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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)

Why would a team searching for a long-term solution at quarterback want Jimmy Gorrapolo?

I will start by making the case of one NFL QB skill that he displays that I really like.  He can make a pre-snap read and get rid of the ball quickly.

Unfortunately, once the play begins and he has to get into his second read he doesn't get rid of the ball quickly enough as he waits until his WR separates and breaks open before pulling the trigger.

On slow developing plays, he can buy time by stepping up into the pocket but you can question his pocket awareness if there is edge pressure.

He shows 'some' escapability but even if his receiver breaks open deep, his deep ball accuracy sucks.  It is bad.

His footwork looks solid up until the point of the game where he takes a decent shot and then afterward, he looks tentative and his short accuracy suffers.  Add, if he takes a really good shot he appears brittle.

Is anyone seriously making a case for Jimmy Gorrapolo to become an NFL franchise quarterback?

I don't see it.
Not sure if you read the article but the writer states ... "In that sense, it actually works to New England's benefit that Garoppolo has just six quarters as a starter to over-analyze. If there are warts, defenses had yet to expose them."

... but looks like you've spotted the warts ... or tumors as you describe them. Probably worth a 6th round pick?

Curious as to which rookie or free agent QB you suggest a CLE, CHI, SF to go after instead of Garopollo. Which one will be your "franchise QB"? Romo? Rookie?

 
Not sure if you read the article but the writer states ... "In that sense, it actually works to New England's benefit that Garoppolo has just six quarters as a starter to over-analyze. If there are warts, defenses had yet to expose them."

... but looks like you've spotted the warts ... or tumors as you describe them. Probably worth a 6th round pick?

Curious as to which rookie or free agent QB you suggest a CLE, CHI, SF to go after instead of Garopollo. Which one will be your "franchise QB"? Romo? Rookie?


Why so angry?

I'd take Glennon over Garopollo.  He's shown more with less, and he is a FA.

I'd also be willing to roll the dice with a couple of the rookies.  I agree with BS's assessment that Garopollo struggles as he is forced into his progression and/or is under pressure.  That's much more likely with another QB needy team than it is with the Pats.

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You can make the argument that 94 attempts isn't enough to evaluate someone.  It's a great argument in fact.

But you can't look at the result of those 94 attempts and try to use them against Garoppolo because the result of those 94 drop backs is top tier elite.  Especially if you adjust them for the quality of the defenses they came against.

He probably is going to get his fair share of dings though -- IMO he's in the mold of McNabb, Romo and ARod, and all those guys miss(ed) time regularly.

 
He got driven to the ground awkwardly on his shoulder, nothing unusual about it except that he only sprained his AC joint as opposed to breaking his shoulder.

Dumb luck both ways.

 
Dumb luck or not, that showed he already isn't great at protecting himself.  Durability is pretty important when it comes to the QB position.  It could have been a fluke thing, or it could be an indicator that he is another QB who doesn't understand that protecting himself and keeping himself on the field is very important.  Too early to tell, but it's a potential red flag. 

 
Yeah, the third year QB should mostly be worried about protecting himself in his 2nd career start when he knows he's got a four game window to (a) prove himself and (b) help the Patriots win games.  

He should've dropped to a knee at the first sign of pressure.

 
Dumb luck or not, that showed he already isn't great at protecting himself.  Durability is pretty important when it comes to the QB position.  It could have been a fluke thing, or it could be an indicator that he is another QB who doesn't understand that protecting himself and keeping himself on the field is very important.  Too early to tell, but it's a potential red flag. 
He didn't get hurt in college, so this is the first time he had a serious injury. One injury does not make him injury prone. 

 
Why so angry?

I'd take Glennon over Garopollo.  He's shown more with less, and he is a FA.

I'd also be willing to roll the dice with a couple of the rookies.  I agree with BS's assessment that Garopollo struggles as he is forced into his progression and/or is under pressure.  That's much more likely with another QB needy team than it is with the Pats.

