Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

[Csonka4life]

Another thought, does anyone else feel like its a bit hypocritical of us to pile on to these guys for reasons that have nothing to do with what we glorify them for in the first place?

Not condoning any of their actions or the NFL's lack of action. Just food for thought. They are professional football players - we expect them to be good at football. They're not in the NFL for being stand up members of the community.

I'm not trying to take a stand one way or the other here, so please don't flame me too much. Just trying to make a bigger point about us enjoying and celebrating violence on the field.

Also I love football.

But they're also very public figures, and more importantly role models for children of all ages. It comes with the territory of being on TV every week, having shoe deals, and being on cereal boxes. It's not like this is a surprise to players that part of being a star in the NFL also makes them a celebrity. We glorify them because they have achieved the pinnacle of success in their field, doing what most of us could never possibly do. They represent an idealistic dream of getting paid millions of dollars to "play a game" every week. They're much more than guys throwin' around the pigskin. It's on them to act how they want to act, but they don't get to hide behind the "I'm just a human" excuse. Yes, people make mistakes, but if NFL players didn't want to be under constant public scrutiny, they should've gone into a different career.

This is such a tired line. Every adult is a role model for children, whether they like it or not. There are tons of kids who couldn't care less about the NFL and couldn't name 5 players. WHO ARE THEIR ROLE MODELS? Every adult they observe on a daily basis.

WE are the ones who make a big deal of athletically gifted and well compensated 20 somethings and put them under public scrutiny. Yes, they have a great opportunity but that doesn't change the fact that they are 20 something year old humans who are going to do some dumb ish. Pretty much all of us do.

When they get caught doing negative stuff then they deal with the consequences like everybody else. But let's stop acting like it's the end of the world or like they are so different than the rest of us just so some of us can point fingers and feel better about ourselves.

Yeah, but I'm starting to wonder if the NFL as an institution is doing a lousy job producing stand-up athletes that can make nice in a society that includes you and me. I know the company I work for and I can assure you it has a FAR less crime ratio than the NFL does. And my company is not in the business of entertaining the public - you know, the people who ultimately pay money to root for these players.Some of this is self righteous finger pointing, for sure. But some of it is also a legitimate concern that the NFL has somehow become a breeding ground for violent criminals.

Disagree. There are plenty of stand up athletes in the NFL. You and the media chose what you want to focus on.

And that sort of misses the entire point anyway.

The NFl has about 2000 guys who play in the league every year. Any business that employs that many people in a blue collar violent job are going to have X amount of F@#k ups. While I think it's higher than say hockey which is another violent sport they also have 2.5 times the employees too.

This is likely not a popular opinion on this site but I think a lot of that also has to do with race.

I happen to have had the opportunity to be around a lot of high level athletes in my life. Professional hockey and baseball players are some wild guys in my experience who do many of the same things that football and basketball players do. But they get arrested for the same type of behavior at a much lesser rate. Similar to the racial discrepancies for the documented history of drug use vs arrest in this country.

So when Joe policeman knocks on an upscale house and meets X hockey player he is going to give him a pass on the potential charge? In many cities hockey players are barely known. In Canada or cities where hockey is popular I can see this, but in Miami? Baseball I can see it as the players are much more high profile.

 

[cstu]

In a way, seems similar to Vick's situation. Peterson is basically going to say, "I didn't know it was wrong."

Really?

AP basically already said as much. It was the way he was raised.

The difference is that killing dogs in Vick's state was illegal while what Peterson intended to do was legal.

 

[cstu]

You would think that a group of people who were brutally whipped by their masters would be completely against spanking children.

Did Peterson not watch 12 Years a Slave?

 

[GulfTider]

This puts it into perspective

@BryanCook: Wife is an ex-child abuse investigator. Spankings go wrong all the time. Leaving marks 24+ hrs is illegal. Peterson pics are >1 wk old.

Spanking a child is one thing, for a grown man to leave wounds that look like that after a week on a 4 yr old is unacceptable

 

[chinawildman]

Interesting times we live in... I grew up thinking my Dad was the smartest guy in the world until.. well I still kinda think he is.

For the children of this generation, you the parent are displaced as their go-to for information the minute they learn how to use Google. How do you as a parent tell your kid that you know better, when in 5 seconds they can legitimately argue that you don't?

