Because his comments contribute nothing. Not a real opinion about the plays in question or football in general. They are nothing but a passive aggressive attack from a Patriots homer. Check out his sig. I have no prob with real Pat fans, it's the know nothing, but defend ANYTHING the Pats do because they are "my" team (casue they are winning) idiots.
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10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
Hahahaha!!!!I've been at Foxboro when the place was empty and the Pats were not yet division champs, obviously you weren't even a football fan then.... 
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
I'm sure they looked at it and like everyone else who saw one replay deemed it a good call.
Sorry Gramps, I'm obviously not as old as you. 10 years ago is when I could afford to get the tickets.I'm not too sure where you're anger is coming from.Calling people morons for not having the same opinion as you?Have a good day.10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
First off, I'm not angry in the least. I find those that constantly accuse others of anger are really themselves the angry ones.Sorry Gramps, I'm obviously not as old as you. 10 years ago is when I could afford to get the tickets.I'm not too sure where you're anger is coming from.Calling people morons for not having the same opinion as you?Have a good day.10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
I didn't specifically call you a moron anywhere, so you must have taken offense when I was referring to those who called the Moss PI call an "obvious BS call", idiots. Please present some evidence that the call was an obvious BS call. NONE of the replays we saw actually showed the whole play. I bet you can't present crap cause you don't have crap. You just like to whine about how the Pats are picked on. 
You big baby! Didn't your parents teach you to resprct you elders? 
Creating this topic was stupid. New England gets one call in this game to go their way (and it was the right one anyway) and suddenly someone decides that the refs are giving the game to them? Unbelievable. I guess then that every win by every team is invalid because every team gets a call go their way in every game.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
There weren't any Patriot fans then, or at least you wouldn't think so upon looking at TV ratings and ticket sales. However all Patriot fans here at THIS message board are ALL old timers. There was a thread about it not long ago. GB those honest Patriot old timers...10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
timschochet
Footballguy
I agree, its a foolish topic, but what do you expect? The combination of factors that make New England a topic for discussion is virtually unique in the history of sports. Like it or not, every aspect of the 2007 New England Patriots, no matter how minimal it might seem to you, will be dissected and argued about, not just now but for years to come...
Dman30
Footballguy
The Gaffney TD was legit, but had the refs not given the Patriots a first down on the gracious Wes Welker spot on on his 3rd down catch the pats would have never had a chance a to score the TD. They would have kicked a field goal, and the Eagles might have won the game by one point. The refs gifted them that TD drive.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
Use your head...the game would have played out differently had they scored a FG there instead of a TD.
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Dman30
Footballguy
Right, because AJ Feeley would have pressed the interception throw rather than run the clock out with the running game when up by one point.Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
OMG, you really are as brain dead as you appear in this and other threads.Right, because AJ Feeley would have pressed the interception throw rather than run the clock out with the running game when up by one point.Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
Dman30
Footballguy
:reported:OMG, you really are as brain dead as you appear in this and other threads.Right, because AJ Feeley would have pressed the interception throw rather than run the clock out with the running game when up by one point.Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
Right, because AJ Feeley would have pressed the interception throw rather than run the clock out with the running game when up by one point.Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
I didn't cry.I said you needed a hug.I stand by that evaluation. Need help getting up from your wheelchair?First off, I'm not angry in the least. I find those that constantly accuse others of anger are really themselves the angry ones.Sorry Gramps, I'm obviously not as old as you. 10 years ago is when I could afford to get the tickets.I'm not too sure where you're anger is coming from.Calling people morons for not having the same opinion as you?Have a good day.10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
Was there a point to any of that?Does ANYBODY see anything football related to any of your post?!?! You're pathetic.I didn't cry.I said you needed a hug.I stand by that evaluation. Need help getting up from your wheelchair?First off, I'm not angry in the least. I find those that constantly accuse others of anger are really themselves the angry ones.Sorry Gramps, I'm obviously not as old as you. 10 years ago is when I could afford to get the tickets.I'm not too sure where you're anger is coming from.Calling people morons for not having the same opinion as you?Have a good day.10 years, isn't that when they started winning?If having season tickets for the past 10 years make me a band-wagon hopper, than so be it.Moss didn't appear to get full extention of his arms on the defender, which is what it usually takes to warrant a call there.Gaffney's right foot left a divot in the endzone. I'd say that would be enough evidence that he got his feet down.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I especially love how they gifted the Pats by not calling a blatant hold that tore Moss' jersey off his shoulder pads.
