Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

[fourd]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This kid must have been really bad to get a whipping like that. 4-year olds these days.

 

[Henry Ford]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

People quite clearly intentionally ignoring this post to promote their own extremist, knee-jerk reaction agendas.

I'm an attorney in Louisiana and I've personally seen the state take kids away and put them in foster care for injuries that weren't as bad as these.

 

[treat88]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

Your southern prejudice is showing.

Am I prejudiced against places where they think beating a 4 year old with a stick is acceptable?

Yep, guilty as charged. Not going to apologize for that.

Agreed.

As a father, it is simply unfathomable to me to do that to a child, even moreso to a 4 year old.

If that behavior is is culturally ingrained in some, that culture needs to be forcibly educated into better behavior.

 

[Henry Ford]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

Disagree. He admits this branch was different and he failed to realize it was longer and whipping around the side and back of the kid.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I am from Canada and I got the odd spanking from both my mom and dad as a child. My mom and dad would use their hand and I was rarely if ever spanked. It was more so a threat of the spanking then the actual spanking. They also would never use a belt or any other means to spank me. It would also be just a one time thing, there was no repetitive 10 spanks in a row. In fact the spanking was more so grabbing me in the act as I may have been fighting my brother or sister and a slap to the rear end as they were pulling me away from the fight. My parents also would more so use a talking and why that is wrong sort of punishment and take things away that they know I liked.

These actions by Peterson are quite alarming. There is no defence for this type of parenting. There is no defence for what he did and he deserves a year long suspension and some parent counselling to change his actions. I am not questioning his love for his children. I would think he loves his children a lot but it is not acceptable to beat your children.

I don't think it is a good defence to say well 'others' do it. Others used to have slaves, others used to whip students at school, others used to make students kneel in the corners by themselves. Things need to change if 'others' are doing what Peterson does and if they have to make Peterson the example then I am all for it as we need to think of the children here.

 

[VaTerp]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

You really think the NFL would measurably narrow it's fanbase with a 4 game or less suspension?

At this time, with the NFL getting a ton of negative blowback from fans for going light on abuse of women, going light on abuse of kids will hurt them. The owners can either ignore that, hunker down, and hope things die down til the next abuse case becomes public. Or they can can be tough on Peterson like they've been on Rice, which ultimately will make them more money by keeping the fanbase bigger. The owners care about making money.

Absolutely they are about making money but I think you and others are severely overestimating how public opinion will go on this case in the coming weeks. It is so different than the Rice situation that it's not even really relevant IMO.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?Moral relativism is tricky business

Serious question: do you think it is okay for a father, especially one as big and strong as Adrian Peterson, to spank his child to the point where he leaves like the bruises like the ones we saw in the pictures?

I don't think the answer to this question has anything to do with how big and strong Adrian Peterson is.But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Disgusting.

 

[biju]

I'm going to try to be impartial here in my reasoning for why Adrian Peterson might be banned for life.

Whether this is commonplace in the South or if there are "worse cases" isn't really the answers the NFL can give for not disciplining Peterson. Yes, it might really piss people off to hear this but the NFL is reeling right now and they need to be perceived as not being tolerant on these issues. And again, the fact of their being public photos where we can actually see the damage is going to factor. This is exactly what happened to Ray Rice.

Also, here's the DV text regarding punishment:

Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant. Among the circumstances that would merit a more severe penalty would be a prior incident before joining the NFL, or violence involving a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child

I'll be the very first to admit I do not know if what Peterson did will fall into this category but if the child is afraid of him and told prosecutors about how he might punch him, how he's been beat before and has a whooping room (which is probably just a spare room, not a torture dungeon like people are thinking) it might get close to being a DV case. If that happens we are immediately talking 6 games. But then the three other pieces of this which "would merit a more severe penalty" is:

- Violence involving a weapon. A "switch" might not be a weapon to you or me, but to a 4 year old that might be the case.

- Repeated striking. There's plenty of evidence there.

- When the act is committed in the presence of a child. In this case (if it goes to DV) it would be against the child.

