the SB this year anyway.

 

[3nOut]

can't I dream though??

Favre to TO, Walker, Driver, & Ferguson next year???

who needs a running game???

who's to say that Favre will be there next year. I'd laugh if TO goes to GB only to have Favre retire.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm really interested to see how the NFLPA works this out. The precedence has been set by the Bucs, but I still don't see how being a class A jerk can cost you this much money and have your career screwed with. Cut the guys, yes, but string him along an not allow him to shop his talents on the open market and take $1mil. from him? I just don't see how this much power can be wielded by management. This is something that can easily be abused by ownership in the future.

Try being a first class jerk in your job, and insult your superiors and workmates, and see how much consideration you get from the company. TO still has some trade value, which is why they didn't release him.

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

I'd like just one example of an NFL contract that was or circumvented.

 

[larry_boy_44]

can't I dream though??

Favre to TO, Walker, Driver, & Ferguson next year???

who needs a running game???

who's to say that Favre will be there next year. I'd laugh if TO goes to GB only to have Favre retire.

to throw to Walker, TO, Driver, & Fergie I would be wiling to garuntee he would come back..

 

[3nOut]

can't I dream though??

Favre to TO, Walker, Driver, & Ferguson next year???

who needs a running game???

who's to say that Favre will be there next year. I'd laugh if TO goes to GB only to have Favre retire.

to throw to Walker, TO, Driver, & Fergie I would be wiling to garuntee he would come back..

I'm not so sure. If he started getting on Walker's case and didn't want to put up with his BS, I can't see Favre putting up with TO.

 

[vinwinephans]

In terms of next year and beyond I have a question in regards to trading TO. Didn't Dallas have to trade for Keyshaun when they got him from the Bucs? Didn't they give Galloway for Key or something like that?

I ask this and realize their contracts are probably different, but if there are enough suitors, I would tend to think Philly at least has a chance to get something for TO. TO has done far worse than Keyshaun, but TO is also far superior to Keyshaun in ability. I hate to even think it, but if there is a market for a Keyshaun (and Dallas didn't waste a second grabbing him), then there will certainly be teams like them jumping for TO when he comes available. I wouldn't even rule Dallas out :X Keyshaun has been a model boy in Dallas and I am sure guys like Rosenpuffer will point this out. "labeled bad boy, turned good, story"

I think we have all forgotten how hated TO was when he dissed the Niners organization, Jerry Rice, Jeff Garcia and then to complete the cycle, completely dissed the Ravens. Still Philly took a big gamble on him and felt they could control the tool. Look at how conservative a team Philly is and they took a flyer on him. Bottom line is, someone will definitely take a chance on him, IMO. TO will whine about what he has to play for, but he will get what he earned and will eventually accept the best he can get.

I don't think this can happen unless somehow a competitive market emerges for TO before the Eagles have to pay the roster bonus in early spring. It's the roster bonus that will lead the Eagles to cut him and it's the roster bonus that may lend to potential suitors waiting for him to become a free agent rather than pay for him and risk him not being happy with where he landed and what you are offering in terms of a contract.

 

[saabcaptain]

Did TO specifically apologize to McNabb?

oh yeah. he singled out pretty much everyone in the greater Philly area and apologized. it *almost* sounded sincere. *THEN* Drew stepped to the mike and reminded everyone that TO needs to stay gone if only so the Eagles don't have to talk to that a**.

 

[saabcaptain]

This press conference and apology was for next season. Both TO and Drew know that the Eagles will NOT accept him back unless forced to do so after next week's hearing. TO is laying the ground work in hopes of landing one more big contract.

The Eagles *can't* be forced to play him. Best case scenario for TO is that the legal minds at the NFL find that he shouldn't have been suspended and then he gets all of his pay... but the Eagles will sit him for the entire season anyway, just have to pay him the full salary instead of knocking off 4 games.

 

[saabcaptain]

I haven't seen this one yet but how did it compare to the interview they held on the couch a few months ago?

TO sounded sane this time reading from a script. then Drew stepped to the mike and made this a three ring circus like an insane clown gone even more nutty.

 

[jwvdcw]

Far-fetched (but possible) hypothetical:

At this 3pm press-conference, T.O. issues a public apology to the Eagles organization and players in general, and also specifically to Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid, and Hugh Douglas.

He also indicates that he would like the opportunity to personally and privately apologize to the same.

