Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

[RichInOrlando]

I agree they have HEAVY pull, and yes it may not be a bid process. However, its a two way street. Miller/Coors may say we have $X. We aren't going to spend more than $X.


Suffice it to say I believe the BIG NFL sponsors have quite a bit of influence over what the NFL league office does and says.

i can agree with that. Just wanted to make sure we knew both parties have equal power in this case.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

what are the chances the governor has peterson publicly whipped?

And then auctioned off?

maybe if the money goes to some kind of charity

 

[chinawildman]

@JeffDarlington Adrian Peterson’s foundation — the All Day Foundation — is on hiatus, according to the website. Here’s the statement:
pic.twitter.com/HjKSvTEhy8


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Should we just start taking bets on who pulls next? It's the growing trend.

Just wait til the tree huggers get in on this about all the deforestation that's resulted from AP's unsustainable sourcing of switches.

 

[tone1oc]

@JeffDarlington Adrian Peterson’s foundation — the All Day Foundation — is on hiatus, according to the website. Here’s the statement:
pic.twitter.com/HjKSvTEhy8


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Should we just start taking bets on who pulls next? It's the growing trend.

Just wait til the tree huggers get in on this about all the deforestation that's resulted from AP's unsustainable sourcing of switches.

It all makes sense now.. How many hours of Fox News do you watch per day?

 

[chinawildman]

@JeffDarlington Adrian Peterson’s foundation — the All Day Foundation — is on hiatus, according to the website. Here’s the statement:
pic.twitter.com/HjKSvTEhy8


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Should we just start taking bets on who pulls next? It's the growing trend.

Just wait til the tree huggers get in on this about all the deforestation that's resulted from AP's unsustainable sourcing of switches.

It all makes sense now.. How many hours of Fox News do you watch per day?

he hate me.

 

[Shrugs]

It seems that public opinion is going to decide Peterson's fate, and the momentum is against him. But I think he could change the discourse and outcome if he had a good PR team. He holds a press conference and talks emotionally about his ubringing, being physically disciplined and how he thought it had a direct correlation with him staying out of trouble, having the focus and toughness to become an NFL star. This was the normal form of child discipline in the community in which he was brought up. When he had kids, he wanted to provide them the same discipline. Following this incident, he received counseling and was educated as to the negative effects of physical discipline and the benefits of alternate methods. This was an eye-opener for him, and the combination of this counseling and seeing the unintentional results this discipline had on his son has changed his outlook. Going forward, he will no longer use physical discipline on his kids. He knows he hasn't been a good role model, but he wants to be one now. Physical child discipline remains commonplace in the community from which he came, and he wants to be the public face to educate them that there is a better way. Alongside Peterson should be a sociologist to talk about the history of physical child discipline among black southerners and a foundation Peterson has agreed to join to get his new message across. If this happened, I think all is forgiven. It's also the best path forward for the team and the NFL, and it's a failure of their PR teams that they haven't urged Peterson to take this path.

 

[Henry Ford]

Just as I suspected. No idea what constitutes good evidence and research. Are you aware that there are 7 levels of evidence? And that this "study" is of the lowest level? And that anyone can write a book (even John Rocker)?

I would be interested to see these 100 other "studies" over "40 years". Which brings us to another problem with this book: Old evidence is no evidence in research.

I'm not defending AP. But as a part time researcher myself, I don't believe everything I read. It has to be well done, high-level evidence to have true meaning and application.

So again, there is no good evidence out there on this topic, because it would be unethical to perform such studies.

Not to push this point too much, but isn't this "study" a review of more than 100 studies over the course of four decades?

 

[tone1oc]

The hard data on who likes to hit their kids

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/americans-opinions-on-spanking-vary-by-party-race-region-and-religion/

Not surprising to see the most educated hit their kids the least.

 

[General Tso]

Just as I suspected. No idea what constitutes good evidence and research. Are you aware that there are 7 levels of evidence? And that this "study" is of the lowest level? And that anyone can write a book (even John Rocker)?

I would be interested to see these 100 other "studies" over "40 years". Which brings us to another problem with this book: Old evidence is no evidence in research.

I'm not defending AP. But as a part time researcher myself, I don't believe everything I read. It has to be well done, high-level evidence to have true meaning and application.

So again, there is no good evidence out there on this topic, because it would be unethical to perform such studies.