Again, I don't know if the NFL immediately views it as DV, but the politics will certainly push it that direction and if that's the case Peterson might be in a lot of trouble.

 

[Shanahanigans]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

According to who?

Moral relativism is tricky business

This is why I say it's okay for those in Saudi Arabia to stone women who get raped as adulterers. It's a different world over there. Hooray for moral relativism!

 

[shader]

Can't imagine doing that to my child. Don't care what society thinks, i just know i'd feel like a monster doing that to the thing i love most.

So would I. It's awful that he went way too far and hopefully he learns his lesson.But what society thinks isn't always important. Id feel like a stone cold killer if we had an abortion and most around here don't bat an eye at it but whine and moan about Peterson drawing blood on the legs of his 4 year old.

And back, and arms, and hands, and buttocks, and genitals.

Yes. It's awful I agree

 

[ericttspikes]

Maybe Roger Goodell needs to see a reenactment of a 217 lb grown man whipping a 4 year old bloody with a stick before he decides what to do.

 

[fourd]

I am from Canada and I got the odd spanking from both my mom and dad as a child. My mom and dad would use their hand and I was rarely if ever spanked. It was more so a threat of the spanking then the actual spanking. They also would never use a belt or any other means to spank me. It would also be just a one time thing, there was no repetitive 10 spanks in a row. In fact the spanking was more so grabbing me in the act as I may have been fighting my brother or sister and a slap to the rear end as they were pulling me away from the fight. My parents also would more so use a talking and why that is wrong sort of punishment and take things away that they know I liked.

These actions by Peterson are quite alarming. There is no defence for this type of parenting. There is no defence for what he did and he deserves a year long suspension and some parent counselling to change his actions. I am not questioning his love for his children. I would think he loves his children a lot but it is not acceptable to beat your children.

I don't think it is a good defence to say well 'others' do it. Others used to have slaves, others used to whip students at school, others used to make students kneel in the corners by themselves. Things need to change if 'others' are doing what Peterson does and if they have to make Peterson the example then I am all for it as we need to think of the children here.

Some very good points. I've always wondered how effective it is to hit someone, especially a young someone, as a way to punish them for hitting someone. It's really pretty simple. Until people stop teaching their kids that physical punishment is acceptable this will continue to be carried forward as acceptable behavior.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Maybe that is why the south has higher obesity rates and lower literacy rates

Please show the data source supporting your clain that spankings lead to higher obesity rates and lower literacy rates

 

[placebo]

Every defense of this type of punishment I've read always reads "Peterson probably took it too far." Probably? You think there's a scenario where these type of injuries would be ok? Doesn't the fact that large portions of the county are outraged and have never even heard of switches show that maybe there's another way, and people don't have to resort to this kind of violence to discipline their children? In Peterson's case it almost sounds like he relishes the opportunity to "tear that butt up" and that may be the sickest thing about this story for me. I'm not sure it's Peterson's fault, perhaps this was instilled from his own beatings as a child, and he needs help to overcome that.

 

[otello]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

So you have no problem with what you have seen thus far? Sounds like you do not.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

You really think the NFL would measurably narrow it's fanbase with a 4 game or less suspension?

At this time, with the NFL getting a ton of negative blowback from fans for going light on abuse of women, going light on abuse of kids will hurt them. The owners can either ignore that, hunker down, and hope things die down til the next abuse case becomes public. Or they can can be tough on Peterson like they've been on Rice, which ultimately will make them more money by keeping the fanbase bigger. The owners care about making money.

Absolutely they are about making money but I think you and others are severely overestimating how public opinion will go on this case in the coming weeks. It is so different than the Rice situation that it's not even really relevant IMO.

If the NFL only held shop in the South, you might be right. But, you can't over-state how repulsed the rest of the country feels about child abuse. That is going to weigh heavily on the minds of the commissioner's office and the Vikings when considering the pictures, Mr. Peterson's lack of remorse, and making a decision as to whether he should or should not represent the league or the team in any future capacity.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

So you have no problem with what you have seen thus far? Sounds like you do not.

