Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (4 Viewers)

[bagger]

Didn't know it was a 4 year old, that changes everything. You should be able to handle someone that young differently.

true. If the kid was 5 it would be totally fine to beat him.

 

[VaTerp]

Another thought, does anyone else feel like its a bit hypocritical of us to pile on to these guys for reasons that have nothing to do with what we glorify them for in the first place?

Not condoning any of their actions or the NFL's lack of action. Just food for thought. They are professional football players - we expect them to be good at football. They're not in the NFL for being stand up members of the community.

I'm not trying to take a stand one way or the other here, so please don't flame me too much. Just trying to make a bigger point about us enjoying and celebrating violence on the field.

Also I love football.

But they're also very public figures, and more importantly role models for children of all ages. It comes with the territory of being on TV every week, having shoe deals, and being on cereal boxes. It's not like this is a surprise to players that part of being a star in the NFL also makes them a celebrity. We glorify them because they have achieved the pinnacle of success in their field, doing what most of us could never possibly do. They represent an idealistic dream of getting paid millions of dollars to "play a game" every week. They're much more than guys throwin' around the pigskin. It's on them to act how they want to act, but they don't get to hide behind the "I'm just a human" excuse. Yes, people make mistakes, but if NFL players didn't want to be under constant public scrutiny, they should've gone into a different career.

This is such a tired line. Every adult is a role model for children, whether they like it or not. There are tons of kids who couldn't care less about the NFL and couldn't name 5 players. WHO ARE THEIR ROLE MODELS? Every adult they observe on a daily basis.

WE are the ones who make a big deal of athletically gifted and well compensated 20 somethings and put them under public scrutiny. Yes, they have a great opportunity but that doesn't change the fact that they are 20 something year old humans who are going to do some dumb ish. Pretty much all of us do.

When they get caught doing negative stuff then they deal with the consequences like everybody else. But let's stop acting like it's the end of the world or like they are so different than the rest of us just so some of us can point fingers and feel better about ourselves.

Yeah, but I'm starting to wonder if the NFL as an institution is doing a lousy job producing stand-up athletes that can make nice in a society that includes you and me. I know the company I work for and I can assure you it has a FAR less crime ratio than the NFL does. And my company is not in the business of entertaining the public - you know, the people who ultimately pay money to root for these players.Some of this is self righteous finger pointing, for sure. But some of it is also a legitimate concern that the NFL has somehow become a breeding ground for violent criminals.

Disagree. There are plenty of stand up athletes in the NFL. You and the media chose what you want to focus on.

And that sort of misses the entire point anyway.

The NFl has about 2000 guys who play in the league every year. Any business that employs that many people in a blue collar violent job are going to have X amount of F@#k ups. While I think it's higher than say hockey which is another violent sport they also have 2.5 times the employees too.

This is likely not a popular opinion on this site but I think a lot of that also has to do with race.

I happen to have had the opportunity to be around a lot of high level athletes in my life. Professional hockey and baseball players are some wild guys in my experience who do many of the same things that football and basketball players do. But they get arrested for the same type of behavior at a much lesser rate. Similar to the racial discrepancies for the documented history of drug use vs arrest in this country.

So when Joe policeman knocks on an upscale house and meets X hockey player he is going to give him a pass on the potential charge? In many cities hockey players are barely known. In Canada or cities where hockey is popular I can see this, but in Miami? Baseball I can see it as the players are much more high profile.

No, it's not about recognizing them as athletes or getting a pass once a policeman goes to someone's house. The point is that blacks are more likely to be arrested for the same behavior as whites. For example, numerous studies have shown that blacks and whites use marijuana at roughly the same rate yet blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested for possession. And black drivers are about 3 times more likely than whites to be pulled over for investigatory traffic stops. These disparities increase when you are talking about young black males.

So my point is that baseball and hockey players are less likely to be arrested than their NFL and NBA counterparts for the same behaviors. But this is not applicable to the Adrian Peterson situation and this thread. More appropriate for the shut it down thread that's going on right now.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Didn't know it was a 4 year old, that changes everything. You should be able to handle someone that young differently.

Yep. Just saw the age. Makes his actions all the more in-appropriate. Kids should be getting time outs and privileges taken away as punishment at 4.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

 

[JohnnyU]

Didn't know it was a 4 year old, that changes everything. You should be able to handle someone that young differently.

true. If the kid was 5 it would be totally fine to beat him.

More like 12 and I like to refer to it more as an attitude adjustment and not to beat them. You can correct a 12 year old with a whipping and not break the skin or break something.