Not to push this point too much, but isn't this "study" a review of more than 100 studies over the course of four decades?

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

 

[Shrugs]

Behind the scenes, I think AP's team should also be threatening the NFL to turn this into a racial issue and trying to get Jesse Jackson to back them up.

 

[Henry Ford]

Just as I suspected. No idea what constitutes good evidence and research. Are you aware that there are 7 levels of evidence? And that this "study" is of the lowest level? And that anyone can write a book (even John Rocker)?

I would be interested to see these 100 other "studies" over "40 years". Which brings us to another problem with this book: Old evidence is no evidence in research.

I'm not defending AP. But as a part time researcher myself, I don't believe everything I read. It has to be well done, high-level evidence to have true meaning and application.

So again, there is no good evidence out there on this topic, because it would be unethical to perform such studies.

Not to push this point too much, but isn't this "study" a review of more than 100 studies over the course of four decades?

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

No, I mean that he's identifying this as the "lowest" level of evidence, which indicates that it's just the opinion of an expert. It's not - it's a review of more than 100 qualitative and descriptive studies, which makes it a higher level of evidence.

 

[franchise punter]

It wouldn't surprise me if AP announced a voluntary leave of absence in the next couple days

 

[chinawildman]

It wouldn't surprise me if AP announced a voluntary leave of absence in the next couple days

Would not surprise me as well. The way this is going I really don't see him playing this weekend, reinstated or otherwise.

 

[SpruceGoose]

Behind the scenes, I think AP's team should also be threatening the NFL to turn this into a racial issue and trying to get Jesse Jackson to back them up.

They wouldnt want to do that....would just cause more division because not all blacks agree w/ beating your child till they bleed.

Which is why im not sure why "spanking" keeps getting brought up...this is something different.

 

[Van Dyman]

How likely is it that AP will miss additional games in 2014 because of this?

 

[tone1oc]

How likely is it that AP will miss additional games in 2014 because of this?

Somewhere between definitely and maybe not.

 

[SameSongNDance]

How likely is it that AP will miss additional games in 2014 because of this?

Close to 100%? Something is going to happen within the next couple days.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

IMO, if his happens after the activation and public statement? Instant lawsuit.

Profootballtalk reports the Vikings could "reverse course" on Monday's decision to reinstate Adrian Peterson.

Instead of dying down, the firestorm has only intensified since the Vikings welcomed back their franchise back, with the NFL looking into the case and the governor of Minnesota calling for AD to be suspended. Although the Vikes are unlikely to release Peterson outright like the Ravens did with Ray Rice, they'll probably do the same math. That would be concluding that the controversy isn't worth it, and suspending AD until his legal situation is resolved. He's less than 50-50 to be active for Week 3.

Source: Profootballtalk on Twitter

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Behind the scenes, I think AP's team should also be threatening the NFL to turn this into a racial issue and trying to get Jesse Jackson to back them up.

They wouldnt want to do that....would just cause more division because not all blacks agree w/ beating your child till they bleed.

Which is why im not sure why "spanking" keeps getting brought up...this is something different.

As long as spanking is legal we're going to have this blurred line between punishment and abuse.

Why keep spanking legal if you KNOW it's going to lead to kids being abused?

 

[btemp]

The hard data on who likes to hit their kids

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/americans-opinions-on-spanking-vary-by-party-race-region-and-religion/

Not surprising to see the most educated hit their kids the least.

I hate to dignify a poor post, but this article DOES NOT reference education.

Second, correlation is not causation. That should be incredibly obvious here.

 

[chinawildman]

Just as I suspected. No idea what constitutes good evidence and research. Are you aware that there are 7 levels of evidence? And that this "study" is of the lowest level? And that anyone can write a book (even John Rocker)?

I would be interested to see these 100 other "studies" over "40 years". Which brings us to another problem with this book: Old evidence is no evidence in research.

I'm not defending AP. But as a part time researcher myself, I don't believe everything I read. It has to be well done, high-level evidence to have true meaning and application.

So again, there is no good evidence out there on this topic, because it would be unethical to perform such studies.

Not to push this point too much, but isn't this "study" a review of more than 100 studies over the course of four decades?

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

Have you considered the social pretense under which those studies are conducted? As I pointed out in an earlier post, in England and the United States, corporal punishment is the status quo. Research is often done in the name of promoting change to that status quo or challenging existing beliefs.