I do not have a problem with spanking. I, along with Peterson, believe Peterson took this particular instance of punishment too far.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

Your southern prejudice is showing.

And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do

I'm from the south and that's not commonplace in my family or circle of friends/acquaintances. You make it seem like the backwoods, hillbilly folks use "old school whuppins" as a common practice. Maybe they do, but then answer these 2 questions:1. Is Adrian Peterson a backwoods hillbilly living in a double-wide?

2. Does being a southerner make his behavior acceptable.

 

[treat88]

Every defense of this type of punishment I've read always reads "Peterson probably took it too far." Probably? You think there's a scenario where these type of injuries would be ok? Doesn't the fact that large portions of the county are outraged and have never even heard of switches show that maybe there's another way, and people don't have to resort to this kind of violence to discipline their children? In Peterson's case it almost sounds like he relishes the opportunity to "tear that butt up" and that may be the sickest thing about this story for me. I'm not sure it's Peterson's fault, perhaps this was instilled from his own beatings as a child, and he needs help to overcome that.

It's Peterson's fault whether his parents did this to him or not.

Upbringing and culture don't trump personal responsibility and the freedom to make a morally correct choice.

This is on ADP regardless of the surrounding context.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

People quite clearly intentionally ignoring this post to promote their own extremist, knee-jerk reaction agendas.

Nobody's ignoring it. This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

I don't disagree with IE at all. I appreciate that folks did read what I posted earlier and it was not meant to garner some sort of victory for the "other side" and that's because there are no sides here. A child was abused plain and simple. It doesn't matter that there are other folks who have done far worse, thank God this child wasn't beaten within an inch of his life. Peterson needs a lot of parenting classes and I'm sure many of us could use them as well.

I wish I were not concerned about my stupid FF team as this is every bit as important as the other 3-4 frontline stories this week in the NFL so that says a lot about me and my pathetic life. I can't speak for everyone but I am numb at this point and it's just week 1/week 2. I've seen so much non related football NFL stories this week that I wouldn't be shocked at this point if we had another serial murderer coming around the corner.

I feel others pain about the child abuse, exact details of mine are not important or appropriate but I totally understand why people are outraged over this, they should be.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

So you have no problem with what you have seen thus far? Sounds like you do not.

I do not have a problem with spanking. I, along with Peterson, believe Peterson took this particular instance of punishment too far.

This has nothing to do with spanking. Keeping that in mind, do you have no problem with what you have seen thus far?

 

[Ghost Rider]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This is a national story now. It doesn't matter that this kind of thing is commonplace in Swampass, TX. What matters is that it's NOT acceptable in many other parts of the country, and that's the standard Peterson will be held accountable to. (Edit: in terms of the NFL's reaction; what happens to him legally is a different story.)

Your southern prejudice is showing.

And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do

I'm from the south and that's not commonplace in my family or circle of friends/acquaintances. You make it seem like the backwoods, hillbilly folks use "old school whuppins" as a common practice. Maybe they do, but then answer these 2 questions:1. Is Adrian Peterson a backwoods hillbilly living in a double-wide?

2. Does being a southerner make his behavior acceptable.

Are you from a poor family in Palestine, TX? When I say south, I don't literally mean all of the south. Don't be so dense. There is obviously a massive difference between the upbringing of a poor kid in Palestine, TX versus a middle class kid in Plano or a burb of Austin.

 

[ShamrockPride]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

Disagree. He admits this branch was different and he failed to realize it was longer and whipping around the side and back of the kid.

Key words: "failed to realize" a.k.a. negligent...not intentionally abusive like everyone in here is trying to paint him as.

 

[maf005]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruises

Yes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

 

[Vector]

I guess I've never understood why people think it's acceptable to harm the very people least able to defend themselves. The whole "teaching them lessons" argument has been used for thousands of years against groups of people who are currently not legally allowed to be assaulted anymore

I believe it's still legal in Texas for parents to authorize teachers in public schools to dole out corporal punishment to students. You don't have to understand. My parents don't understand how American parents let their children dispect them all the time. Different philosophies toward parenting, learn to deal with it.