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So Glennon is the franchise QB that your team is going to roll with for the next 4 or 5 years?

As a free agent, you own him for that duration. Guaranteed $ and cap hit. Not worthy of the starting job in TB. He's the guy that your building your team around?  Lol.

I'm just confused at where this criticism for Garappolo is coming from. I can't imagine it is firsthand accounts by my fellow Footballguys.

Have all of you watched his 6 qtrs of play? I watched all 6 of those qtrs. He looked like a Brady clone with better wheels.

Did he struggle with these issues his senior year in college? I didn't watch him there but this is what I've read

"He played college football at Eastern Illinois. As a senior in 2013, Garoppolo broke Tony Romo's school records for career passing touchdowns, yards and passing touchdowns in a season."

5000 yards, 360 per game. 53 TD's. ... Was he going to his first read when gaining all those stats?

He was worthy of a 2nd round pick out of college ... yet after 3 years of honing his skills he is not considered a better player?

Under contract and franchisable after that. 2 years of control and the option to walk away after one if need be. (unlike Osweiler ... or Glennon)

Just seems like people here want to hate on Garapollo because they're concerned the Pats will grow stronger without much sacrifice. 

 
I will start by saying I am not a NEP fan, but this is classic Supply and Demand, friends.

There are at least 4 teams desperate for a "franchise" QB.

I could make the argument for 6.... Cleveland, NYJ, Bears, Bills, Broncos, Cardinals

This is a down draft year for QBs. Why wouldn't one of these teams part with a top pick to get Garappolo, who has been learning in the best system in the entire NFL from the best QB of all time, for the past 3 years ?  I think he has all the tools to succeed in the NFL.

Someone will pay for Garoppolo, and I think it will be money / draft pick(s) well spent.

 
Its interesting to see in here that nearly every Pats fan in the pool (in addition to CCouch) is in here saying every QB needy team should pay through the nose for Garappolo. At the same time, none of you are saying the Pats should hold onto him. Brady may well be done in a year or 2. As you all realize, the Pats won't be getting any early 1st round draft picks while Brady is playing and will be hard pressed to find one when he is gone. If you really think Garap is the best QB short of Brady, you ought to be pushing to keep him for yourselves. The fact that you are all shouting to other teams 'trade for him, trade for him' rings a little bit hollow.

 
Its interesting to see in here that nearly every Pats fan in the pool (in addition to CCouch) is in here saying every QB needy team should pay through the nose for Garappolo. At the same time, none of you are saying the Pats should hold onto him. Brady may well be done in a year or 2. As you all realize, the Pats won't be getting any early 1st round draft picks while Brady is playing and will be hard pressed to find one when he is gone. If you really think Garap is the best QB short of Brady, you ought to be pushing to keep him for yourselves. The fact that you are all shouting to other teams 'trade for him, trade for him' rings a little bit hollow.
Wait until he gets traded.  The shine will be off his penny real quick. 

 
Its interesting to see in here that nearly every Pats fan in the pool (in addition to CCouch) is in here saying every QB needy team should pay through the nose for Garappolo. At the same time, none of you are saying the Pats should hold onto him. Brady may well be done in a year or 2. As you all realize, the Pats won't be getting any early 1st round draft picks while Brady is playing and will be hard pressed to find one when he is gone. If you really think Garap is the best QB short of Brady, you ought to be pushing to keep him for yourselves. The fact that you are all shouting to other teams 'trade for him, trade for him' rings a little bit hollow.
This is a lot like the manning/luck situation.  The Colts couldn't keep manning and draft luck - they'd have had too much money tied up under the cap on two qbs. They couldn't trade manning because his salary and dead money would have crippled them under the cap as well. So they ended up releasing him. 

But there are some big differences too. Obviously, Jimmy G isn't as highly regarded as Luck as a prospect. And for this year, he's a lot cheaper.  Also, Brady is older than manning was, but appears to still be going strong, unlike manning who had just missed a full season with a neck injury.