A better place to look would probably be studies done by Scandanavian researchers to challenge their current policies of no corporal punishment. Though there are other factors to consider here as well, seeing as how their ideas about education differs drastically from that of the US as well as their socioeconomic demographic.

The short of it is that it's a difficult conclusion to draw from "studies"... and for people that were raised using corporal punishment, many don't seem to object to it (I believe this was a consisitent theme from most studies) In that context, someone's personal experience will likely trump anything they read from a book or research paper.

 

[tone1oc]

The hard data on who likes to hit their kids

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/americans-opinions-on-spanking-vary-by-party-race-region-and-religion/

Not surprising to see the most educated hit their kids the least.

I hate to dignify a poor post, but this article DOES NOT reference education.

Second, correlation is not causation. That should be incredibly obvious here.

Yes I inferred education levels from those socioeconomic groups, which I could largely substantiate.

I've seen empirical data that shows people who don't believe in god have higher IQs.

I've seen empirical data that shows lower literacy rates in the south.

I've seen empirical data that shows black communities have less access to education and that it is of lower quality.

Second, me not being surprised that these segments of society like to hit their kids could mean I'm inferring either a correlational or causational link.

 

[Johnny Blood]

IMO, if his happens after the activation and public statement? Instant lawsuit.

Profootballtalk reports the Vikings could "reverse course" on Monday's decision to reinstate Adrian Peterson.

Instead of dying down, the firestorm has only intensified since the Vikings welcomed back their franchise back, with the NFL looking into the case and the governor of Minnesota calling for AD to be suspended. Although the Vikes are unlikely to release Peterson outright like the Ravens did with Ray Rice, they'll probably do the same math. That would be concluding that the controversy isn't worth it, and suspending AD until his legal situation is resolved. He's less than 50-50 to be active for Week 3.

Source: Profootballtalk on Twitter

Lawsuit over what? This is America. If they cut him and pay him his guaranteed money what is he going to sue about? They can cut him because they think his Twitter is annoying, they don't feel like paying him, or because he's a child abuser, or for no reason whatsoever. NFL players get cut all the time for no reason other than the team doesn't want to pay them the weekly checks specified in their contracts. Nothing could be more ho-hum.

He's employed in America not France.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

This is creepy:

If you were spanked (if you answered yes to question two), were/are you typically bared before a spanking?

31% (824) - Yes, I had/have to remove all of my clothing before a spanking.

42% (1102) - Yes, the spanker removes/removed all of my clothing before the spanking.

12% (310) - No, my underwear or my boxers are/were left on for a spanking.

2% (67) - No, I had/have a specific article of clothing (like a specific pair of shorts) then I must/do wear when being spanked.

10% (278) - No, I was/am spanked on the clothing I happen/happened to be wearing. (Please specifiy what this clothing typically is/was in the space provided.)

Even moreso when you look at the ages of the kids getting spanked:

28% (747) - I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is spanked frequently for punishment.

9% (256) - I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is spanked sometimes for punishment.

2% (57) - I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is spanked rarely for punishment.

2% (64)I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is no longer spanked but was spanked moderately as a child.

1% (33)I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is no longer spanked but was spanked rarely as a child.

2% (55)I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is no longer spanked but was spanked moderately as a preteen/child.

0% (20)I am a teenager (aged 13 to 19) who is no longer spanked but was spanked rarely as a preteen/child.

21% (561)I am an adult or senior (aged 20 and up) who was spanked frequently for punishment.

11% (313)I am an adult or senior (aged 20 and up) who was spanked sometimes for punishment.

4% (123)I am an adult or senior (aged 20 and up) who was spanked rarely for punishment

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

The next series of questions are for those who have received a spanking before. If you do not fit this category, skip the next set of questions. What are/were you typically spanked with?

32% (846) Open hand.

18% (486) Paddle.

12% (319) The spanker's belt.

5% (156) A belt bought just for the purpose.

2% (68) My belt.

3% (92) Switch.

0% (17) Extension cord.

5% (147) Strap.

0% (10) Clothes hanger.

4% (115) Spoon.

13% (350) Other, please specify.

 

[Shrugs]

Behind the scenes, I think AP's team should also be threatening the NFL to turn this into a racial issue and trying to get Jesse Jackson to back them up.