This is not a parenting thing. This is adults saying it's legal to assault non adults. It's no different on any moral ground than whites (the adults) saying it's ok to assault African Americans (children, the ones who are under the authority of the the adults)

Explain the difference without trying to sound like someone who just wants the ability to legally assault another human being. Is it different because they are "your kids"? (hey, they are our slaves!). If it's truly different then how? Why are kids the only unprotected group of people in the US when it comes to Simple Assault?

I don't understand because it's not logical in any way whatsoever. Children cannot protect themselves, especially very young children. Legally allowing the very people in charge of protecting them to harm them holds zero logical sense. You can't assault your grandma with Alzheimer's when she tries to run into the road, why your 5 year old?

I have 2 kids myself and the thought of spanking, hitting, shaking, switching or whatever else people do under the guise of discipline has never crossed my mind. I'm not so insecure about myself that I need my kids to fear violence for screwing something up though. I instead explain why they probably shouldn't do stuff like they are any other human being who makes mistakes and give them real life consequences when they perform badly.

Is grounding your child to their room imprisonment?

Or, in another tangent, is abortion the ultimate form of child abuse.... murder. This is basically where this debate will lead.

 

[LittlePhatty]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

You stop acting like you are the "voice" for an entire region, because some of us ARE from the South and we don't condone child abuse just because "that's how it is done here".

 

[ShamrockPride]

Every defense of this type of punishment I've read always reads "Peterson probably took it too far." Probably? You think there's a scenario where these type of injuries would be ok? Doesn't the fact that large portions of the county are outraged and have never even heard of switches show that maybe there's another way, and people don't have to resort to this kind of violence to discipline their children? In Peterson's case it almost sounds like he relishes the opportunity to "tear that butt up" and that may be the sickest thing about this story for me. I'm not sure it's Peterson's fault, perhaps this was instilled from his own beatings as a child, and he needs help to overcome that.

It's Peterson's fault whether his parents did this to him or not.Upbringing and culture don't trump personal responsibility and the freedom to make a morally correct choice.

This is on ADP regardless of the surrounding context.

This is such am awful, biased way to think. Fine sure. Feel free to ignore important factors such upbringing, culture, and regional norms to promote your opinion. Even though all these things explain why he did what he did and believed it was okay, we'll just ignore them so you can make your point.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

Disagree. He admits this branch was different and he failed to realize it was longer and whipping around the side and back of the kid.

Key words: "failed to realize" a.k.a. negligent...not intentionally abusive like everyone in here is trying to paint him as.

Yeah, that is entirely a non-credible defense. Not from his own account of what happened. Not from the pictures. Not from striking the kid not once, not twice, not three time, him bleeding and screaming, striking his scrotum, four times, five times, hitting him so hard he left bruises, six times, seven times, "whoopin needed for the memories", eight, nine, cuts on the buttocks, ten, eleven...a dozen plus times, he tortured that poor kid.

Spare us all the b.s. about how this was not intentional.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I don't believe physical discipline is ever called for except in extreme circumstances, and I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head that would justify it.

A spanking in the butt, whatever. I got them, plenty of people did. I haven't got a clue how far my son would have to push me for me to raise a hand to him.

But I find it utterly disgusting that so many people can even TRY to justify why it would EVER be acceptable under ANY circumstances to beat a four year old with a stick. if there's a culture that seriously thinks that's OK, that culture should be wiped off the face the earth. That doesn't teach discipline, that teaches fear.

And I don't want to hear about the whole "accidental" injuries thing. He should never have picked up a stick to beat a four year old with in the first place.

 

[treat88]

He would have to be both blind and deaf to fail to realize the impact he was having on that kid.

He may have carried it further than he originally intended, but that is not an accident, that is simply anger and bad judgement combining into horrible behavior.

 

[Vector]

I don't believe physical discipline is ever called for except in extreme circumstances, and I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head that would justify it.

A spanking in the butt, whatever. I got them, plenty of people did. I haven't got a clue how far my son would have to push me for me to raise a hand to him.