So the Patriots have a few choices. Trading or releasing Brady isn't really an option - it might end up being the right choice in hindsight but the value he provides to the Patriots organization as a whole is more than any other player or the value that he'd provide to any other team. 

They could keep Jimmy G for a year, but then they wouldn't own his rights next off season. This has the most value if Brady gets hurt or retires next off season, but he's clearly indicated that that's not his plan and the pats are in no hurry to force him to retire.

This would also allow them to keep Jimmy G, with the intent of franchising him the next off season if Brady announces 2018 will be his last year.  It would be expensive, but reasonable in that specific case.

Or they could trade him now and get what they can for him.  For that to make sense, they'd have to her more in value than what he's worth as a backup and as Brady retirement insurance.  So there's a floor on the trade talks where they simply keep him if they don't get an offer they like.  

So the value they get from trading him needs to be enough that it justifies letting him go - which means no low ball offers - and there are several qbs needy teams that are interested.  The other qbs in free agency are pretty ugly - Romo is older with serious health issues, cutler is older with serious ability issues, tyrod might be the prize but he might not make it out if buffalo.  The qbs in the draft are not that highly regarded either.  So there's good conditions for a bidding war. 

If he's a better prospect than trubisky, though, that doesn't mean you should spend the pick you'd have used on trubisky for Jimmy G. You get five relatively cheap years of Trubisky for the price of two.  You get to cut ties faster if he's a bust, but I'd still rather have 5 cheap years than 2 if they're equal prospects.  There's a case to be made that Jimmy G is a better prospect and that his experience adds value, but it really depends who's asking. And that is where kyle Shanahan's previous interest in him - and Cleveland's extra picks - could make a bidding war. 

It feels like the floor on what the pats would take to trade him is a second and the ceiling is an early first.  It seems like an early first is unlikely, but possible. The Browns can beat any offer by the 49ers with the 12th pick, which is why that's the logical hope.  But that might not be possible, nor their best fit. IMO, if the pats could get a 2019 first from a bottom feeding team, they could be in position to get a franchise QB if that team stays bad.  And then they could draft their Brady successor in a stronger class and without killing their cap.  

 
No idea if he's worth it but I love the way the article tries to paint both Goff and Wentz as busts to prove his point that Garoppolo is proven. He went to Eastern Illinois so he's similar to Romo who also went there. Love these fluff pieces, with all the stuff that gets exposed as made up in real news you have to wonder how much of sports journalism is "sponsored" by teams/agents. I'd bet it's way more than we think. 
That's not what the article says:

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians drew the same comparison with Romo last summer.

When he first scouted Garoppolo, Arians noted the similarities with fellow former Eastern Illinois star Romo.

Both were similar sizes, arm strength, very accurate," Arians explained. "Both moved around good. Jimmy's an excellent athlete. A very accurate passer. ... You have to defend his legs as much as his arm."

 
I assume you mean 2018 1st, but otherwise you pretty much nailed all the angles.

This could go several different ways, and the Pats keeping him is a very real possibility despite what many of you think.

 
I'd take Glennon over Garopollo.  He's shown more with less, and he is a FA.
Obviously a very limited sample size but Garropolo looks like the better prospect imo. I can buy into the argument that Glennon doesn't cost you a pick(s), making him the better option, but he will likely cost you a pretty big contract right off the bat. It's surely an interesting case study, as to which is the better option (especially if one assumes that Garropolo is the better prospect, which admittedly may not be the case for everyone).