 

[VaTerp]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

I haven' talked to any social workers about this situation like MOP but as I said before I worked directly with kids for a number of years---ran a Boys and Girls Club, taught high school, and oversaw youth summer camps and sports leagues in my past professional life. Unfortunately I've even had to report a suspected case of child abuse and have talked to many social workers in a professional capacity.

I think there is a HUGE overreaction going on in this thread. HUGE. Based on what we know of the situation I think Peterson was too heavy handed in the physical discipline of his child. To a criminal degree? I don't think so, again based on the limited info we have available but the Texas legal system will determine that. I think he needs some counseling and/or classes and, provided this is an isolated incident, go on about his life.

The overreaction here is comical to me and I'm willing to bet that Peterson gets no more than a 2-4 game suspension at most. But the lynch mob here is in full effect and many seem to be suggesting he be cut by the Vikings and banned by the NFL indefinitely. Ridiculous IMO.

 

[fatness]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

 

[ditka311]

I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't have any problem with spanking as a form of punishment or to promote behavior modification in kids. Obviously, I think there are factors and limits, such as the age of the child, frequency of spanking... but I don't see any reason for the need of any additional instrument beyond an open palm to the butt.

I would never use a switch, but I'm not surprised some do. However, looking at the pictures were depressing and IMO child abuse. If AP had hit the boy with a switch (or whatever) and broke the skin, making the child bleed, he needed to stop immediately because at that point, it had already gone from punishment to potential child abuse. The fact he obviously continued and struck the boy multiple times, drawing blood, tells me he let his anger get the best of him and he hurt that boy.

This sums up my thoughts exactly. Nice post.

 

[sho nuff]

I think what the state may do is very close to what was said above.

I audited the TN dept of Children's Services and there were saw some gruesome stuff in casefiles.

Given the interviews and that it appears to be more out of a want for discipline vs. drunk father beating his kids. Counseling/parenting classes would be the likely outcome.

Maybe supervised visitation type things for a bit. And so on.

But the NFL...Vikings...may drop the hammer.

 

[Henry Ford]

Here is a different take on these recent issues:

As a child - let's say your Dad whooped you with a switch. Let's say people generally say that it is wrong and your an ##### for doing that. Isn't it better for everybody to handle things internally? I would think that the child loves his Dad and would want him to be able to make a living. Making a better living in turn will create a better life for the child and the baby momma. So Daddy got carried away whipping me once - let's handle it internally (without police)....

As a wife/husband - let's say your wife is abusing you or vice-versa. You love her/she loves you. Yeah it would be great to have everything in your relationship be puppies and rainbows, but for whatever reason it just isn't perfect. Husband/wife makes a bad choice and gets arrested in a domestic dispute. Aren't things going to work out better for everybody if everything is done to minimize the action (stand by your man/woman to get the least possible punishment-getting the least possible punishment will allow the couple to get through the situation better). If he/she is going to stay with the person who is in question - who is anybody to say anything? Now I understand that the Ray Rice situation is a little different. Knocking someone out cold is getting way out of hand and is over the top. But she did choose to stay with him and marry him...

I realize that this type of thought may offend man-haters and rights activists - but calling the cops or getting the cops involved has a huge impact. I say handle things internally or leave the situation - better results all around for everybody involved.

Have you ever had a family member who was a victim of domestic abuse and/or child abuse?

 

[VaTerp]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

You really think the NFL would measurably narrow it's fanbase with a 4 game or less suspension? I disagree with that suggestion entirely. I've been involved in conversations about this in other forums and circles and the opinions are not nearly as one sided as they are in this thread. Not even close.

This situation is much more of a grey area than many here seem to think.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't have any problem with spanking as a form of punishment or to promote behavior modification in kids. Obviously, I think there are factors and limits, such as the age of the child, frequency of spanking... but I don't see any reason for the need of any additional instrument beyond an open palm to the butt.

I would never use a switch, but I'm not surprised some do. However, looking at the pictures were depressing and IMO child abuse. If AP had hit the boy with a switch (or whatever) and broke the skin, making the child bleed, he needed to stop immediately because at that point, it had already gone from punishment to potential child abuse. The fact he obviously continued and struck the boy multiple times, drawing blood, tells me he let his anger get the best of him and he hurt that boy.

This sums up my thoughts exactly. Nice post.

I'll add that his texts acknowledging that he whipped the kid's genitals and left a mark by accident are likely enough to get him convicted of the reckless/negligent statute.

 

[shader]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

 

[Henry Ford]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

could see it

 

[ericttspikes]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

 

[Henry Ford]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Can you tell us more about what you observed when you personally examined the child, doctor?

Oh, I see. Peterson admitting in a text that he accidentally left a mark on the kid's nuts is insufficient. What kind of evidence do you need, exactly?