They wouldnt want to do that....would just cause more division because not all blacks agree w/ beating your child till they bleed.

Which is why im not sure why "spanking" keeps getting brought up...this is something different.

But it's still a cultural issue in which many people are ready to lynch a black man without due process because they do not understand the culture in which he was brought up that led to these issues. Jesse Jackson could see it this way, especially with some money thrown his way. As I wrote earlier, AP needs to have a press conference where he announces that, in the aftermath of this incident, he was educated on the negative effects of corporal punishment that have changed his approach and that he hopes to serve as a role model to alter the beliefs of the community from which he came. In the meantime, behind the scenes, I think he can pressure the NFL with the explosion of a race issue if this goes the way it seems headed.

 

[chinawildman]

How likely is it that AP will miss additional games in 2014 because of this?

Close to 100%? Something is going to happen within the next couple days.

At this point I think the best course of action for the Vikings (as well as Peterson) would be to "convince" him that he needs to take a voluntary leave of absence. That is of course "at this point"... we're all about backlash these days, so for all we know tomorrow the NAACP, religious right, and Chick-fil-A will rush to AP's defense.

Polarization here we come.

 

[biju]

The hard data on who likes to hit their kids

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/americans-opinions-on-spanking-vary-by-party-race-region-and-religion/

Not surprising to see the most educated hit their kids the least.

I show as being within the lowest demographic in every one of those. I also find it interesting I fundamentally disagree with the most vocal pro-Peterson posters on more than just this issue. I would love to hear where they are on these demographics as I suspect they'll be closer to the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Van Dyman]

Lawsuit over what?

Ugh. I suppose if his contract has performance-based incentives then he could argue they denied the opportunity to achieve those. I don't know his contract, specifically, but some are like that.

 

[Van Dyman]

How likely is it that AP will miss additional games in 2014 because of this?

Close to 100%? Something is going to happen within the next couple days.

At this point I think the best course of action for the Vikings (as well as Peterson) would be to "convince" him that he needs to take a voluntary leave of absence. That is of course "at this point"... we're all about backlash these days, so for all we know tomorrow the NAACP, religious right, and Chick-fil-A will rush to AP's defense.

Polarization here we come.

LOL Chick-Fil-A. They do take positions that cost them customers.

 

[fourd]

Just as I suspected. No idea what constitutes good evidence and research. Are you aware that there are 7 levels of evidence? And that this "study" is of the lowest level? And that anyone can write a book (even John Rocker)?

I would be interested to see these 100 other "studies" over "40 years". Which brings us to another problem with this book: Old evidence is no evidence in research.

I'm not defending AP. But as a part time researcher myself, I don't believe everything I read. It has to be well done, high-level evidence to have true meaning and application.

So again, there is no good evidence out there on this topic, because it would be unethical to perform such studies.

Not to push this point too much, but isn't this "study" a review of more than 100 studies over the course of four decades?

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

Have you considered the social pretense under which those studies are conducted? As I pointed out in an earlier post, in England and the United States, corporal punishment is the status quo. Research is often done in the name of promoting change to that status quo or challenging existing beliefs.

A better place to look would probably be studies done by Scandanavian researchers to challenge their current policies of no corporal punishment. Though there are other factors to consider here as well, seeing as how their ideas about education differs drastically from that of the US as well as their socioeconomic demographic.

The short of it is that it's a difficult conclusion to draw from "studies"... and for people that were raised using corporal punishment, many don't seem to object to it (I believe this was a consisitent theme from most studies) In that context, someone's personal experience will likely trump anything they read from a book or research paper.

So what we can say is if you were raised with corporal punishment you probably tend to use it, teaching your kids to use it, and so on. And since there are no "standards" as to how much is too much, we will continue to see kids abused in ways that they shouldn't be. But that's ok, because everybody's doing it.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I'm a parent of 4. Seen and heard things my kids have done that made my internal outrage meter go off. As the most pissed off and physically strongest person in the room, sometimes it's hard to channel that anger and focus your energy into a constructive, patient, lesson learning punishment. That brute animal instinct at the moment the #### hits the fan can make you twitch in anger thinking you need to unload your frustrations. Then you look down at your small child who you love...who cannot in any way defend him or herself from you and you remind yourself that the point of discipline is to right your child. It's not to inflict pain or release personal frustrations. That is not your right as a parent. The line you draw between abuse and discipline is a fine line, but you need to know that there are laws that delineate what you can and cannot do. Throw out cultural bias, that's a worthless crutch that enables domestic violence. The same kind of cultural bias was once used to justify segregation and women's suffrage.

