Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The question I have is will the Vikings offer a jersey exchange? ADP has been a top 10 selling jersey for years. Would cost the NFL a pretty penny.
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Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (2 Viewers)
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I imagine for each lashing there was one that didn't leave a bloody mark yes - what can you can count, 10-12 or so in the photo's on each leg?
Viking suspended ADP indefinitely this morning I believe I read - good call Vikings
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
Reading this thread is becoming a chore.
I think AP sits the rests of the year, gets professional help, does a PSA and is back on the field for a different team in 2015.
I think AP sits the rests of the year, gets professional help, does a PSA and is back on the field for a different team in 2015.
Neofight
Footballguy
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
So what is your take on the NJ State Police saying they gave the NFL the tape in April and an unidentified NFL representative confirming receipt via voicemail?
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Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Are they sure it was a NFL rep or a Ravens Rep, somone said an NFL executive, that could be a Ravens front office person.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
What a crock of ####... I'm about to turn away from the NFL. I do not condone or justify these men being punished actions but the NFL did not care when Jerramy Stevens protected their shield. Donte Stallworth got some due process. Ray Lewis was the face of the NFL and is now commenting about these situations in away that makes you want to blow up your mind. The poster that said stop and hit reset as a joke every few threads was right. Goodell is a cowardly man that he can't even face the media anymore. That's part of your job man.
GregR
Footballguy
I've not really weighed in on Peterson's situation to date. I don't condone what he did, but there are general issues around punishing players, what the goal of the punishment actually is (deterrence, appeasing fans and sponsors, etc), where the player's issue is in the legal process, etc, that are troubling enough to me I don't know that I feel right trying to say what should be done with Peterson. They impact Peterson's situation but aren't specific to Peterson either, the same issues are there with any other player.
Anyway, Stephanie Stradley wrote a great article which vocalized a lot of my concerns far better than I could have. A good read that discusses the issues and points out how tough getting it right, and consistent, can be.
http://www.stradleylaw.com/sensible-discipline-nfl-player-misconduct/
Anyway, Stephanie Stradley wrote a great article which vocalized a lot of my concerns far better than I could have. A good read that discusses the issues and points out how tough getting it right, and consistent, can be.
http://www.stradleylaw.com/sensible-discipline-nfl-player-misconduct/
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
So does not watching the game of football that you loved for years fix the problem?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
That's a really good article. Her #2 point is the one that always makes me waffle on these things. The careers are so short for these players (and especially so for a RB).
If Peterson sits and loses this season and then the legal system basically says "Ok, you're ok. Nothing going on here", then Peterson will go from being the perpetrator to a victim because he will come back and play and when all is said and done and people are looking at his career numbers, there is always going to be something said about how he was the best RB of his time, arguably, and there is going to be a big doughnut hole there in the stats where people will say "what if". And then the debate of that what if will put him in the spotlight again.
Shutout
Footballguy
So has prostitution but the NFL isn't calling out the state of Nevada to get their house in order.
Glass houses and stones...
Avery
Footballguy
Good article and it touched on many points (and many more) that have troubled me about the handling of this situation and its implications for other future situations as well. Rounding out to her conclusion:
Again, you aren't necessarily pro-child abuse or a "Peterson apologist" to recognize the larger picture of how the NFL can and should apply conduct penalties in a fair and judicious even handed nature.
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:
Neofight
Footballguy
Thoughtful article that really asks more questions than it answers (which I like). I was really surprised she hardly touched on the money issue; seems like that is an obviously major concern and driver on both sides of the discipline issue.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
interesting, its being reported that AP had to sign off on this and will be paid his 11 mil. So he might be back by mid to late Oct and use his time away to get help.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
In a nutshell, it is not the game I love. AD is just one more thing. They're taking talent off the field in a corrupt manner, they are officiating in a corrupt manner, hell they are taking cursing out of the game. When does it stop? Now would be a good time for the USFL to rise from the ashes. You can't PC this sport. It will always be unsafe and brutal. It will always be comprised of men who are athletic but who may not have the highest intelligence. It's heading very quickly towards the cliff. Like someone else posted the players rights are being stripped at a high level. There is give an take. The players don't ever think they'll find themselves in these situations so they've never fought to protect themselves from just outright being stripped of what they have and the owners have forgotten the first rule of business in that the product you put out is always the most important over everything else. That product to me has been watered down to a great extent.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
watered down product > beaten 4 yo child.