 
Its interesting to see in here that nearly every Pats fan in the pool (in addition to CCouch) is in here saying every QB needy team should pay through the nose for Garappolo. At the same time, none of you are saying the Pats should hold onto him. Brady may well be done in a year or 2. As you all realize, the Pats won't be getting any early 1st round draft picks while Brady is playing and will be hard pressed to find one when he is gone. If you really think Garap is the best QB short of Brady, you ought to be pushing to keep him for yourselves. The fact that you are all shouting to other teams 'trade for him, trade for him' rings a little bit hollow.
From all accounts, the team is preparing to have Brady for three more seasons. Jimmy G is signed for one more season. And that's where the problem lies and why this thread has gone on and on. It becomes financially improbable, albeit nearly impossible, the Pats could keep both of them beyond this year.

JG is not going to take anything but full market value in a new contract, whether it be from NE or anyone else. He's not going to take a team friendly deal with a substantial hometown discount. He's not going to sign a one year deal just because that would help the team. And the Pats aren't going to break the bank to keep him. If Brady does play three more years, that makes JG a six year back up.

Using the Brady plays three more years but NE keeps JG narrative, the Pats only real option at this point next year would be to franchise JG. That is projected to be a $23 million a year proposition. By 2018, Brady would carry a $22 million cap hit. The Patriots are not going to carry two QB's with a combined $45 million cap hit. And that only gets us through two of the three seasons. How many times has BB been known to waste cap space? Would the Pats really have their second highest paid player on the bench every single play?

Also, NE is said to really like Jacoby Brissett. In the Pats' minds, even if they don't have JG, they view themselves as having a competent backup. They won't give JG away for a song, but I suspect there will end up being multiple teams that want him and the return from a trade will make it easy for NE to part with him.

 
Its interesting to see in here that nearly every Pats fan in the pool (in addition to CCouch) is in here saying every QB needy team should pay through the nose for Garappolo. At the same time, none of you are saying the Pats should hold onto him. Brady may well be done in a year or 2. As you all realize, the Pats won't be getting any early 1st round draft picks while Brady is playing and will be hard pressed to find one when he is gone. If you really think Garap is the best QB short of Brady, you ought to be pushing to keep him for yourselves. The fact that you are all shouting to other teams 'trade for him, trade for him' rings a little bit hollow.
Really disagree with this (especially the hollow part...it makes no sense)...there is a very simple and logical reason why Patriot fans are advocating a trade...their current starter is debatable the best QB in the history of the game coming off one of his best seasons...right now reports are the team expects him to play at least three more years at a high level (and Brady has repeatedly said he is playing until he is 45)...Jimmy G has one year left on his contract so it makes absolutely no sense to invest big money into a back-up QB for at least two years (and I can't see him wanting to be a back-up for at least another three years) if you believe Brady still has gas left in the tank...do you really think Belichik would pay big-money for a back-up?  Has BB done anything in his history to show that is something he would do?  There is absolutely nothing hollow about wanting to trade him...I think most Pats wants would be comfortable with Jimmy G taking over but the timing just doesn't make any sense unless they want to hedge their bets on a Brady injury in 2017...trading him is the smart thing to do...you get assets for now and the future instead of letting Jimmy G walk for nothing...it is that simple...a few other things...there can be debate as to what he is worth...that being said I don't think it is irrational for a Pats fan to think they will get a decent return on him...he plays the premium position in the NFL and history has shown teams will overpay (usually with a contract) when it comes to acquiring someone to play this position...depending on what goes on at the combine/rookie evaluations his value could go up or down but on the surface this QB class does not look like anything special right now...right now the Pats have another back-up they are high on in Brissett...he also is under their control for three more years so the cupboard is not bare...as for what the Pats will get I would guess it will be a high #2 and something else from either Clev-SF-Chicago...what that something else is will probably be dependent on whether multiple teams are vying for him or not...

 
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From all accounts, the team is preparing to have Brady for three more seasons. Jimmy G is signed for one more season. And that's where the problem lies and why this thread has gone on and on. It becomes financially improbable, albeit nearly impossible, the Pats could keep both of them beyond this year.

JG is not going to take anything but full market value in a new contract, whether it be from NE or anyone else. He's not going to take a team friendly deal with a substantial hometown discount. He's not going to sign a one year deal just because that would help the team. And the Pats aren't going to break the bank to keep him. If Brady does play three more years, that makes JG a six year back up.