 

[cstu]

I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't have any problem with spanking as a form of punishment or to promote behavior modification in kids. Obviously, I think there are factors and limits, such as the age of the child, frequency of spanking... but I don't see any reason for the need of any additional instrument beyond an open palm to the butt.

I would never use a switch, but I'm not surprised some do. However, looking at the pictures were depressing and IMO child abuse. If AP had hit the boy with a switch (or whatever) and broke the skin, making the child bleed, he needed to stop immediately because at that point, it had already gone from punishment to potential child abuse. The fact he obviously continued and struck the boy multiple times, drawing blood, tells me he let his anger get the best of him and he hurt that boy.

How long does it take for someone to start bleeding? AP said he hit him with a switch 10-15 times and he could have done that in 10 seconds, not enough time to notice bleeding.

That's my biggest issue with using a switch - the parent doesn't know they've gone too far until after the fact.

 

[VaTerp]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Can you tell us more about what you observed when you personally examined the child, doctor?

Oh, I see. Peterson admitting in a text that he accidentally left a mark on the kid's nuts is insufficient. What kind of evidence do you need, exactly?

Left a mark does not equate to drawing blood. But I reread the report and retracted my post.

 

[Henry Ford]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Can you tell us more about what you observed when you personally examined the child, doctor?

Oh, I see. Peterson admitting in a text that he accidentally left a mark on the kid's nuts is insufficient. What kind of evidence do you need, exactly?

Left a mark does not equate to drawing blood. But I reread the report and retracted my post.

Does that mean you deleted your insultingly sarcastic post when you realized you were wrong?

 

[VaTerp]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

That report has been shared and doesnt change my opinion.

Having a "whooping room" doesnt mean this wasn't an isolated incident. "Whooping" his kids is not illegal in Texas and many parts of the country as much as some here think it should be. He took the whooping too far by his own estimation but at this point there is no evidence that this wasnt an isolated case.

 

[VaTerp]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Can you tell us more about what you observed when you personally examined the child, doctor?

Oh, I see. Peterson admitting in a text that he accidentally left a mark on the kid's nuts is insufficient. What kind of evidence do you need, exactly?

Left a mark does not equate to drawing blood. But I reread the report and retracted my post.

Does that mean you deleted your insultingly sarcastic post when you realized you were wrong?

Yes. Again "left a mark" does not equate to drawing blood as you suggested but my post to you was ill advised nonetheless.

 

[Henry Ford]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.

But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Can you tell us more about what you observed when you personally examined the child, doctor?

Oh, I see. Peterson admitting in a text that he accidentally left a mark on the kid's nuts is insufficient. What kind of evidence do you need, exactly?

Left a mark does not equate to drawing blood. But I reread the report and retracted my post.

Does that mean you deleted your insultingly sarcastic post when you realized you were wrong?

Yes. Again "left a mark" does not equate to drawing blood as you suggested but my post to you was ill advised nonetheless.

I look forward to accepting your apology when it arrives.

 

[maf005]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't have any problem with spanking as a form of punishment or to promote behavior modification in kids. Obviously, I think there are factors and limits, such as the age of the child, frequency of spanking... but I don't see any reason for the need of any additional instrument beyond an open palm to the butt.

I would never use a switch, but I'm not surprised some do. However, looking at the pictures were depressing and IMO child abuse. If AP had hit the boy with a switch (or whatever) and broke the skin, making the child bleed, he needed to stop immediately because at that point, it had already gone from punishment to potential child abuse. The fact he obviously continued and struck the boy multiple times, drawing blood, tells me he let his anger get the best of him and he hurt that boy.

How long does it take for someone to start bleeding? AP said he hit him with a switch 10-15 times and he could have done that in 10 seconds, not enough time to notice bleeding.

That's my biggest issue with using a switch - the parent doesn't know they've gone too far until after the fact.

I agree. We all have to decide how to discipline our children. Like I said, I think an open handed spanking to a child as a form of punishment or behavior modification is acceptable IMO. I don't understand why someone would need a belt, switch, or anything else.Also new to me are the emails/texts referenced in the last few posts. That surely makes it sound like this wasn't a one time incident where Peterson just went too far, it sounds like he often disciplined his children with physical punishment.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's crazy to think there are parts of the country where this even remotely falls into any kind of grey area. If you don't know how to discipline a 4 year old without resorting to physical violence, you're literally ######ed.

 

[Henry Ford]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

 

[ShamrockPride]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

People quite clearly intentionally ignoring this post to promote their own extremist, knee-jerk reaction agendas.

 

[maf005]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

People quite clearly intentionally ignoring this post to promote their own extremist, knee-jerk reaction agendas.

