AFAIK, the NFL will apply the personal conduct policy, not the domestic abuse policy.
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Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)
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chinawildman
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"I will see you again... but not yet.... not yet."jonessed said:
chinawildman
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I think the domestic abuse policy is included as part of the personal conduct policy, they are not exclusive of one another.
RhymesMcJuice
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This will come down to the DA wanting a quick and easy win (domestic assault plea) vs. dragging this through court and making a name for himself.Neofight said:
It's been mentioned before in this thread, but folks need to separate the legal system from the NFL, from the Vikings, from the court of public opinion.Shutout said:
Each of those entities will have their own process, their own standards, their own rules of evidence, their own punishments, etc. Peterson may well ultimately be exonerated by the legal system. That really doesn't have much bearing on his disposition in any of these other venues. The NFL, the Vikings, and certainly the general public will form their own conclusions independently of the courts.
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chinawildman
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Less than 10% of cases ever go to trial, and given the circumstances as it stands now I assume they will push hard for a plea.
That's a cute little article, but neglects to factor in other important aspects surrounding this case. Ultimately pleas result in both sides putting their chips on the table and negotiating something that throws the least amount of mud on each other's faces. For the DA, they will likely want to avoid a privacy violation countersuit on the part of the Peterson family for the leaked photos and police report. For AP I suspect they will want the most favorably sentence to allow him to play football again. (I suspect Hardin will check with the NFL first on what they deem "acceptable" terms).
This is Texas after all and despite the fact that Peterson plays for the Vikings, he is seen as "one of our own". It won't take too many nudges and winks and back scratches from Jerry Jones and other public figures to get the DA on their side. Any jail time would surprise me at this point. I mean Nate Newton got caught with 175 pounds of weed on a second offense I believe and only got 30 months.
Neil Beaufort Zod
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Whoever takes a switch to a four year old's scrotum.KellysHeroes said:
False Start
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Someone needs to put a stop to this blood bath of a press conference. Vikings couldnt be more clear this decision was about money. All they keep saying is "Get it right." Disaster.
dparker713
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If I were Peterson, first play back for the Vikings I would take the handoff, turn around and gently toss the ball. I'd continue to do that until they cut me.
False Start
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They have said got it right already over 20 times in 10 minutes of a press conference. Mark Wilf couldnt be more clueless, the lawyer is defensive and Rick is trying to bob and weave.
dparker713
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chinawildman
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VaTerp
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Right, because that's exactly what he did.
For the umpteenth time I agree that what Peterson did was wrong but people need to stop sensationalizing everything.
Neil Beaufort Zod
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Neil Beaufort Zod
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dparker713
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The lynchings are not confined to players using a switch on their children. The lynchings are done whenever rich white people decide to get indignant.
VaTerp
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He admitted to catching him on the nuts one time because he didnt realize the tail end of the switch was wrapping around the child's legs.
Your post, and others, suggest that he intentionally hit his kid directly in his scrotum. Someone in this thread or one of the others even went as far as to basically suggest he's a pedophile.
It's sensationalizing to portray things in the most negative light possible.
Bamac
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Prescient move by All Day. This solidifies him as a Tony Dungy reclamation project.
Avery
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Many people seem to lack the ability to see beyond their righteous indignation about Peterson. They seem to like the "I know wrong, when I see wrong" type of justice and punishment.
The mayhem of mob justice looks at each incident as it happens and applies the punishment that their anger sees fit to implement whereas a set of rules and law has punishments codified so that the accused gets a fair shake and their "day in court" regardless of who they are.
Again, what happens here (and with Rice) is beyond these crimes as these players. The reasons we as a society have rule of law and the NFL has a code of conduct and (supposedly) clearly laid out punishments for violating the policy is to take into account future incidents and future punishments that we do not yet know.
I may not like the crimes or the people who did them but I fear the precedent this sets.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
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Avery
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The league knew what happened and gave him two games.
Their changed the code of conduct after there was public outcry to give similar incidents 6 games.
There was more public outcry after the video tape was released so he got "indefinite" games.
That seems like a figurative lynching by the mob.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
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So you now admit that's exactly what he did? Good.
Maybe you care that he claims it was an accident. I think you're missing the point. If a whipping puts a four year old's genitals in danger, that's the problem -- not whether he injured them this time, or the next time, or 15 times from now.
The problem is that the kid's scrotum was even in jeopardy. The problem is that Peterson didn't realize, after hitting the kid 10 or 15 times, that the switch was wrapping around the child's legs. How did he not know? Was he watching television? Texting a friend? How do you not see what the hits are doing as you're hitting?
This is negative. No special light is necessary.
Neil Beaufort Zod
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The NFL is not adhering to its own policy. I agree. That's not a lynching, literally or figuratively.
VaTerp
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No, that's not exactly what he did and I'm not missing any point.
I said repeatedly what he did was wrong. But to further sensationalize and mischaracterize what happened in order to feed the mob mentality is wrong. And I'm going to continue pointing that out.
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Avery
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I think we're arguing about semantics, but how is ignoring the rules to appease the angry public so their can get their pound of flesh not a figurate lynching?
(Obivously this isn't a literal lynching... no rope... no tree.)
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blake
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Was thinking the exact same thing. The shark pool can't be trusted with these sorts of threads.