I remember when I first moved to the US and found it absurd, as an eight year old, that kids received ribbons for merely participating... And that was almost 30 years ago. The level of coddling from what I've seen has only grown exponentially since then. For parents that feel words are enough to raise a successful child... you should perhaps consider that there are socioeconomic conditions and family patterns, cultures and situations that differ greatly from yours. Realize that your perspectives and judgments cast fall comfortably into the time honored adage of opinions and a-holes.

It's very likely that the public court of opinion, not the Texas courts or the NFL, will decide AP's fate this season. The Vikings PR team will eventually decide whether they can salvage this situation and keep playing AP by spinning this story as a "Loving father who went too far and now is sorry". Thusfar there have been some "spare the rod, spoil the child" public sentiments in AP's corner so this scenario is definitely not out of the question. The mere fact that there is such an intense debate regarding the severity of his methods on this very forum should suggest that this and the Rice case are in completely different realms.

 

[cstu]

Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game.

What his son did could have seriously injured another child. Peterson obviously needs parenting class to learn how to raise children as well as anger management, but he was no doubt reasonably upset about what may have happened.

 

[Run It Up]

In a way, seems similar to Vick's situation. Peterson is basically going to say, "I didn't know it was wrong."

Really?

AP basically already said as much. It was the way he was raised.

The difference is that killing dogs in Vick's state was illegal while what Peterson intended to do was legal.

Ignorance is a pretty #### excuse. How do people get to be his age, upbringing or not - and not develop commonsense?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Putting aside the predictable debate here on the morality of his actions...

My thought, no chance Peterson avoids the 6 game suspension, with possibly more, right?

Under domestic violence, will this be considered "in the presence of a child"? If so, he gets more than 6. And I certainly expect the Vikings will cut him this week.

No, it wouldn't. He was disciplining his child in a legal manner but it was excessive.

Regarding the bolded, that's crazy.

As it was excessive, Peterson was not doing it in a "legal manner." That's completely asinine.

The act of beating a child with a stick to the point of bruising and bleeding is illegal. It is absolutely irrelevant if, just before you started beating him with a stick, that the child pushed his brother while playing video games.

 

[cstu]

Interesting times we live in... I grew up thinking my Dad was the smartest guy in the world until.. well I still kinda think he is.

For the children of this generation, you the parent are displaced as their go-to for information the minute they learn how to use Google. How do you as a parent tell your kid that you know better, when in 5 seconds they can legitimately argue that you don't?

I remember when I first moved to the US and found it absurd, as an eight year old, that kids received ribbons for merely participating... And that was almost 30 years ago. The level of coddling from what I've seen has only grown exponentially since then. For parents that feel words are enough to raise a successful child... you should perhaps consider that there are socioeconomic conditions and family patterns, cultures and situations that differ greatly from yours. Realize that your perspectives and judgments cast fall comfortably into the time honored adage of opinions and a-holes.

It's very likely that the public court of opinion, not the Texas courts or the NFL, will decide AP's fate this season. The Vikings PR team will eventually decide whether they can salvage this situation and keep playing AP by spinning this story as a "Loving father who went too far and now is sorry". Thusfar there have been some "spare the rod, spoil the child" public sentiments in AP's corner so this scenario is definitely not out of the question. The mere fact that there is such an intense debate regarding the severity of his methods on this very forum should suggest that this and the Rice case are in completely different realms.

You don't - you tell them you're in charge. I do explain to my daughter by reasoning so she understands, but I would never say "I know better" since there is no 'right' answer in parenting.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game.

What his son did could have seriously injured another child. Peterson obviously needs parenting class to learn how to raise children as well as anger management, but he was no doubt reasonably upset about what may have happened.

That's nice. Also, irrelevant.

Did we ever find out what made Ray Rice so mad at his wife? Maybe he was "reasonably upset" too.

 

[cstu]

Putting aside the predictable debate here on the morality of his actions...

My thought, no chance Peterson avoids the 6 game suspension, with possibly more, right?

Under domestic violence, will this be considered "in the presence of a child"? If so, he gets more than 6. And I certainly expect the Vikings will cut him this week.

No, it wouldn't. He was disciplining his child in a legal manner but it was excessive.

Regarding the bolded, that's crazy.

As it was excessive, Peterson was not doing it in a "legal manner." That's completely asinine.

The act of beating a child with a stick to the point of bruising and bleeding is illegal. It is absolutely irrelevant if, just before you started beating him with a stick, that the child pushed his brother while playing video games.