Oh.... the outrage!
what's the world coming to when our petty Sunday entertainment is threatened?
Oh.... the outrage!
what's the world coming to when our petty Sunday entertainment is threatened?
Run It Up
Footballguy
He agreed to it because the alternative was a possibly much worse outcome for his career, he and the Vikings are trying to get out in front of it.
trogg78
Footballguy
When someone does not use a product responsibly do you usually blame the product and not the irresponsible user? You misplace blame friend.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Oh stop it. He beat a four year old child. Remember, that's not in any doubt. Peterson admitted to doing it, there are pictures, etc. In that way, this case is fairly unusual. If Peterson denied the allegations, I'd be right there with those who say he should have his day in court. But he admitted to beating the child, he just doesn't think it was wrong to do so.
Whether or not a Texas jury finds him guilty of a crime has little bearing on whether he should represent the NFL. He may very well be acquitted in court, but he still beat a four year old child. In terms of how the NFL should handle the case, I really couldn't possibly care less about what verdict he gets in Texas. That's a separate issue.
Calling him a victim in this context is a huge stretch. Perhaps he's a victim of a ####ty upbringing. Perhaps he's a victim of a culture that never taught him that beating toddlers is wrong. You can make excuses for him but people are still responsible for their actions, and he's a grown man - an elite athlete - who used physical violence on a little kid. Let's not lose sight of who the victims really are.
pantherclub
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
right! not like that product isn't irresponsibly advertised as making you life better when you use it.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I cut him today.
I was holding back because I was worried he'd end up on the field and didn't want to upset the competitive balance in that league. Now, I was thrilled to be rid of him.
trogg78
Footballguy
There is really no debate when you keep changing your argument to be even more wrong.
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't really want to get into arguing beliefs and I, myself, am very neutral at this point, but there IS doubt. You say several times that he BEAT his child. Peterson says he DISCIPLINED his child and that is what is in doubt. Maybe not in the eyes of public opinion for some, but in the legal system.
And that is the point lying behind what I posted. IF (and we don't know yet), he sits out and then the legal system says "go home Mr. Peterson, you have not beat your child and you're not going to jail" then you absolutely will hear about the "what if" of this for the rest of your life. Ten, twenty years from now, you will watch some "Top 10 RBs of all time" and there will be some guy on there talking about Peterson with his asterisk. On talk shows, you absolutely will hear the sports media discussing things like what would the Vikes season had been like had they let this innocent man play. What would his numbers have been had he not missed X amount of time.
That's all I'm saying. Not arguing for or against something. Just saying that this scenario actually feeds the fire for down the road.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Yes it's a slippery slope. However I think the Vikings at any point could have suspended him for "conduct detrimental to the team", which I suppose regardless of whether he is found guilty or not, applies.
So far, this has gone the way I figured it would, with the exception that the Vikings were dumb to have tried to reinstate him immediately. Had they just decided to shut him down for a month originally, they probably could have brought him back in a month with much less blowblack.
Expect more backlash today from the other side. This is the way our country works today. NFLPA will likely throw their hat into the ring as well. Ultimately this case will never see the courtroom, few ever do, but the circumstances now means Hardin will push for a plea at the onset. Likely he will plead to a misdemeanor charge, regardless of what the Forbes lawyer guy thinks (his article basically read like a motion for summary judgment for the prosecution). Since the NFL will have ample justification to levy their own punishment at that time, they will likely then decide on whether his time away is considered time served (unlikely if he's still getting paid) or tack on additional suspension.
In short, the Vikings kinda screwed themselves.
So you had Gordon and Peterson? Did you draft Rice and Vick also? Too late to pick up Ochocinco and Dante Stallworth as WRs? Grab Chmura as a TE, if your league allows really retro picks.
What do you think the child receiving this discipline will be thinking 10, 20 years down the road? What will his kids be thinking?
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Peterson "disciplined" a four year old child, by beating him. That's not in doubt. He just believed that beating a child with a stick was an appropriate form of discipline.