A four year old child cannot even understand half the time what it is they are being punished for. They are very inquisitive at that age, and naturally get themselves in situations that get them into trouble. It's in their nature to push the boundaries. And it's completely normal. What's abnormal is to be a grown (yet immature) man of Adrian Peterson's might that believes he can somehow knock some sense into them. Hiding behind cultural upbringing is buying into the same cycle of violence and the chain never breaks. PSA to future parents, If you don't have patience, then don't get into the parenting business. It's not for everybody.

In discussions about this kind if thing with people at work I've brought up an alternative idea. Try waiting 15-30 minutes and then do it. It takes all emotion out of it. If it's about discipline, then waiting a few should not matter. I think in many (I'd say most but I don't have data on it, just a feeling) instances, the act of physical punishment of a child is just as much about getting rid of your own anger as it is correcting something that a child does wrong. If you believe physical punishment is a viable parenting choice to correct behaviors (ie a child learns a specific long term lesson from a spanking/whipping) then just waiting until you're calm shouldn't matter right?

But wouldn't the longer you wait to discipline a child make it less likely that they associate the physical punishment with the unwanted behavior?

If they're unable to connect the physical punishment to the behavior by reason, then whipping them is no better than whipping a dog. This isn't a good argument.

You're trying to train two things with the inability to reason and communicate effectively. Why isn't this a good argument?

Jesus Christ, there are some disturbed and disgusting people out there.

 

[Koya]

Just wish a decision would be made on AP, so we can all get back to enjoying FF as the mind-numbing distraction to our regular lives.

This is the current reality. Be it fantasy football, your team or a casual / hardened fan of the game, until the NFL moves through this issue, we wont have that total release from reality.

 

[chinawildman]

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

Have you considered the social pretense under which those studies are conducted? As I pointed out in an earlier post, in England and the United States, corporal punishment is the status quo. Research is often done in the name of promoting change to that status quo or challenging existing beliefs.

A better place to look would probably be studies done by Scandanavian researchers to challenge their current policies of no corporal punishment. Though there are other factors to consider here as well, seeing as how their ideas about education differs drastically from that of the US as well as their socioeconomic demographic.

The short of it is that it's a difficult conclusion to draw from "studies"... and for people that were raised using corporal punishment, many don't seem to object to it (I believe this was a consisitent theme from most studies) In that context, someone's personal experience will likely trump anything they read from a book or research paper.

So what we can say is if you were raised with corporal punishment you probably tend to use it, teaching your kids to use it, and so on. And since there are no "standards" as to how much is too much, we will continue to see kids abused in ways that they shouldn't be. But that's ok, because everybody's doing it.

There obviously is a legal standard, that's why Peterson got indicted.

As the old adage goes if it ain't broke... Peterson likely thought his "whoopins" contributed to him becoming the football player that he is. I don't think it's that far-fetched. Even the research that argue against corporal punishment allow that those who received corporal punishment look upon the practice favorably.

 

[Brewtown]

Why does one unfortunate incident have the ability to RUIN an individuals ability to make a living? I hope the Vikings stand tall against the PR outcry!

This is BS!

Anhauser-Busch has the the balls to throw stones at the NFL when the product that they manufacture and distribute ruins more lives and helps cause domestic violence incidents on a daily basis. I like Budweiser products and partake in consuming them - but Budweiser has NO BUSINESS chiming in on this topic.

I hope the NFL cuts ties with A-B as a result of this statement that they released.

 

[tone1oc]

Why does one unfortunate incident have the ability to RUIN an individuals ability to make a living? I hope the Vikings stand tall against the PR outcry!

This is BS!

Anhauser-Busch has the the balls to throw stones at the NFL when the product that they manufacture and distribute ruins more lives and helps cause domestic violence incidents on a daily basis. I like Budweiser products and partake in consuming them - but Budweiser has NO BUSINESS chiming in on this topic.

I hope the NFL cuts ties with A-B as a result of this statement that they released.

So you are outraged about the outrage?