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

 

[PatsWillWin]

In a way, seems similar to Vick's situation. Peterson is basically going to say, "I didn't know it was wrong."

Really?

AP basically already said as much. It was the way he was raised.

The difference is that killing dogs in Vick's state was illegal while what Peterson intended to do was legal.

I'm about 90% sure you're fishing.

 

[cstu]

Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game.

What his son did could have seriously injured another child. Peterson obviously needs parenting class to learn how to raise children as well as anger management, but he was no doubt reasonably upset about what may have happened.

That's nice. Also, irrelevant.

Did we ever find out what made Ray Rice so mad at his wife? Maybe he was "reasonably upset" too.

Hitting a woman is illegal under all circumstances while using a switch on a child is legal in Texas.

 

[cstu]

In a way, seems similar to Vick's situation. Peterson is basically going to say, "I didn't know it was wrong."

Really?

AP basically already said as much. It was the way he was raised.

The difference is that killing dogs in Vick's state was illegal while what Peterson intended to do was legal.

I'm about 90% sure you're fishing.

No, I'm not and many of you seem to be in denial about the legality of the use of switches.

 

[cstu]

I seem not be getting through to you so let me sum it up:

- The use of switches should be illegal

- The use of switches are legal in Texas (and other states)

- Peterson did what many well-meaning parents in Texas do but went too far

- By demonizing Peterson you are obscuring the bigger issue that the use of switches should be illegal

- Rather than treating Peterson as a horrible person, the blame should go to a horrible society that tells parents that hitting kids with switches is ok.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Putting aside the predictable debate here on the morality of his actions...

My thought, no chance Peterson avoids the 6 game suspension, with possibly more, right?

Under domestic violence, will this be considered "in the presence of a child"? If so, he gets more than 6. And I certainly expect the Vikings will cut him this week.

No, it wouldn't. He was disciplining his child in a legal manner but it was excessive.

Regarding the bolded, that's crazy.

As it was excessive, Peterson was not doing it in a "legal manner." That's completely asinine.

The act of beating a child with a stick to the point of bruising and bleeding is illegal. It is absolutely irrelevant if, just before you started beating him with a stick, that the child pushed his brother while playing video games.

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

Up to 95%.

How are people supposed to know what their exact BAC level is before getting into the car? How do people know that the water isn't too hot when they put their kids in the bath?

They're required to know. Society imposes a duty to know. That is the essence of charges based on negligence and recklessness. He's not being charged with doing it on purpose, but he still went over the line, and the law says that you are required to know where that line is. Peterson either didn't (negligent) or did but didn't care (reckless).

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Putting aside the predictable debate here on the morality of his actions...

My thought, no chance Peterson avoids the 6 game suspension, with possibly more, right?

Under domestic violence, will this be considered "in the presence of a child"? If so, he gets more than 6. And I certainly expect the Vikings will cut him this week.

No, it wouldn't. He was disciplining his child in a legal manner but it was excessive.

Regarding the bolded, that's crazy.

As it was excessive, Peterson was not doing it in a "legal manner." That's completely asinine.

The act of beating a child with a stick to the point of bruising and bleeding is illegal. It is absolutely irrelevant if, just before you started beating him with a stick, that the child pushed his brother while playing video games.

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

On that note, in the texts Peterson says he doesn't count how many times he hits a child in a "whooping" and he didn't realize it was lashing around his legs or his scrotum. Again, the child is four years old.

To me, that suggests he was either out of control or not trying to restrain himself by paying attention. But to those who say I can't know that...you're right. It's possible he meant to lash his child on the scrotum and the back of his legs. But the texts suggest otherwise.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game.

What his son did could have seriously injured another child. Peterson obviously needs parenting class to learn how to raise children as well as anger management, but he was no doubt reasonably upset about what may have happened.

That's nice. Also, irrelevant.

Did we ever find out what made Ray Rice so mad at his wife? Maybe he was "reasonably upset" too.

Hitting a woman is illegal under all circumstances while using a switch on a child is legal in Texas.

Using a switch on a child is legal, but child abuse is not. You seem to think that the fact that Peterson decided to abuse his child with a switch confers some kind of magical legal immunity on whatever he does with it.

"I'm sorry ma'am, this would be child abuse, but unfortunately he used a switch, so there's nothing we can do."

 

[cstu]

Up to 95%.

How are people supposed to know what their exact BAC level is before getting into the car? How do people know that the water isn't too hot when they put their kids in the bath?