Workhorse
Footballguy
At the time, I was hollering: "Well at that point, they should just pull the jersey over his head and pummel him NHL-style!"
snogger
Footballguy
My wife tends to whenever I put football on ( but that's for a different thread) but when she saw the jersey come off his shoulder she asked: "is that legal?? if so why don't they do it more often??"
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Please don't go there. If you disagree, fine. Disagree and back your point. But don't call each other brain dead. JOMG, you really are as brain dead as you appear in this and other threads.Right, because AJ Feeley would have pressed the interception throw rather than run the clock out with the running game when up by one point.Right...because the Patriots would have just ran the clock out at the end, when down by a point, instead of going for the win.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
I'm an artist and my eye is professionally trained to note even the smallest details. No doubt the Gaffney catch was a TD, 2 feet, knee, elbow... I'm also a Pats fan and disagree with the Moss PI call but it looked like Sheppard had his back to the back judge who made the call at his discretion. Maybe Lito flopped a bit and Moss doesn't help his cause by keeping his arms at chest height. That was a huge call considering Gostkowski shanked the FG. Honestly, I am often amazed at how much the announcers miss even with the replays, advantageous or not.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Why is this even a thread ?
2 feet in with possession = TD.
end of convo.
2 feet in with possession = TD.
end of convo.
switz
Footballguy
Haven't read through the whole thread, but here was my take:
Moss PI - bad call, but the back judge saw the defender "stumble" and attributed it to Moss pushing off.
TD catch - I didn't see the catch, my wife said he was out of bounds right away. I haven't seen the play so I have no opinion of my own.
Either way, the Patriots don't look like world beaters after the way Dal, Indy, and Phi played them.
Moss PI - bad call, but the back judge saw the defender "stumble" and attributed it to Moss pushing off.
TD catch - I didn't see the catch, my wife said he was out of bounds right away. I haven't seen the play so I have no opinion of my own.
Either way, the Patriots don't look like world beaters after the way Dal, Indy, and Phi played them.
Joey Chestnuts
Footballguy
You, sir, are fishing.Count your blessings Joe Bryant didn't ban you, and quite frankly, after calling him out and trying to ridicule Joe Bryant on his own messageboard I think a banning is certainly in place.So spamming the pool with blatant fishing is okay... but calling someone braindead isn't. Just checking
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
One of the BEST things about having TiVo is the ability to rewind and look at the play when the network does not give you a replay. This is usually the case with penalty call, espcially personal foul calls. Seems the league does not want to highlight the personal foul to the viewers.
The thing I learned is that the refs MISS A BUNCH of calls!
EXAMPLES -
There was a 15 yard facemask call on a Chicago O lineman yesterday - no replay - but TiVo shows it was more of a hand touching the D lineman helmet for a split second (not the mask, no grip and pull) and the D lineman falling down. Flag comes in.
There was a second fackmace call that was actually a grab to the edge of the shoulder pad. A legal tackle that got flagged for 15 yards.
There was a mystery block in the back penalty on the Jags special teams that TiVo showed as a good block where the coverman's teamman knocked him down from behind while he was legally engaged by the return team blocker.
Don't even get me started on the phantom pass interferance and roughing the passer penalties that get called.
The thing I learned is that the refs MISS A BUNCH of calls!
EXAMPLES -
There was a 15 yard facemask call on a Chicago O lineman yesterday - no replay - but TiVo shows it was more of a hand touching the D lineman helmet for a split second (not the mask, no grip and pull) and the D lineman falling down. Flag comes in.
There was a second fackmace call that was actually a grab to the edge of the shoulder pad. A legal tackle that got flagged for 15 yards.
There was a mystery block in the back penalty on the Jags special teams that TiVo showed as a good block where the coverman's teamman knocked him down from behind while he was legally engaged by the return team blocker.
Don't even get me started on the phantom pass interferance and roughing the passer penalties that get called.