He shows (what appears to be) sincere contrition and explains that he will do WHATEVER it takes to get back on the field as soon as possible.

Does he play again for the Eagles?

If so, how soon?

How likely is this scenario (in percent)?

 

[B-Deep]

In terms of next year and beyond I have a question in regards to trading TO. Didn't Dallas have to trade for Keyshaun when they got him from the Bucs? Didn't they give Galloway for Key or something like that?

I ask this and realize their contracts are probably different, but if there are enough suitors, I would tend to think Philly at least has a chance to get something for TO. TO has done far worse than Keyshaun, but TO is also far superior to Keyshaun in ability. I hate to even think it, but if there is a market for a Keyshaun (and Dallas didn't waste a second grabbing him), then there will certainly be teams like them jumping for TO when he comes available. I wouldn't even rule Dallas out :X Keyshaun has been a model boy in Dallas and I am sure guys like Rosenpuffer will point this out. "labeled bad boy, turned good, story"

I think we have all forgotten how hated TO was when he dissed the Niners organization, Jerry Rice, Jeff Garcia and then to complete the cycle, completely dissed the Ravens. Still Philly took a big gamble on him and felt they could control the tool. Look at how conservative a team Philly is and they took a flyer on him. Bottom line is, someone will definitely take a chance on him, IMO. TO will whine about what he has to play for, but he will get what he earned and will eventually accept the best he can get.

Keyshawn was under contractTO will not be after...march i think...unless the eagles pay him an $8,000,000 bonus. They WILL NOT pay 8 mil to try and trade him.

 

[jwvdcw]

Drew's doing an awful job.

couldn't disagree more. Taking attention off TO, and putting it on himself.

 

[raceguy]

In terms of next year and beyond I have a question in regards to trading TO. Didn't Dallas have to trade for Keyshaun when they got him from the Bucs? Didn't they give Galloway for Key or something like that?

True, but that was a little different situation.Dallas really didn't have to anything. They could have just waited for TB to waive him. Keyshawn publicly stated that he was going to sign with Dallas and play for Parcells. The Bucs were still playing games while he was shopping for a house in Dallas.

Galloway was due a big roster bonus and was going to be waived as well since he never really produced. So the teams made a trade (agreed upon by both players) that was mutually beneficial.

If you ask me, the trade just expidited the entire process since Tampa was probably the most logical destination for Galloway should he have been waived.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

I'm glad TO isn't a Sun Devil, baby.

 

[malakai]

Drew's doing an awful job.

couldn't disagree more. Taking attention off TO, and putting it on himself.

Yeah, nobody's talking about TO anymore.

 

[norseman9375]

The announcers for the Eagle/Redskins game said that Owens would become a Free Agent unless the Eagles picked up an option on his contract.

 

[ericttspikes]

I'm really interested to see how the NFLPA works this out. The precedence has been set by the Bucs, but I still don't see how being a class A jerk can cost you this much money and have your career screwed with. Cut the guys, yes, but string him along an not allow him to shop his talents on the open market and take $1mil. from him? I just don't see how this much power can be wielded by management. This is something that can easily be abused by ownership in the future.

Try being a first class jerk in your job, and insult your superiors and workmates, and see how much consideration you get from the company. TO still has some trade value, which is why they didn't release him.

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

I'd like just one example of an NFL contract that was or circumvented.

Player X has a 3 year contract and gets cut year 2.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

Green Bay would take him and let him talk all he wants as long as he catches the damn football...

 

[larry_boy_44]

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

There's no mystery here. This is a team game and he's urinated on every team that he's played for, including the last two starting QB's, one of whom is McNabb who's widely regarded as one of the classier guys around. That's 1/16 of the market for his services. You count Baltimore (who he agreed to play for and then backed out), Detroit (which has Garcia and Mariucci) and Dallas where he danced on the star, and now you're up to almost 15% of the league that he's crossed personally in some way. And this doesn't account for the general impression he's left around the league, much less the cap implications for his services which promise to be immense given his idiotically high opinion of himself. He's created a career crisis for himself. There's no one to blame here but himself.

He's got a league that is a monopoly but that has immunity from anti-trust laws. This is the wrong group to be playing this game with.