They're required to know. Society imposes a duty to know. That is the essence of charges based on negligence and recklessness. He's not being charged with doing it on purpose, but he still went over the line, and the law says that you are required to know where that line is. Peterson either didn't (negligent) or did but didn't care (reckless).

- Reckless: not showing proper concern about the possible bad results of your actions

If Peterson had used a switch the exact same way other times without this result then he was showing proper concern. The prosecution will need to prove that this time was different than the other times he used the switch without causing bleeding/bruising.

 

[Henry Ford]

Putting aside the predictable debate here on the morality of his actions...

My thought, no chance Peterson avoids the 6 game suspension, with possibly more, right?

Under domestic violence, will this be considered "in the presence of a child"? If so, he gets more than 6. And I certainly expect the Vikings will cut him this week.

No, it wouldn't. He was disciplining his child in a legal manner but it was excessive.

Regarding the bolded, that's crazy.

As it was excessive, Peterson was not doing it in a "legal manner." That's completely asinine.

The act of beating a child with a stick to the point of bruising and bleeding is illegal. It is absolutely irrelevant if, just before you started beating him with a stick, that the child pushed his brother while playing video games.

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

I don't know, but the kid started bleeding and he kept hitting

 

[cstu]

Using a switch on a child is legal, but child abuse is not. You seem to think that the fact that Peterson decided to abuse his child with a switch confers some kind of magical legal immunity on whatever he does with it.

"I'm sorry ma'am, this would be child abuse, but unfortunately he used a switch, so there's nothing we can do."

From a legal perspective in Texas, that's the truth. They won't be able to prove he was reckless.

 

[cstu]

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

I don't know, but the kid started bleeding and he kept hitting

Prove that he saw bleeding and didn't stop.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I seem not be getting through to you so let me sum it up:

- The use of switches should be illegal

- The use of switches are legal in Texas (and other states)

- Peterson did what many well-meaning parents in Texas do but went too far

- By demonizing Peterson you are obscuring the bigger issue that the use of switches should be illegal

- Rather than treating Peterson as a horrible person, the blame should go to a horrible society that tells parents that hitting kids with switches is ok.

No, no, no. This is a case of Adrian Peterson and his son. It's not a chance to hijack it into "should switches be legal." Because it will devolve into whether physical discipline is okay or not. And that's NOT the issue here.

The issue here is whether this case (from the photos we've seen and the data we have) is child abuse or not. If you think switches should be illegal, that's cool. But abuse in this case proves abuse in this case -- not that it should be applied to all cases.

 

[Henry Ford]

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

I don't know, but the kid started bleeding and he kept hitting

Prove that he saw bleeding and didn't stop.

Prove that I alleged that he saw it.

 

[HughHoney]

The beatings AP took as a child has made him the man he is today. A man that isn't sure how many children he has and couldn't take care of at least one from a monster who beat him to death. Great guy that AP. What he did to an innocent kid is a much more heinous act than what Rice did to his GF.

 

[cstu]

I seem not be getting through to you so let me sum it up:

- The use of switches should be illegal

- The use of switches are legal in Texas (and other states)

- Peterson did what many well-meaning parents in Texas do but went too far

- By demonizing Peterson you are obscuring the bigger issue that the use of switches should be illegal

- Rather than treating Peterson as a horrible person, the blame should go to a horrible society that tells parents that hitting kids with switches is ok.

No, no, no. This is a case of Adrian Peterson and his son. It's not a chance to hijack it into "should switches be legal." Because it will devolve into whether physical discipline is okay or not. And that's NOT the issue here.

The issue here is whether this case (from the photos we've seen and the data we have) is child abuse or not. If you think switches should be illegal, that's cool. But abuse in this case proves abuse in this case -- not that it should be applied to all cases.

Yeah, let's keep switches legal so that non-high profile parents can abuse their children under the belief they are doing good for child and never be punished. Switch-using parents today are saying "Tsk, tsk, Adrian needs to learn how to switch a child correctly".

 

[Ghost Rider]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

 

[cstu]

The beatings AP took as a child has made him the man he is today. A man that isn't sure how many children he has and couldn't take care of at least one from a monster who beat him to death. Great guy that AP. What he did to an innocent kid is a much more heinous act than what Rice did to his GF.

Yes, and what he did happens tens of thousands of times (at least) every day in this country and no one cares.