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i am fishing?Joe knows me well enough to know when I'm just teasing and when I'm being malicious. I have a great deal of respect for the forums and the way that they are moderated. That said, there are times when folks slip through the cracks and my post was just a playful way of pointing that out. I've gotten more than my fair share of timeouts on this site but I'd be surprised if I got one for that.You, sir, are fishing.Count your blessings Joe Bryant didn't ban you, and quite frankly, after calling him out and trying to ridicule Joe Bryant on his own messageboard I think a banning is certainly in place.So spamming the pool with blatant fishing is okay... but calling someone braindead isn't. Just checking
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((Morpheus))
Footballguy
these anti-patriots threads never cease to amaze me. wow i hope stupidity isn't contagious.
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snogger
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Joey Chestnuts
Footballguy
You should learn to stop while you still can post.i am fishing?Joe knows me well enough to know when I'm just teasing and when I'm being malicious. I have a great deal of respect for the forums and the way that they are moderated. That said, there are times when folks slip through the cracks and my post was just a playful way of pointing that out. I've gotten more than my fair share of timeouts on this site but I'd be surprised if I got one for that.You, sir, are fishing.Count your blessings Joe Bryant didn't ban you, and quite frankly, after calling him out and trying to ridicule Joe Bryant on his own messageboard I think a banning is certainly in place.So spamming the pool with blatant fishing is okay... but calling someone braindead isn't. Just checking
dgreen
Footballguy
mdog1967
Footballguy
Joe Bryant has much thicker skin than most posters on this thread. The endless "Telling Mom" mentality (another poster doing the ":reported:" routine ) is rather silly. I think a little back and forth and some mild put downs are fine. The posters who get mad are really getting mad because someone dares disagree with their post. I think the danger is getting the whole message board either pulled or milk toasted out that anything short of Have a nice day and Oh I totally agree, will result in a very odd place to discuss anything. I don’t care what some body calls me on this thread, fact is sometimes I am an idiot, and nights after work I am brain dead and should avoid posting here at those times. Maturity should allow all of us the ability to handle comments stated above and including statements like: "Your post adds nothing to the conversation". I Think that comment is much more derogatory and inflammatory than calling someone and Idiot. The Pats won last night and all the “What ifs” are not going to change that. Count your blessings that we are able to sit behind the screen and make comments to each other that most would never dare say in person. Mr. Bryant may not like some of the posts here, I imagine he likes the blatant suck ups even less.You, sir, are fishing.Count your blessings Joe Bryant didn't ban you, and quite frankly, after calling him out and trying to ridicule Joe Bryant on his own messageboard I think a banning is certainly in place.So spamming the pool with blatant fishing is okay... but calling someone braindead isn't. Just checking
randall146
Footballguy
Aside from going on the road and beating the two other best teams in the world
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You should learn to stop while you still can post.i am fishing?Joe knows me well enough to know when I'm just teasing and when I'm being malicious. I have a great deal of respect for the forums and the way that they are moderated. That said, there are times when folks slip through the cracks and my post was just a playful way of pointing that out. I've gotten more than my fair share of timeouts on this site but I'd be surprised if I got one for that.You, sir, are fishing.Count your blessings Joe Bryant didn't ban you, and quite frankly, after calling him out and trying to ridicule Joe Bryant on his own messageboard I think a banning is certainly in place.So spamming the pool with blatant fishing is okay... but calling someone braindead isn't. Just checking
ok, guy.Whizzinator
Footballguy
They showed an angle on the replay--when Madden concluded there was no offensive PI---that was clear and was also the only time Moss was close to the CB. Moss didn't come close to extending his arms---it's not clear that he even initiated the contact that did occur, but I doubt you can find another offensive PI this year with the same low level of contact that occurred on that play.Now, it's hard to feel sorry for Moss overall as he does in fact often interfere with defenders and push off, espeically in the end zone. This play, though, simply was not one of those times. If you missed that replay, then I can see defending the call a little bit but after seeing that replay there's really not much of an objective case for doing so. Which is why the announcers said what they did, it's just not a close call.
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This site generates a tremendous amount of content and while nobody likes a tattle-tale there is a certain degree of self-policing that the forum must do to keep things on the up and up. The report button exists for a reason and does serve a purpose. There are times where people step very far outside the lines and that feature helps the Mod staff zero in on the offenders quickly. That said I agree 100% that the :reported: schtick is juvenile and Dman has contributed next to nothing to this forum... which is why I was busting Joe's balls about defending the tool.