Green Bay would take him and let him talk all he wants as long as he catches the damn football...

just let him talk... don't pay attention....

the Eagles are just as much at fault for this mess at TO (if not more at fault)

 

[Ozymandias]

As you can see by some of the replies here, there will be some team who will say that TO is not at fault, and pay him big bucks to come and play for them.As P.T. Barnum said, there's one born every minute.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'm really interested to see how the NFLPA works this out. The precedence has been set by the Bucs, but I still don't see how being a class A jerk can cost you this much money and have your career screwed with. Cut the guys, yes, but string him along an not allow him to shop his talents on the open market and take $1mil. from him? I just don't see how this much power can be wielded by management. This is something that can easily be abused by ownership in the future.

Try being a first class jerk in your job, and insult your superiors and workmates, and see how much consideration you get from the company. TO still has some trade value, which is why they didn't release him.

You're right, you can get canned and collect unemployment and see what the market will offer for your services. Not too many real world jobs have contracts involved, but clearly the NFL contracts are barely worth the paper their written on as they can easily be circumvented. There are plenty of talented jerks in the real world who keep their jobs because they also perform (bring in biz, make the co. money, etc.). I know a lawyer who is the biggest waste of baby batter on the planet, who basically emotionally abuses his co-workers but he brings in the billable so he's o.k. Performance isn't the issue with TO. Being "nice" is. As far as we know, no drugs, beatings, murder charges, etc. Charges that some current NFL players have yet they are active today. It is a fascinating labor question.

I'd like just one example of an NFL contract that was or circumvented.

Player X has a 3 year contract and gets cut year 2.

Which is perfectly acceptable under the current NFL rules that the players association allowed. How was anything circumvented?

Just remember, those big signing bonuses the players like so much, impossible if you don't spread the money out over a long term contract. The players convienently forget about that when they try to use it as leverage to re-do their current deals though.

Of course, you probably already know that.....

 

[BlueOnion]

Player X has a 3 year contract and gets cut year 2.

This is such a tired argument and far from being inclusive of the whole truth. NFL contracts are two ways. The team has an obligation to pay the player what he wants in upfront money, money which can never be taken away from him provided he does his part of the contract. After the player receives his upfront money for doing nothing, he is subjected to lose his non-guaranteed money of annual salary in one of the following years.If you recall, Jeremiah Trotter gave back $0,000,000.00 of his signing bonus after the Washington Redskins released him. Can somebody tell me how this is unfair to the players?

 

[Loomba]

The worst part of this press conference was Drew's purple tie.He looked like a used car salesman, not a professional agent.Awful.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Ole Drew Rosenhaus is having an AWFUL 'off season' (as his season is really during the football player's off season).Bears LB Lance Briggs is one of his clients. He's got one year left on his deal, so I'm already expecting Briggs to hold out next season.

 

[thatguy]

I have to admit, I felt a little sorry for TO during the press conference. He looked like puppy who got kicked around by his owner after pissing on the sofa. I haven't read this whole thread, so this may have already been mentioned, but did anyone else notice TO start smiling and wink at someone when that reporter asked Rosenhaus what else he had done for TO in the past 5 months aside from getting him kicked off the team.Suffice it to say, after seeing him smile, I stopped feeling sorry for him.I don't understand the hate for Rosenhaus, though. He's just doing his job--and I think in general he does it very well. He loves TO. You heard him. It was very Jerry MacGuire-esque.

 

[BlueOnion]

Ole Drew Rosenhaus is having an AWFUL 'off season' (as his season is really during the football player's off season).

I think what people are saying is that his reputation among fans and front office personnel has gone unchanged. However, his preception that he can get his clients the best deal possible is starting to wane.Plaxico Buress last year...

Javon Walker not getting a new contract before getting hurt...

T.O. getting kicked off the team before getting a new contract...

 

[Limecuda]

Someone will take a chance. The main problem I see is if TO thought his deal was bad in Philly then he is really going to be upset with whatever deal he gets in the future. I doubt any team at this point will make the financial commitment Philly did.

 

[cobalt_27]

Ole Drew Rosenhaus is having an AWFUL 'off season' (as his season is really during the football player's off season).

I think what people are saying is that his reputation among fans and front office personnel has gone unchanged. However, his preception that he can get his clients the best deal possible is starting to wane.Plaxico Buress last year...

Javon Walker not getting a new contract before getting hurt...

T.O. getting kicked off the team before getting a new contract...

Seriously. Has there been a Drew Rosenhaus success story? Not saying there hasn't been. But, by my untrained eye on agents, it seems that everything he touches turns to dry stone wells.

 

[Shark Attack]

"I love black people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

what's up with this comment jackal?