 

[Neofight]

Why does one unfortunate incident have the ability to RUIN an individuals ability to make a living? I hope the Vikings stand tall against the PR outcry!

This is BS!

Anhauser-Busch has the the balls to throw stones at the NFL when the product that they manufacture and distribute ruins more lives and helps cause domestic violence incidents on a daily basis. I like Budweiser products and partake in consuming them - but Budweiser has NO BUSINESS chiming in on this topic.

I hope the NFL cuts ties with A-B as a result of this statement that they released.

With an alias like that you drink Bud?

 

[fatness]

Minnesota governor wants Peterson suspended.

Minnesota senator wants Peterson deactivated

Radisson pulls sponsorship of Vikings

Nike pulls Peterson merchandise from Twin Cities stores

Vikings and St. Joseph’s Home for Children "mutually agree" to cancel Vikings charity appearance there

Peterson’s “All Day Foundation” is on hold

Pharmaceutical firm cuts ties with Peterson

Peterson's image removed from Wheaties website

This guy's like Ebola now.

 

[Henry Ford]

Minnesota governor wants Peterson suspended.

Minnesota senator wants Peterson deactivated

Radisson pulls sponsorship of Vikings

Nike pulls Peterson merchandise from Twin Cities stores

Vikings and St. Josephs Home for Children "mutually agree" to cancel Vikings charity appearance there

Petersons All Day Foundation is on hold

Pharmaceutical firm cuts ties with Peterson

Peterson's image removed from Wheaties website

This guy's like Ebola now.

I think Ebola is polling better.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Why does one unfortunate incident have the ability to RUIN an individuals ability to make a living?

Yes, it's unfortunate that Peterson beat a four year old.

I like Budweiser products and partake in consuming them

Now that's unfortunate.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

IMO, if his happens after the activation and public statement? Instant lawsuit.

Profootballtalk reports the Vikings could "reverse course" on Monday's decision to reinstate Adrian Peterson.

Instead of dying down, the firestorm has only intensified since the Vikings welcomed back their franchise back, with the NFL looking into the case and the governor of Minnesota calling for AD to be suspended. Although the Vikes are unlikely to release Peterson outright like the Ravens did with Ray Rice, they'll probably do the same math. That would be concluding that the controversy isn't worth it, and suspending AD until his legal situation is resolved. He's less than 50-50 to be active for Week 3.

Source: Profootballtalk on Twitter

Lawsuit over what? This is America. If they cut him and pay him his guaranteed money what is he going to sue about? They can cut him because they think his Twitter is annoying, they don't feel like paying him, or because he's a child abuser, or for no reason whatsoever. NFL players get cut all the time for no reason other than the team doesn't want to pay them the weekly checks specified in their contracts. Nothing could be more ho-hum.He's employed in America not France.

Who said anything about cutting? Reading is fundamental.

The point is, he can sue because they are affecting his future earnings by sitting him out in his prime, when he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

 

[Koya]

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

Have you considered the social pretense under which those studies are conducted? As I pointed out in an earlier post, in England and the United States, corporal punishment is the status quo. Research is often done in the name of promoting change to that status quo or challenging existing beliefs.

A better place to look would probably be studies done by Scandanavian researchers to challenge their current policies of no corporal punishment. Though there are other factors to consider here as well, seeing as how their ideas about education differs drastically from that of the US as well as their socioeconomic demographic.

The short of it is that it's a difficult conclusion to draw from "studies"... and for people that were raised using corporal punishment, many don't seem to object to it (I believe this was a consisitent theme from most studies) In that context, someone's personal experience will likely trump anything they read from a book or research paper.

So what we can say is if you were raised with corporal punishment you probably tend to use it, teaching your kids to use it, and so on. And since there are no "standards" as to how much is too much, we will continue to see kids abused in ways that they shouldn't be. But that's ok, because everybody's doing it.

There obviously is a legal standard, that's why Peterson got indicted.

As the old adage goes if it ain't broke... Peterson likely thought his "whoopins" contributed to him becoming the football player that he is. I don't think it's that far-fetched. Even the research that argue against corporal punishment allow that those who received corporal punishment look upon the practice favorably.

AP was whooped as a kid.

AP became an NFL star.

Ergo: Whoopings beget NFL stars.

 

[meatwad1]

IMO, if his happens after the activation and public statement? Instant lawsuit.