From everything I've seen this is very much the case.
snogger said:As I stated before. The Head of all Refs on NFL Network stated that the booth officials only job is to single for a review if there is any question at all inside of two minutes and the play should be reviewed. There was some question there as even the refs got together to discuss it meaning it should have been reviewed.The other thing you see is that after the head Ref goes "under the hood" to review the play, he will confer with the Booth on where the ball should be spotted and what the game clock should be set to.stbugs said:By the way, does anyone know 100% that the replay officials in the booth do not make the final call or play a big part in it? It seems to me that after reviews spotting the ball, you see the on field refs listening to something while no longer looking at the TV screens, which to me seems to signal that the replay officials are determining something and do tell the on field officials what to do. I seem to remember some football game where they went into the booth and I could have sworn that it seemed like the guys in the booth might make more decisions than some here might want to think they do.snogger said:I'm 99.9% sure that if this play is brought up with the head Ref on NFL Network this week he will say it should have at least been reviewed. As he said last week on NFL Network, the booth personal are not the ones that should be making the call.stbugs said:I still don't get this. Why do people think it wasn't even looked at? There was a little refs conference, so why is it not feasible that the replay booth had time to look at the corner of the end zone angle and decided there was no need to stop play. I would assume that the replay booth is replaying plays all the time during the 2 minute period with no coach challenges.
Personally, I didn't see the ball move at all and it was obvious the first time we saw the "good" angle that he got both feet in bounds, so I think a replay official could have looked at that one time and decided no need for a full review.
They are suppose to call for review inside of two minutes If there is any question at all.
They are not suppose to make the decision on if it is a catch or not, just whether the head Official should look at it.
switz
Footballguy
Why? Because my wife likes football? Because I believe I married an intelligent woman? Maybe you are just jealous...
switz
Footballguy
I didn't say they didn't win, just that they didn't look like word beaters... in all three of those games it was close until some time in the 4th quarter. Indy and Philly were without key offensive players.It's sad you had to take offense to my opinion, but it still stands. The Patriots definitely look like they can be beaten.
jurb26
Footballguy
Do you really expect that they (or any team in any sport) would just walk through the entire season? Of course they have had a few close games. No team, no matter how dominant will go through a full season w/o a few scares. The bottom line is that they have won every game and are 11-0.
switz
Footballguy
I'm not sure what your response has to do with my comment. Frankly, I'm tired of Pats fans being so defensive about their team. The Pats are vulnerable, that doesn't mean they suck, it doesn't mean they are not the best team in football right now.Is it so impossible for you all to look at those three games and say - there might be a chance the Pats could lose? You don't think it's just a little scary that Philly almost beat them with a scrub QB? Or that Indy almost beat them w/o Harrison? You can't admit the Pats have a few weaknesses?It's not like I said they suck. A few weeks ago people were saying they were unbeatable (hey there's even a thread today saying they are unbeatable). All I said was that it doesn't appear like they are unbeatable. What's so wrong with that?
jurb26
Footballguy
Every team can beat beat. I am not a Pats fan, Steelers. The Pats are world beaters... they are 11-0 and have not been beat as of yet.
Joey Chestnuts
Footballguy
Pats are VERY beatable. Their defense was exposed for what many have speculated all year, old, slow, and their cover secondary is porous. It will continue to be exploited.
jurb26
Footballguy
Samuel and Wilson are anything but old and slow. That is half the secondary. Hobbs too, he just makes too many mistakes.Samuel is the best CB in the NFL right now.
Joey Chestnuts
Footballguy
First of all, where did I call their secondary slow? I called their defense old and slow, and their secondary porous. McFly?
jurb26
Footballguy
I see, so secondaries are now no longer a portion of the defense.
I guess Colvin and Thomas are slow too, huh. I guess Wilfork is pretty slow, at least that is working for ya.
twitch
Footballguy
NE's struggled to win 2 of their 11 games this year. And theyre undefeated with their old, slow, porous, overrated, fully exposed D. And as long as they keep winning whether by 3 or 50, Ill take that bunch of old scrubs over anyone else's D all day. But it must be embarassing to get shown up by such a group week after week after week.
Joey Chestnuts
Footballguy
The huge leads NE has been able to amass has masked the weaknesses of their defense. That defense looks like crap in games that are actually close.
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