But I find it utterly disgusting that so many people can even TRY to justify why it would EVER be acceptable under ANY circumstances to beat a four year old with a stick. if there's a culture that seriously thinks that's OK, that culture should be wiped off the face the earth. That doesn't teach discipline, that teaches fear.

And I don't want to hear about the whole "accidental" injuries thing. He should never have picked up a stick to beat a four year old with in the first place.

Awesome! We now advocate genocide for cultures who use corporal punishment on their children. An extreme case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

[Acrobat7]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruisesYes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

Please stop; you are looking worse and worse in here.

 

[jonessed]

I don't believe physical discipline is ever called for except in extreme circumstances, and I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head that would justify it.

A spanking in the butt, whatever. I got them, plenty of people did. I haven't got a clue how far my son would have to push me for me to raise a hand to him.

But I find it utterly disgusting that so many people can even TRY to justify why it would EVER be acceptable under ANY circumstances to beat a four year old with a stick. if there's a culture that seriously thinks that's OK, that culture should be wiped off the face the earth. That doesn't teach discipline, that teaches fear.

And I don't want to hear about the whole "accidental" injuries thing. He should never have picked up a stick to beat a four year old with in the first place.

Awesome! We now advocate genocide for cultures who use corporal punishment on their children. An extreme case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

It's been suggested that we kill AP first.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I don't believe physical discipline is ever called for except in extreme circumstances, and I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head that would justify it.

A spanking in the butt, whatever. I got them, plenty of people did. I haven't got a clue how far my son would have to push me for me to raise a hand to him.

But I find it utterly disgusting that so many people can even TRY to justify why it would EVER be acceptable under ANY circumstances to beat a four year old with a stick. if there's a culture that seriously thinks that's OK, that culture should be wiped off the face the earth. That doesn't teach discipline, that teaches fear.

And I don't want to hear about the whole "accidental" injuries thing. He should never have picked up a stick to beat a four year old with in the first place.

It is truly disgusting.

It's all eerily reminiscent of how people from the South used to justify slavery and lynching. Suspend all logic and basic human decency to assert "this is how we here in the South do things. Ain't nobody, especially you Northerners, gonna tell us what's right and wrong."

Well, it's wrong. It's disgusting. And, just like the South needed a little hand-holding to come around to the fact that slavery and lynching is unacceptable, this discussion makes it abundantly clear the work now needs to revolve around eliminating child abuse practices.

 

[Witz]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruises

Yes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

I feel sorry for any children that are in your life or god forbid are your own. Pathetic.

I'd love to get an alias check on this one.

 

[maf005]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

You stop acting like you are the "voice" for an entire region, because some of us ARE from the South and we don't condone child abuse just because "that's how it is done here".

I'm not talking about an entire region, just of subset of one.

 

[maf005]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruises

Yes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

I feel sorry for any children that are in your life or god forbid are your own. Pathetic.

I'd love to get an alias check on this one.

You want to know my real life name and "out" because I'm not against spankings?

*EDIT* peace out SP

 

[treat88]

Every defense of this type of punishment I've read always reads "Peterson probably took it too far." Probably? You think there's a scenario where these type of injuries would be ok? Doesn't the fact that large portions of the county are outraged and have never even heard of switches show that maybe there's another way, and people don't have to resort to this kind of violence to discipline their children? In Peterson's case it almost sounds like he relishes the opportunity to "tear that butt up" and that may be the sickest thing about this story for me. I'm not sure it's Peterson's fault, perhaps this was instilled from his own beatings as a child, and he needs help to overcome that.

It's Peterson's fault whether his parents did this to him or not.Upbringing and culture don't trump personal responsibility and the freedom to make a morally correct choice.

This is on ADP regardless of the surrounding context.

This is such am awful, biased way to think. Fine sure. Feel free to ignore important factors such upbringing, culture, and regional norms to promote your opinion. Even though all these things explain why he did what he did and believed it was okay, we'll just ignore them so you can make your point.

No one is ignoring those factors as explanations.