Profootballtalk reports the Vikings could "reverse course" on Monday's decision to reinstate Adrian Peterson.

Instead of dying down, the firestorm has only intensified since the Vikings welcomed back their franchise back, with the NFL looking into the case and the governor of Minnesota calling for AD to be suspended. Although the Vikes are unlikely to release Peterson outright like the Ravens did with Ray Rice, they'll probably do the same math. That would be concluding that the controversy isn't worth it, and suspending AD until his legal situation is resolved. He's less than 50-50 to be active for Week 3.

Source: Profootballtalk on Twitter

Lawsuit over what? This is America. If they cut him and pay him his guaranteed money what is he going to sue about? They can cut him because they think his Twitter is annoying, they don't feel like paying him, or because he's a child abuser, or for no reason whatsoever. NFL players get cut all the time for no reason other than the team doesn't want to pay them the weekly checks specified in their contracts. Nothing could be more ho-hum.He's employed in America not France.

Who said anything about cutting? Reading is fundamental.

The point is, he can sue because they are affecting his future earnings by sitting him out in his prime, when he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

If he is deactivated he still is getting paid. Future earnings? He screwed himself on that one by having so many kids and then being too stupid to know how to properly take care of them. Your argument is poor and there is no way he can sue.

Also, think about this...how much do you think the Radison deal is worth? How many future sponsorships have the Vikings lost just through Peterson's actions? What about the NFL? You don't think they are losing money over this? If anyone has to worried about being sued, it should be AP, not the Vikings.

 

[dparker713]

IMO, if his happens after the activation and public statement? Instant lawsuit.

Profootballtalk reports the Vikings could "reverse course" on Monday's decision to reinstate Adrian Peterson.

Instead of dying down, the firestorm has only intensified since the Vikings welcomed back their franchise back, with the NFL looking into the case and the governor of Minnesota calling for AD to be suspended. Although the Vikes are unlikely to release Peterson outright like the Ravens did with Ray Rice, they'll probably do the same math. That would be concluding that the controversy isn't worth it, and suspending AD until his legal situation is resolved. He's less than 50-50 to be active for Week 3.

Source: Profootballtalk on Twitter

Lawsuit over what? This is America. If they cut him and pay him his guaranteed money what is he going to sue about? They can cut him because they think his Twitter is annoying, they don't feel like paying him, or because he's a child abuser, or for no reason whatsoever. NFL players get cut all the time for no reason other than the team doesn't want to pay them the weekly checks specified in their contracts. Nothing could be more ho-hum.He's employed in America not France.

Who said anything about cutting? Reading is fundamental.

The point is, he can sue because they are affecting his future earnings by sitting him out in his prime, when he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

If he is deactivated he still is getting paid. Future earnings? He screwed himself on that one by having so many kids and then being too stupid to know how to properly take care of them. Your argument is poor and there is no way he can sue.

Also, think about this...how much do you think the Radison deal is worth? How many future sponsorships have the Vikings lost just through Peterson's actions? What about the NFL? You don't think they are losing money over this? If anyone has to worried about being sued, it should be AP, not the Vikings.

No, nothing worth mentioning.

 

[dparker713]

I'm a parent of 4. Seen and heard things my kids have done that made my internal outrage meter go off. As the most pissed off and physically strongest person in the room, sometimes it's hard to channel that anger and focus your energy into a constructive, patient, lesson learning punishment. That brute animal instinct at the moment the #### hits the fan can make you twitch in anger thinking you need to unload your frustrations. Then you look down at your small child who you love...who cannot in any way defend him or herself from you and you remind yourself that the point of discipline is to right your child. It's not to inflict pain or release personal frustrations. That is not your right as a parent. The line you draw between abuse and discipline is a fine line, but you need to know that there are laws that delineate what you can and cannot do. Throw out cultural bias, that's a worthless crutch that enables domestic violence. The same kind of cultural bias was once used to justify segregation and women's suffrage.

A four year old child cannot even understand half the time what it is they are being punished for. They are very inquisitive at that age, and naturally get themselves in situations that get them into trouble. It's in their nature to push the boundaries. And it's completely normal. What's abnormal is to be a grown (yet immature) man of Adrian Peterson's might that believes he can somehow knock some sense into them. Hiding behind cultural upbringing is buying into the same cycle of violence and the chain never breaks. PSA to future parents, If you don't have patience, then don't get into the parenting business. It's not for everybody.