 

[HughHoney]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

Exactly. Is he even showing any remorse?

 

[cstu]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

Yes, #### AP and #### every parent who uses a switch on their child.

 

[HughHoney]

The beatings AP took as a child has made him the man he is today. A man that isn't sure how many children he has and couldn't take care of at least one from a monster who beat him to death. Great guy that AP. What he did to an innocent kid is a much more heinous act than what Rice did to his GF.

Yes, and what he did happens tens of thousands of times (at least) every day in this country and no one cares.

Tens of thousands of times a day kids are getting hit till they bleed by their parents?

 

[cstu]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

Exactly. Is he even showing any remorse?

That's the whole point - the use of a switch is indoctrinated into people in many parts of the country. Peterson and parents like him can't comprehend that they are doing anything wrong because they don't know any better.

 

[cstu]

The beatings AP took as a child has made him the man he is today. A man that isn't sure how many children he has and couldn't take care of at least one from a monster who beat him to death. Great guy that AP. What he did to an innocent kid is a much more heinous act than what Rice did to his GF.

Yes, and what he did happens tens of thousands of times (at least) every day in this country and no one cares.

Tens of thousands of times a day kids are getting hit till they bleed by their parents?

Even if it only happens tens of thousands of times in a year, does that make it any better?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Interesting times we live in... I grew up thinking my Dad was the smartest guy in the world until.. well I still kinda think he is.

For the children of this generation, you the parent are displaced as their go-to for information the minute they learn how to use Google. How do you as a parent tell your kid that you know better, when in 5 seconds they can legitimately argue that you don't?

I remember when I first moved to the US and found it absurd, as an eight year old, that kids received ribbons for merely participating... And that was almost 30 years ago. The level of coddling from what I've seen has only grown exponentially since then. For parents that feel words are enough to raise a successful child... you should perhaps consider that there are socioeconomic conditions and family patterns, cultures and situations that differ greatly from yours. Realize that your perspectives and judgments cast fall comfortably into the time honored adage of opinions and a-holes.

It's very likely that the public court of opinion, not the Texas courts or the NFL, will decide AP's fate this season. The Vikings PR team will eventually decide whether they can salvage this situation and keep playing AP by spinning this story as a "Loving father who went too far and now is sorry". Thusfar there have been some "spare the rod, spoil the child" public sentiments in AP's corner so this scenario is definitely not out of the question. The mere fact that there is such an intense debate regarding the severity of his methods on this very forum should suggest that this and the Rice case are in completely different realms.

Whipping a 4 year old kid is wrong in any country and any planet. There are better ways to get your point across then whipping someone.

 

[HughHoney]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

Exactly. Is he even showing any remorse?

That's the whole point - the use of a switch is indoctrinated into people in many parts of the country. Peterson and parents like him can't comprehend that they are doing anything wrong because they don't know any better.

That's not a good enough excuse buddy. Do you excuse racist people because they live in racist communities, with racist parents and racist friends?

The "they don't know any better" argument is no good. This ain't a third world country. People got them there TV's and something you might have heard of called newspapers. They even got this thing called the internet.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I normally don't say things this blunt, but #### you, Adrian Peterson.

Exactly. Is he even showing any remorse?

That's the whole point - the use of a switch is indoctrinated into people in many parts of the country. Peterson and parents like him can't comprehend that they are doing anything wrong because they don't know any better.

Ignorance card is weak.

 

[GulfTider]

The Minneapolis Star-Tribune considers it "likely" that the Vikings or the NFL will "take action" against Adrian Peterson on Monday, fallowing his indictment on charges of reckless and negligent injury to a child.

In other words, there's more discipline coming on top of Peterson's Week 2 deactivation. The details of Peterson's alleged mistreatment of his four-year-old son have caused an uproar, which may necessitate a harsh penalty from the NFL. At this point, there is simply no timetable for Peterson to return. Peterson's fantasy owners can hang on, but need to grab Matt Asiata. Intriguing rookie Jerick McKinnon is also worth stashing. Asiata could push for 20 carries in Sunday's game against the Patriots.

 

[chinawildman]

Interesting times we live in... I grew up thinking my Dad was the smartest guy in the world until.. well I still kinda think he is.

For the children of this generation, you the parent are displaced as their go-to for information the minute they learn how to use Google. How do you as a parent tell your kid that you know better, when in 5 seconds they can legitimately argue that you don't?