This thread, along with the Rice thread, is unreadable because of it. We really need a separate forum other than the Shark Pool for these suspension threads

 

[Gr00vus]

It's crazy to think there are parts of the country where this even remotely falls into any kind of grey area. If you don't know how to discipline a 4 year old without resorting to physical violence, you're literally ######ed.

There's no justification for hitting/beating children. None.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

People quite clearly intentionally ignoring this post to promote their own extremist, knee-jerk reaction agendas.

Nobody's ignoring it. This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

 

[LBH]

How anybody can look at the pictures and not think this is child abuse is beyond me. The NFL is going to come down hard on him after all the backlash from the Rice fiasco

 

[VaTerp]

I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't have any problem with spanking as a form of punishment or to promote behavior modification in kids. Obviously, I think there are factors and limits, such as the age of the child, frequency of spanking... but I don't see any reason for the need of any additional instrument beyond an open palm to the butt.

I would never use a switch, but I'm not surprised some do. However, looking at the pictures were depressing and IMO child abuse. If AP had hit the boy with a switch (or whatever) and broke the skin, making the child bleed, he needed to stop immediately because at that point, it had already gone from punishment to potential child abuse. The fact he obviously continued and struck the boy multiple times, drawing blood, tells me he let his anger get the best of him and he hurt that boy.

How long does it take for someone to start bleeding? AP said he hit him with a switch 10-15 times and he could have done that in 10 seconds, not enough time to notice bleeding.

That's my biggest issue with using a switch - the parent doesn't know they've gone too far until after the fact.

I agree. We all have to decide how to discipline our children. Like I said, I think an open handed spanking to a child as a form of punishment or behavior modification is acceptable IMO. I don't understand why someone would need a belt, switch, or anything else.Also new to me are the emails/texts referenced in the last few posts. That surely makes it sound like this wasn't a one time incident where Peterson just went too far, it sounds like he often disciplined his children with physical punishment.

I disagree. Peterson admits that he disciplines his children with physical punishment, which many here obviously disagree with but is neither illegal or socially unacceptable to many.

In this instance he went too far which it sounds like he realized afterwards. He goes on to state that he is going to start using "timeout" more and that he felt bad because he didnt realize the switch was wrapping around the kids leg.

So physical punishment of his kids is not an isolated incident, going too far in this manner would appear to be based on the info available at this time.

 

[cstu]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

 

[VaTerp]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

But because I don't find it acceptable and because I don't agree with physical discipline of children and because a bunch of other people on the internet agree with ME, he MUST be kicked out of the league.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

 

[fatness]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

You really think the NFL would measurably narrow it's fanbase with a 4 game or less suspension?

At this time, with the NFL getting a ton of negative blowback from fans for going light on abuse of women, going light on abuse of kids will hurt them. The owners can either ignore that, hunker down, and hope things die down til the next abuse case becomes public. Or they can can be tough on Peterson like they've been on Rice, which ultimately will make them more money by keeping the fanbase bigger. The owners care about making money.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?

Moral relativism is tricky business

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

 

[fatness]

And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

No, they don't.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

C'mon guys, everyone knows that nothing terrible has ever been widely accepted in the South.

 

[tone1oc]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Maybe that is why the south has higher obesity rates and lower literacy rates

 

[Ghost Rider]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?

Moral relativism is tricky business

Serious question: do you think it is okay for a father, especially one as big and strong as Adrian Peterson, to spank his child to the point where he leaves like the bruises like the ones we saw in the pictures?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

Your southern prejudice is showing.

And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do

 

[Billy Bats]

ADPs mugshot, he doesn't look too concerned.

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2014/09/13/adrian-peterson-mug-shot-child-abuse-arrested-booked

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?

Moral relativism is tricky business

Serious question: do you think it is okay for a father, especially one as big and strong as Adrian Peterson, to spank his child to the point where he leaves like the bruises like the ones we saw in the pictures?

I don't think the answer to this question has anything to do with how big and strong Adrian Peterson is.

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

Your southern prejudice is showing.

Am I prejudiced against places where they think beating a 4 year old with a stick is acceptable?

Yep, guilty as charged. Not going to apologize for that.

 

[ang12]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?Moral relativism is tricky business

Serious question: do you think it is okay for a father, especially one as big and strong as Adrian Peterson, to spank his child to the point where he leaves like the bruises like the ones we saw in the pictures?

I don't think the answer to this question has anything to do with how big and strong Adrian Peterson is.But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Got it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?

Moral relativism is tricky business

Serious question: do you think it is okay for a father, especially one as big and strong as Adrian Peterson, to spank his child to the point where he leaves like the bruises like the ones we saw in the pictures?

I don't think the answer to this question has anything to do with how big and strong Adrian Peterson is.

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Wow. I'd hate to be your kid.