Using the Brady plays three more years but NE keeps JG narrative, the Pats only real option at this point next year would be to franchise JG. That is projected to be a $23 million a year proposition. By 2018, Brady would carry a $22 million cap hit. The Patriots are not going to carry two QB's with a combined $45 million cap hit. And that only gets us through two of the three seasons. How many times has BB been known to waste cap space? Would the Pats really have their second highest paid player on the bench every single play?

Also, NE is said to really like Jacoby Brissett. In the Pats' minds, even if they don't have JG, they view themselves as having a competent backup. They won't give JG away for a song, but I suspect there will end up being multiple teams that want him and the return from a trade will make it easy for NE to part with him.
Good post...I could have saved time writing mine if I saw yours first...

 
I'm one of the very few who say keeping him for a season is an option. Reason(s) stated in the my prior post.

MIKE GLENNON? SLOW DECISION and/or DELIVERY? Isn't that one of his warts? This is why I don't see
Houston going after Glennon. UNLESS they want to replace Osweiler with a cheaper version of the same style QB.

 
So keeping him this year, then franchise-trading him next year is not even a possibility?
I think you can make a case for keeping him this year but don't see a case for franchising him and paying him huge money to be a back-up...the cost just doesn't make sense...

 
franchise then TRADE, ya know, tag and trade...............
Too much room for error...if Brady plays a full 16  (i.e. Garropolo doesn't see the field) his value does not increase...also, a team would than have to trade for him and give a big contract...right now he has a very team-friendly contract...the team that gets him doesn't have to commit big money...I like Jimmy G but he would not be the first guy in this situation to not meet expectations...if he didn't the team that acquired him would not be on the hook for a bad contract like Houston is with Osweiler...you gotta remember that the Pats were able to pull that off with Cassel because he was coming off of playing a full season... 

 
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WHoever trades for JG is signing him to a new deal.  There is simply no way that they won't. 

Of course the Pats would not get as much in return if they waited till next year, but that would be well worth the possibility of NEEDING him moving forward. 

 
Same reason teams would want to trade for him now.  They need a QB.  Very simple.
So not only would the Pats be paying him more money to sit on the bench for another year but teams would be more willing to give up even more to trade for him.  Seems like a lose/lose idea.

 
So not only would the Pats be paying him more money to sit on the bench for another year but teams would be more willing to give up even more to trade for him.  Seems like a lose/lose idea.
WHy would the Pats be paying him more money?

I didnt say teams would give up MORE, I said they would give LESS than what they would give right now. 

 
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I assume you mean 2018 1st, but otherwise you pretty much nailed all the angles.

This could go several different ways, and the Pats keeping him is a very real possibility despite what many of you think.
I  did mean 2019, but 2018 makes sense to.  I just figure if he's worth a 2017 first, which is obviously debatable, they could get a 2019 first plus something for him, and 2019 is when you would expect Brady to either be hitting the wall or be close enough to it that they wouldn't have this problem again 4 years later.  2018 accomplishes almost the same thing, but if you're going to take a chance on getting 1.1 or close enough to it that you could trade the pick plus your pick to move up, 2019 seems like the better draft to do it because if Brady hits the wall next year, new England may already have a decent 2018 pick, and if he doesn't, then you don't really want to make a bold move up the draft board just to get a guy who will sit a couple years. 

 
So not only would the Pats be paying him more money to sit on the bench for another year but teams would be more willing to give up even more to trade for him.  Seems like a lose/lose idea.
Agreed...also who knows what the QB market will look like next year...right now it sets up pretty good for the Pats...there are a decent amount of teams in need of a QB along with a mediocre draft class and veterans with a decent amount of questions...

 
WHy would the Pats be paying him more money?