I already said I'm not particularly interested in whether twelve Texans decide Peterson committed a crime. I, and obviously many others, don't think it's unreasonable for the NFL to decide they don't want him representing the league, based on the facts of the case that are already known.
Well, he did beat his child. They're just deciding whether or not he should go to jail for it. And, separately, the Vikings and the NFL are allowed to decide whether or not he should retain the privilege of playing football for $700,000 a week.
Just speaking personally, I couldn't care less about that (and I mentioned way upthread that I've owned Peterson in my local keeper league since his rookie year, and he's been one of my favorite players on the field in all that time). "What if" he hadn't whipped a small child who was temporarily in his custody? Then he'd be playing this Sunday. But he did, so he isn't.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If the Baltimore Ravens had the ability to gain access to the tape then so did the NFL league offices. Plausible deniability shouldn't save Goodell because he set the standard back in 2012 with this statement on the Saints bounty program suspensions:
"The violations were compounded by the failure of Coach Payton to supervise the players and coaches and his affirmative decision starting in 2010 (a) not to inquire into the facts concerning the pay-for-performance/bounty program even though he was aware of the league's inquiries both in 2010 and 2012..." - Goodell statement that ignorance will not prevent the NFL from holding Sean Payton liable.
Neofight
Footballguy
In the grand scheme of things, those conversations hardly matter. People will say things, misremember and misstate the facts; none of it will matter much. As far as Peterson's case, as we know the evidence and per his own admission, the league did the right thing in offering the exemption and Minnesota did the right thing in accepting it. They had no other choice. As for Peterson's legal case, that looks to be a really tough go for Peterson based on recent Texas case history (assuming he doesn't cop a plea: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/09/16/adrian-petersons-indefensible-abuse-of-a-4-year-old-likely-violates-texas-law/.) Then again, Rice got PTI on an aggravated assault charge in New Jersey, which is no small feat.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
feel likes the Roman empire where the Emperor would give a thumbs up and if the crowd boo'd then he give a thumbs down and kill the gladiator.
chinawildman
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
(HULK)
(Smash)
Lol, I'm in multiple leagues. Only had Peterson in 1.
Had Gordon (at some point or another) in all leagues though.
I was abused pretty good as a kid, and I have no problem with pot, so my feelings on the 2 guys are miles apart.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
the NFL shouldn't have given into the public like this, they develop a new harsh policy for domestic violence and then don't even follow it by giving out even harsher penalties.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
They should have said 'We don't care what the public and our sponsors think. We want this child beater playing!'
Run It Up
Footballguy
Expect them to change it again. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a zero tolerance 1 year ban.
jonessed
Footballguy
He gets paid until he pleads out the case and eats the 6-game suspension (which will likely end up being made up largely of the games he missed anyway). That seems like a good result for everybody. The media gets their pound of flesh, AP gets the monkey off of his back, and the Vikings keep their player.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
25 AP threads. Forum needs some new material....brady or manning? Go!
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I wonder what the response from the Viking crowd is when he does play. Ray Rice got cheered.
They should have said 'We don't care what the public and our sponsors think. We want this child beater playing!'
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Except that the public as a whole is their main consumer. Not to mention the Minnesota population is a "partner" in the building of the Vikings new stadium via tax dollars.KellysHeroes said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
Since the Vikings deactivated, and the league didn't suspend him, would the games missed count as time served? My guess would be no, unless a deal is struck, which I could definitely see happening to get AP back as soon as possible. And isn't there also the possibility that he gets more than 6 games since the policy provides for harsher punishments if children are involved?jonessed said:
ETA: Read Goodell's letter, and it actually says harsher punishments if committed in the presence of a child. But it also says longer suspensions can be given out as circumstances warrant, so I guess as with everything, any range of possibilities are in play.
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Grateful Parrot
Footballguy
I still find it hard that this is public opinion. The media is having a field day with higher rating to keep this fire lit. Nobody has asked my opinion and I'm apart of the public, so it's not a total consensus.
And again, I don't support of the over usage of corporal punishment. But I don't feel without set rules and policies of making one guy a scapegoat.
Look at these arrests in the past, why now is it time to be moral.
http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/
chinawildman
Footballguy
Doubt it if he's getting paid for the time that he's away. The "children" clause in the policy does not specifically address children as victims so that part is very gray.