I am ignoring them as excuses.

The individual made the choice, and the individual always has the freedom to make the choice.

In this case, even if that choice is to be better than his past experiences may dictate.

 

[RBM]

So many people don't know what the uck they're talking about itt.

Guys, the South is different from where you're from. Basically everyone spanks their kids from where Peterson grew up. And yes, most use belts, boards, paddles, switches, etc when the kid is being especially bad.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just because something is commonplace in certain areas of the country doesn't make it right. HTH.

To them its right. To you its not. I would never hit my kids but I understand some people do and that's their business. The thing I can't be ok with is using a weapon to do it. That's a bit psychotic.

 

[dparker713]

This will fall on deaf ears but I thought it worth posting. I have a good friend and fellow FF owner who lives in TX and the other in the NW section of LA and they both are social workers for the state and they both said the following...cases far worse than this come up every day and it feels like th prosecuter here wants to have their 15 minutes of fame and use this as a platform for their own personal gains.

I said to them "Have you seen the photos?"

Their response were "You should see the ones from all the other cases we work."

Now that doesn't forgive ADP in any way but both social workers said folks in their neck of the woods down in the South use switches, very common. They said ADP on any normal day would simply be enrolled in some parenting classes and perhaps a little community service time but outside of that, the both felt this was being way overpublicized.

Just thought I would share some feedback from folks who work in this field in the actual state or region where this happened. Now others might talk to different social workers with differeing opinions but neither one of them felt this was anything close to the Ray Rice incident.

Doesn't surprise me too much. I'm actually surprised that a second grand jury actually chose to indict where the first one had failed. My guess is AP gets a slap on the wrist, takes up some counseling and anti-child abuse causes to appease the state and the Vikings organization and is back in week 5 after a 4 game suspension from the Vikes (retroactively counting wk 2).

The case itself will likely not be resolved until the season is over so Goodell won't dare smite him with the domestic abuse policy any time soon with the NFLPA looming. Vikings will have some damage control to do with the media but the good news for them is that public sentiment does seem to be somewhat divided in this case. Had it been a Texas team that he was on it would have likely been business as usual in a week.

Anyone agree with this?

No. Unless the NFL makes a decision to try to narrow its fanbase, contrary to their ongoing desire to expand their fan base.

You really think the NFL would measurably narrow it's fanbase with a 4 game or less suspension?

At this time, with the NFL getting a ton of negative blowback from fans for going light on abuse of women, going light on abuse of kids will hurt them. The owners can either ignore that, hunker down, and hope things die down til the next abuse case becomes public. Or they can can be tough on Peterson like they've been on Rice, which ultimately will make them more money by keeping the fanbase bigger. The owners care about making money.

You are seriously underestimating the amount of the NFL fanbase for whom Peterson's actions are at worst somewhat over the line.

 

[biju]

You are seriously underestimating the amount of the NFL fanbase for whom Peterson's actions are at worst somewhat over the line.

You may also be discounting what a "vocal minority" can do and that this will likely stretch way outside the actual NFL fan demographics, just like the Rice case. I'll also add that I don't think the people against beating a 4 year old would be a minority in this country, continent, or world.

 

[Witz]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruises

Yes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

I feel sorry for any children that are in your life or god forbid are your own. Pathetic.

I'd love to get an alias check on this one.

You want to know my real life name and "out" because I'm not against spankings?

*EDIT* peace out SP

Seriously - who is saying anything about spankings for or against? It's your continued stance that you are all for causing significant harm to a child to the point bruises are ok is the issue folks are having with you.

No one is talking about RL names - talking about the other name you post on this site with.

 

[Henry Ford]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

Disagree. He admits this branch was different and he failed to realize it was longer and whipping around the side and back of the kid.

Key words: "failed to realize" a.k.a. negligent...not intentionally abusive like everyone in here is trying to paint him as.

But still guilty under a child abuse statute in Texas. And that's what he admits to.