I didnt say teams would give up MORE, I said they would give LESS than what they would give right now. 
If they tagged him they would have to pay him more while they tried to trade him.  Also, aren't there rules for trading a tagged player?

 
Agreed...also who knows what the QB market will look like next year...right now it sets up pretty good for the Pats...there are a decent amount of teams in need of a QB along with a mediocre draft class and veterans with a decent amount of questions...
Yes, of course, but their decision is going to be based on what teams offer them.

If the best someone offers is say the value of pick 40, I would bet they keep him.

 
If they tagged him they would have to pay him more while they tried to trade him.  Also, aren't there rules for trading a tagged player?
I do not know what the rules are for trading a tagged player, but I believe there is no cap hit if you trade a tagged player.

Isn't there also that transition tag thing where teams can negotiate with him, and pay some sort of predetermined pick to the Pats if they sign him?

 
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Yes, of course, but their decision is going to be based on what teams offer them.

If the best someone offers is say the value of pick 40, I would bet they keep him.
I don't doubt that...no need to deal him if you aren't getting much back...all along I have felt those early second round picks of Clev-SF-Chicago make the most sense...I could see that and another pick getting the job done unless it turns into a legit bidding war if the rookie QBs are unimpressive during the draft process...

 
I do not know what the rules are for trading a tagged player, but I believe there is no cap hit if you trade a tagged player.

Isn't there also that transition tag thing where teams can negotiate with him, and pay some sort of predetermined pick to the Pats if they sign him?
I thought a team had to give up their next two first round picks.

 
I thought a team had to give up their next two first round picks.
There are different types of tags, not all of which are two 1sts. 

Again, I certainly do not know all those rules, so I am not sure what all the options are. 

If the Pats have another player they may need to franchise next year, then this obviously isn't an option. 

 
WHoever trades for JG is signing him to a new deal.  There is simply no way that they won't. 
Why?  Why commit to him before you see him play?  If he busts you are not on the hook for a bad contract like Houston is with Osweiler...if he hits you will have zero issues paying him as well as having two years of being able to franchise him if you can't so you are protected...if you are Jimmy G and believe in yourself (like Cousins) why would you sign a team-friendly deal?

 
Trading him this year with a low contract and never having been tagged means the acquiring team could use him for a year, decode how much through they like him, and then decide whether to franchise him, sign him to an extension, or let him walk.  Ask Houston if they would have preferred that.  That makes him a much more valuable commodity than a guy with no years left, although not as valuable as a guy with all his years left. That's also why he's not worth the equivalent pick of trubisky.

But knowing that, the acquiring team could offer him a relatively cheap 4 year deal right now.  If you were him and you could play your current contract at say 2 million, then maybe get tagged for 22, or you could play 2 years for 24 guaranteed right now, you'd clearly rather have the 2 for 24 guaranteed.  Not even a question, because you no longer run the risk that you get hurt or fail and never get that franchise deal.  

So now all of a sudden a deal like 4 years, 50 million with 20 million guaranteed and a good portion of your salary back loaded into years 3 and 4 makes sense. And that's a bargain for the team if he turns into a franchise quarterback, while still limiting their exposure somewhat.  

Again those are rough cut numbers, but the point is that the acquiring team has a lot more leverage if they trade for him now and sign him to an extension.  

 
If they tagged him they would have to pay him more while they tried to trade him.  Also, aren't there rules for trading a tagged player?
The Patriots previously franchised tagged Matt Cassel and then traded him to KC. That's allowed within the rules, but the starting off point for negotiations for a new team would have to be $23 million in guaranteed money (which is what the tag number should be if not higher next year - all tagged salary is fully guaranteed). It wouldn't cost NE a dime to do it this way. If they couldn't swing a trade, they could always take the tag off of JG (but would lose him as a free agent).

The tag and trade option would put a pretty big dent in what they could get for JG compared to what they could get now. Teams also would  not get the one year see how he does option which they could get if they acquired him now.