In discussions about this kind if thing with people at work I've brought up an alternative idea. Try waiting 15-30 minutes and then do it. It takes all emotion out of it. If it's about discipline, then waiting a few should not matter. I think in many (I'd say most but I don't have data on it, just a feeling) instances, the act of physical punishment of a child is just as much about getting rid of your own anger as it is correcting something that a child does wrong. If you believe physical punishment is a viable parenting choice to correct behaviors (ie a child learns a specific long term lesson from a spanking/whipping) then just waiting until you're calm shouldn't matter right?

But wouldn't the longer you wait to discipline a child make it less likely that they associate the physical punishment with the unwanted behavior?

If they're unable to connect the physical punishment to the behavior by reason, then whipping them is no better than whipping a dog. This isn't a good argument.

You're trying to train two things with the inability to reason and communicate effectively. Why isn't this a good argument?

Jesus Christ, there are some disturbed and disgusting people out there.

Thanks for the compliments.

 

[chinawildman]

AP was whooped as a kid.

AP became an NFL star.

Ergo: Whoopings beget NFL stars.

As ridiculous as that sounds to you, it's possible that made perfect sense to Peterson. But then again that's probably why he's seeking psychological counseling...

 

[tone1oc]

AP was whooped as a kid.

AP became an NFL star.

Ergo: Whoopings beget NFL stars.

As ridiculous as that sounds to you, it's possible that made perfect sense to Peterson. But then again that's probably why he's seeking psychological counseling...

Something you should probably do...

 

[fourd]

I've posted links to a few other studies in here. Feel free todo research on your own. Seriously - I'm interested in learning more about this. Thus far the overwhelming percentage of studies point toward long term problems with spanking.

Have you considered the social pretense under which those studies are conducted? As I pointed out in an earlier post, in England and the United States, corporal punishment is the status quo. Research is often done in the name of promoting change to that status quo or challenging existing beliefs.

A better place to look would probably be studies done by Scandanavian researchers to challenge their current policies of no corporal punishment. Though there are other factors to consider here as well, seeing as how their ideas about education differs drastically from that of the US as well as their socioeconomic demographic.

The short of it is that it's a difficult conclusion to draw from "studies"... and for people that were raised using corporal punishment, many don't seem to object to it (I believe this was a consisitent theme from most studies) In that context, someone's personal experience will likely trump anything they read from a book or research paper.

So what we can say is if you were raised with corporal punishment you probably tend to use it, teaching your kids to use it, and so on. And since there are no "standards" as to how much is too much, we will continue to see kids abused in ways that they shouldn't be. But that's ok, because everybody's doing it.

There obviously is a legal standard, that's why Peterson got indicted.

As the old adage goes if it ain't broke... Peterson likely thought his "whoopins" contributed to him becoming the football player that he is. I don't think it's that far-fetched. Even the research that argue against corporal punishment allow that those who received corporal punishment look upon the practice favorably.

You really don't get it, do you? That's the problem. Whoopins certainly did make him into the man he is -someone who administers whoopins. Football player? Not so much.

 

[fatness]

AP was whooped as a kid.

AP became an NFL star.

Ergo: Whoopings beget NFL stars.

As ridiculous as that sounds to you, it's possible that made perfect sense to Peterson. But then again that's probably why he's seeking psychological counseling...

Or he's "seeking counseling" as a PR move.

 

[chinawildman]

There obviously is a legal standard, that's why Peterson got indicted.

As the old adage goes if it ain't broke... Peterson likely thought his "whoopins" contributed to him becoming the football player that he is. I don't think it's that far-fetched. Even the research that argue against corporal punishment allow that those who received corporal punishment look upon the practice favorably.

You really don't get it, do you? That's the problem. Whoopins certainly did make him into the man he is -someone who administers whoopins. Football player? Not so much.

I wrote that to explain why people likely eschew studies and findings in favor of anedoctal personal experience, not to argue for or against corporal punishment. It will take some very damning evidence to change corporal punishment laws swiftly, like if school shootings were somehow inextricably linked to corporal punishment.

Regarding the second portion of your statement... this is what Peterson said in his statement: "But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man."

But I mean what does he know, it's only his life. We're all much more qualified to tell him what REALLY went down right?