 

[Henry Ford]

This sums it up:

But yes, bruises are totally fine. Peterson probably took this particular whooping too far but I don't think he's disputing that

Also, to comment on all these "gotcha!" posts about bruisesYes, I believe it is ok for a child to be spanked to the point of bruising. I would hope it's not a common practice but also it doesn't take much to make a <16 year old child bruise

I feel sorry for any children that are in your life or god forbid are your own. Pathetic.

I'd love to get an alias check on this one.

You want to know my real life name and "out" because I'm not against spankings?*EDIT* peace out SP

Seriously - who is saying anything about spankings for or against? It's your continued stance that you are all for causing significant harm to a child to the point bruises are ok is the issue folks are having with you.

No one is talking about RL names - talking about the other name you post on this site with.

Although I keep seeing his name and reading "maf54". Which is creepier.

 

[dparker713]

For the "this is an over reaction" crowd. Not sure if it's been brought up here, but the CBS article is pretty damning. The guy has a "whooping room", this wasn't an isolated case. The 4 year was afraid of saying anything so Daddy Peterson wouldn't punch him in the face. There's the text message from Peterson telling the mom he "got him in the nuts", and "tearing that butt up when needed". The guy is toast.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

This is an over reaction. There is nothing damning in that article that indicates child abuse.

Accidentally whipping a child's genitals and leaving a mark - in addition to the rest of the lacerations, etc - is going to get him under the reckless standard.

I made this point in the Shark Pool thread, but he was only reckless if he didn't have concern that this would happen. If he's used a switch many times without this result that he can rightly claim that he wasn't being reckless and instead it was an accident.

Disagree. He admits this branch was different and he failed to realize it was longer and whipping around the side and back of the kid.

Key words: "failed to realize" a.k.a. negligent...not intentionally abusive like everyone in here is trying to paint him as.

But still guilty under a child abuse statute in Texas. And that's what he admits to.

Texas has a child abuse statute. Its not reckless or negligent injury to a child.

 

[Jerry Curl]

If his name were not Adrian Peterson, would anyone care? That is the sadness in all this. Domestic and child abuse is now taking a national stand because it effects our fantasy teams, not because it was an important issue before. Let that sink in a moment. Some, not all, now care because it effects them. Upsetting.

He left physical scars on his kid, how can that be defended? By anyone. This wasnt spankings or discipline, it was abuse of parental power on a 4 year old defenseless child. The child should be protected and shown right from wrong by their parents, not physically hurt. I spank my daughter on the bottom with my hand but its more of a pat not a full on spank. It is not intended to inflict pain but show that I am disappointed in what she did if her action warranted it. I am not the worlds best parent and will never claim to be, that being said, I can reasonably say any kid that suffers punishment that leaves scares emotionally or physically is suffering abuse.

 

[Johnny Blood]

You are seriously underestimating the amount of the NFL fanbase for whom Peterson's actions are at worst somewhat over the line.

Without getting into negative regional stereotypes, I can assure you that in the state where the Vikings do business, that attitude is NOT prevalent. So factor that into your evaluation of the PR decision facing the Vikings.

 

[kd1]

The funniest idiots on here are the ones that say spankings and corporal punishment is perfectly fine, as long as no bruises or visible marks result from it. In other words, pain caused doesn't really matter, only outward appearance does.

Any time you spank, switch, or cane a child, there's going to be a huge risk of bruising or temporary skin damage. That is dumb to use as an indicator or whether it crosses the line or not. It's simply luck of the draw/particular person's tendency to bruise etc., that may determine the outward damage. One kid spanked twice as hard could show no signs of bruising compared to somebody who shows a ton of bruising and spanked with half the force.

It's just idiotic to think corporal punishment is ok unless skin damage can be seen. The problem is corporal punishment being legal. Period.

 

[Smack Tripper]

You are seriously underestimating the amount of the NFL fanbase for whom Peterson's actions are at worst somewhat over the line.

Without getting into negative regional stereotypes, I can assure you that in the state where the Vikings do business, that attitude is NOT prevalent. So factor that into your evaluation of the PR decision facing the Vikings.

The same state where Kirby Puckett is still revered?