 
The Patriots previously franchised tagged Matt Cassel and then traded him to KC. That's allowed within the rules, but the starting off point for negotiations for a new team would have to be $23 million in guaranteed money (which is what the tag number should be if not higher next year - all tagged salary is fully guaranteed). It wouldn't cost NE a dime to do it this way. If they couldn't swing a trade, they could always take the tag off of JG (but would lose him as a free agent).

The tag and trade option would put a pretty big dent in what they could get for JG compared to what they could get now. Teams also would  not get the one year see how he does option which they could get if they acquired him now.
In other words, not that good of an idea.

 
In other words, not that good of an idea.
It's not that bad of an idea, as it gets the Pats another year of TB insurance with JG. However, the other 31 teams would not get to see og JG performed on their team, would have to trade picks or players, and still have to pay Jimmy G top of the market money. The Chiefs did it with Matt Cassell . . . and that met with mixed results.

The Pats traded Cassel and Mike Vrabel for pick 34 in the draft (used on Patrick Chung). The Chiefs signed Cassel to a six-year, $62.7 million contract that included $28 million in guaranteed money, and $40.5 million in total compensation in the first three seasons. He got the Chiefs to the playoffs one year but things mostly didn't work out for KC.

The biggest difference between Cassel and Jimmy G is Cassel had barely seen any live action since high school (he was a back up at USC and with NE) until he filled in admirably for TB12. Garoppolo started most of his college career but hasn't played much as a pro.

 
Why?  Why commit to him before you see him play?  If he busts you are not on the hook for a bad contract like Houston is with Osweiler...if he hits you will have zero issues paying him as well as having two years of being able to franchise him if you can't so you are protected...if you are Jimmy G and believe in yourself (like Cousins) why would you sign a team-friendly deal?
If you are JG you sign a friendlier deal than you would if you were a FA because if you bust and suck, you get nothing. 

Even if JG is good he would run the risk of looking like trash on some of these teams.

 
Only if you find zero value in JG being on the team this year, and also find zero possibility that something happens to Brady.
Not exactly. You need to determine the value of having JG over Brissett in the event of an injury or poor performance by Brady. That's probably worth a second round pick because they get some value from owning a better backup qb, and they get more than second round value from still owning JG in the scenario where Brady retires after 2017. 

That value, minus what they would get for him in 2017 if they waited but still traded him, is what sets the floor for trading him now.  That's the least they should take.  

The most anyone should give is the value you assign to him. If you perceive JG as more valuable than the best QB available at 1.2, he might be worth more to you than 1.2.  He might not.  Remember you don't get 5 years with him.   You get a good negotiating position with a somewhat known commodity with some NFL experience in a good system and with a winning mentality.  That's important to some coaches and GMs. 

You also get him now.  That's important to a contending team, but it's probably even more important to Hue Jackson in year two of a rebuild.  Get that guy now who will help you keep your job, and put your system in place, and change the culture.  Or Shanahan and you see a guy you already liked who can help you install your offense from day one so you don't become the next one and done guy in San Francisco.  Or the bears so you aren't pitching behind two qbs needy teams who might like the same guy you do. If you're considering a qb at 1.3 - and they might not be - but if you are and it's getting close to the draft and nobody's traded for JG yet, you start worrying that your guy is going to go before your pick, and you start thinking about upping your offer. 

I think the floor for a deal is somewhere around a second round pick, and the ceiling is somewhere around an early first. The market will probably push teams toward the top of what they would give, but that might mean they would have given a third but are now willing to give a second.  These will be fun negotiations to watch.  

 
For the pats, some of it simply comes down to what they think of brisset. If they think he's a good backup and possible future starter, of course they can trade jimmy and add to their stable.

 
For the pats, some of it simply comes down to what they think of brisset. If they think he's a good backup and possible future starter, of course they can trade jimmy and add to their stable.
Would be pretty amazing if the Pats had three franchise QBs on their team right now.

 

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