I remember when I first moved to the US and found it absurd, as an eight year old, that kids received ribbons for merely participating... And that was almost 30 years ago. The level of coddling from what I've seen has only grown exponentially since then. For parents that feel words are enough to raise a successful child... you should perhaps consider that there are socioeconomic conditions and family patterns, cultures and situations that differ greatly from yours. Realize that your perspectives and judgments cast fall comfortably into the time honored adage of opinions and a-holes.

It's very likely that the public court of opinion, not the Texas courts or the NFL, will decide AP's fate this season. The Vikings PR team will eventually decide whether they can salvage this situation and keep playing AP by spinning this story as a "Loving father who went too far and now is sorry". Thusfar there have been some "spare the rod, spoil the child" public sentiments in AP's corner so this scenario is definitely not out of the question. The mere fact that there is such an intense debate regarding the severity of his methods on this very forum should suggest that this and the Rice case are in completely different realms.

Whipping a 4 year old kid is wrong in any country and any planet. There are better ways to get your point across then whipping someone.

Spoken like a true American, where at least you know you're free... except when it comes to consuming banned substances, physically disciplining your child, or driving without wearing your seat belt, or...

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

In the wake of the Ray Rice debacle, I just don't see how the NFL can possibly slow play this one.

They almost are cornered into having to suspend him indefinitely. Which I feel is the correct thing to do anyway.

 

[3quinox]

Football Career: In 2012 I'd of said his career got derailed and was over after destroying his knee. I can't believe this this is what he did and will be remembered for. On a humanitarian note as a person: that FU## needs to be suspended indefinitely. maybe him, ray rice, and joe jackson can start a bowling league

 

[gradin123]

The thing is the NFL just announced what the punishment would be for domestic abuse. I don't see why this wouldn't fall under those guidlines. 6 games for first offense and then lifetime ban. Domestic Violence is never pretty.

Imo, the NFL has to stick to a specified punishment. Maybe that punishment could be increased to like 1 year then lifetime but these indefinite bans just don't work IMO and probably aren't even legal.

The one cavaet I have to put out there is I do think you have to let the courts decide whether these allegations are true before any punishment comes down. I could see disgruntled EX's making up abuse allegations against NFL players in the future to exort players because they know the punishment is so tough.

 

[BaBastage]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

Bzzt. Wrong. First off, the "state where the event happened" is the state pressing charges. Second, Upbringing in a culture is an unacceptable excuse. See: Mike Vick. Just because you didn't think something was wrong made it not be wrong.

Third... ok. Maybe it's unfair for AP to be punished more than less-known parents who believe the behavior is acceptable.

This is *exactly* how to change the country's perception and laws, by bringing things out into the open in very visible, public cases.

 

[Henry Ford]

The thing is the NFL just announced what the punishment would be for domestic abuse. I don't see why this wouldn't fall under those guidlines. 6 games for first offense and then lifetime ban. Domestic Violence is never pretty.

Imo, the NFL has to stick to a specified punishment. Maybe that punishment could be increased to like 1 year then lifetime but these indefinite bans just don't work IMO and probably aren't even legal.

The one cavaet I have to put out there is I do think you have to let the courts decide whether these allegations are true before any punishment comes down. I could see disgruntled EX's making up abuse allegations against NFL players in the future to exort players because they know the punishment is so tough.

I believe the NFL said 6 games plus more for other factors. They gave as an example if children were involved in the domestic abuse situation, I think.

 

[gradin123]

In the wake of the Ray Rice debacle, I just don't see how the NFL can possibly slow play this one.

They almost are cornered into having to suspend him indefinitely. Which I feel is the correct thing to do anyway.

I don't like indefinite suspensions. I think they have to come up with a specified policy and stick with it. I would say 1 Year ban and extensive counselling for first offence and lifetime ban for 2nd offence.

 

[Csonka4life]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

Bzzt. Wrong. First off, the "state where the event happened" is the state pressing charges. Second, Upbringing in a culture is an unacceptable excuse. See: Mike Vick. Just because you didn't think something was wrong made it not be wrong.

Third... ok. Maybe it's unfair for AP to be punished more than less-known parents who believe the behavior is acceptable.

This is *exactly* how to change the country's perception and laws, by bringing things out into the open in very visible, public cases.

There is no way Vick thought dog fighting was legal. If that were the case his ring would have been advertised in the local papers or at least hand bills would have been put on lamp posts and car windshields.

 

[chinawildman]

The one cavaet I have to put out there is I do think you have to let the courts decide whether these allegations are true before any punishment comes down. I could see disgruntled EX's making up abuse allegations against NFL players in the future to exort players because they know the punishment is so tough.

This. I feel like a lot of the people calling for AP's head here are forgetting that Greg Hardy, who had already been found GUILTY of charges in a domestic abuse case in July, has yet to receive any discipline from the league. IMO if AP misses time this season, it will be doled out by the Vikings themselves. The NFL can certain try to make an example of AP by levying an immediate suspension, but that is certainly not going to sit well with the NFLPA.

 

[BaBastage]

How is a parent using a switch supposed to know the exact amount of force and number of times he can hit a child before the bruising and bleeding happens? That's what is so ####ed up about switches being legal to use.

I don't know, but the kid started bleeding and he kept hitting

Prove that he saw bleeding and didn't stop.

Irrelevant. Ignorance is not a legal defense.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Interesting times we live in... I grew up thinking my Dad was the smartest guy in the world until.. well I still kinda think he is.

For the children of this generation, you the parent are displaced as their go-to for information the minute they learn how to use Google. How do you as a parent tell your kid that you know better, when in 5 seconds they can legitimately argue that you don't?

I remember when I first moved to the US and found it absurd, as an eight year old, that kids received ribbons for merely participating... And that was almost 30 years ago. The level of coddling from what I've seen has only grown exponentially since then. For parents that feel words are enough to raise a successful child... you should perhaps consider that there are socioeconomic conditions and family patterns, cultures and situations that differ greatly from yours. Realize that your perspectives and judgments cast fall comfortably into the time honored adage of opinions and a-holes.

It's very likely that the public court of opinion, not the Texas courts or the NFL, will decide AP's fate this season. The Vikings PR team will eventually decide whether they can salvage this situation and keep playing AP by spinning this story as a "Loving father who went too far and now is sorry". Thusfar there have been some "spare the rod, spoil the child" public sentiments in AP's corner so this scenario is definitely not out of the question. The mere fact that there is such an intense debate regarding the severity of his methods on this very forum should suggest that this and the Rice case are in completely different realms.

Whipping a 4 year old kid is wrong in any country and any planet. There are better ways to get your point across then whipping someone.

Spoken like a true American, where at least you know you're free... except when it comes to consuming banned substances, physically disciplining your child, or driving without wearing your seat belt, or...

Is there something wrong with being American? I'm proud of it. "Physically disciplining a child", think about that. Only a ##### hits a kid or a woman, I don't care what culture you are from.

 

[Daywalker]

The one cavaet I have to put out there is I do think you have to let the courts decide whether these allegations are true before any punishment comes down. I could see disgruntled EX's making up abuse allegations against NFL players in the future to exort players because they know the punishment is so tough.

This. I feel like a lot of the people calling for AP's head here are forgetting that Greg Hardy, who had already been found GUILTY of charges in a domestic abuse case in July, has yet to receive any discipline from the league. IMO if AP misses time this season, it will be doled out by the Vikings themselves. The NFL can certain try to make an example of AP by levying an immediate suspension, but that is certainly not going to sit well with the NFLPA.

If I was the Viks I'd suspend AP for 4 games. Get him counseling and let due process take it's course which will likely conclude down the road after the season. At that point the league can decide whether 4 games is enough or if the policy they come up with/negotiate dictates a longer suspension.

 

[mrbigg]

The one cavaet I have to put out there is I do think you have to let the courts decide whether these allegations are true before any punishment comes down. I could see disgruntled EX's making up abuse allegations against NFL players in the future to exort players because they know the punishment is so tough.

This. I feel like a lot of the people calling for AP's head here are forgetting that Greg Hardy, who had already been found GUILTY of charges in a domestic abuse case in July, has yet to receive any discipline from the league. IMO if AP misses time this season, it will be doled out by the Vikings themselves. The NFL can certain try to make an example of AP by levying an immediate suspension, but that is certainly not going to sit well with the NFLPA.

If I was the Viks I'd suspend AP for 4 games. Get him counseling and let due process take it's course which will likely conclude down the road after the season. At that point the league can decide whether 4 games is enough or if the policy they come up with/negotiate dictates a longer suspension.

I believe that would be the course of action only if this Ray Rice thing didn't recently happen. I think it's going to be a heavy punishment.