BoltNlava
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I'm just waiting for the lawsuit angle from Peterson's side....Too many helmet to helmet hits have clouded his judgement and was unable to function as a responsible parent. Rage has taken over his non-football life and therefore rendered him unfit for certian family situations.
KellysHeroes
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Not to mention that the Vikings knew about these cases and they we're fine with celebrating Peterson and his achievements. Once the lynch mob started banging on the door they held back for a day but then they gave him up to the mob to save their own tails.
Neil Beaufort Zod
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He took a switch to a four year old's scrotum. That's exactly what he did. He admitted it. You can mitigate it by saying he did it on accident. But he still did it. It happened.
It's not sensationalized nor is it mischaracterized. Whether he meant to do it or not, his brand of "discipline" puts a young child's genitals in danger. That's how rough his discipline is on a four year old. And I will continue to point that out, no matter how many people try to claim it's "mischaracterized."
Neil Beaufort Zod
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The only figurative "lynching" comes from the NFL being hypocritical and not following a policy they just put in place. The public is naturally disgusted and appalled by what they saw on the elevator video. That's not a mob.
Blame the league for not suspending him for six games per their own rules. But he should have been suspended and the public should be disgusted.
VaTerp
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Probably is time to move this to the FFA and since I don't venture there I'll offer a few last thoughts on the situation.
What Adrian Peterson did was wrong. But as wrong as I think he was I am not going to demonize him. I take him at his word that it was a misguided attempt to discipline his child. Moving forward I hope that he learns from this and completely eliminates switches and belts from his discipline practices. But I don't think punitive measures--to the length that most here advocate--- solve any problems or help anybody in this case. I disagree with the Vikings decision to place him on the exempt list as well as the pandering and grandstanding from politicians and business executives though I certainly understand why they arrived at their decisions.
Many have talked about how culture relates to this situation. Some have suggested it as an excuse for Peterson's behavior while most have dismissed it entirely. I have to agree with many of the thought provoking points made by chinwildman, avery, and others in this thread. Adrian Peterson grew up with this sort of discipline as a child. As parents many of us revert back to things that our parents did--whether our parents were saints or not--- and other things that we observed or experienced while growing up. I think he genuinely believes that by instilling discipline in his children he is helping them as a parent and the fact that he does not live with all of his kids maybe even factors in his going overboard with discipline during the time he does spend with them. However misguided and poorly executed his actual practice of discipline may be, I truly believe that his heart is in the right place. And the fact of the matter is that there are sub-cultures, particularly among more rural black families in the south where "whoopin" kids as an act of discipline is common place. This is the culture that Peterson was raised in and what he believes instilled certain things in him that have enabled him to achieve what he has as an athlete. So again, culture is not an excuse for his behavior but it does help explain it and put it in context for me.
Others have dismissed culture entirely as part of this equation. They've compared it to slavery or segregation or discrimination against women and others. But the thing is, I was raised in the suburbs outside of Richmond, VA where throughout my time in school I was taught that people like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson---who went to war in large part to protect the right to enslave people who look like me---were some of the greatest men who ever lived. Culture and the times in which they lived are indeed used to excuse deplorable behavior for many of the founding fathers of this country. It's why Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill despite leading some of the greatest atrocities in the history of this country. It's why there is a street in my hometown lined with statutes and monuments of Confederate leaders--the same street where controversy erupted less than 20 years ago when city officials dared to place a statue of Aurther Ashe there.
So why is it that culture is an excuse for the abhorrent behaviors of some but not for others? It's because we are socialized to accept or forgive the cultural transgressions of the dominant group and to chastise, ridicule, and punish those of the non-dominant groups. That's what makes it so easy and convenient to call him a P.O.S. and dehumanize him and jump to the worst possible assumptions or characterizations of everything related to this situation.
Adrian Peterson was obviously wrong here. But I refuse to sit by idly and watch the mob mentality demonize and dehumanize the man. He's a man. An imperfect man like the rest of us who is suffering from the consequences of his actions. My hope is that he makes amends with his children and works earnestly to become a better father, husband, and man as he declared in his statement. I hope that the legal process in Texas does deliver justice and that his kids, his family, and he himself end up the better for it. And I do sincerely hope that people who practice physical discipline of their children will re-examine that decision and switches probably no longer have a place in today's society. But I don't think Peterson needs to lose so much that he's worked for to prove that point.
What Adrian Peterson did was wrong. But as wrong as I think he was I am not going to demonize him. I take him at his word that it was a misguided attempt to discipline his child. Moving forward I hope that he learns from this and completely eliminates switches and belts from his discipline practices. But I don't think punitive measures--to the length that most here advocate--- solve any problems or help anybody in this case. I disagree with the Vikings decision to place him on the exempt list as well as the pandering and grandstanding from politicians and business executives though I certainly understand why they arrived at their decisions.
Many have talked about how culture relates to this situation. Some have suggested it as an excuse for Peterson's behavior while most have dismissed it entirely. I have to agree with many of the thought provoking points made by chinwildman, avery, and others in this thread. Adrian Peterson grew up with this sort of discipline as a child. As parents many of us revert back to things that our parents did--whether our parents were saints or not--- and other things that we observed or experienced while growing up. I think he genuinely believes that by instilling discipline in his children he is helping them as a parent and the fact that he does not live with all of his kids maybe even factors in his going overboard with discipline during the time he does spend with them. However misguided and poorly executed his actual practice of discipline may be, I truly believe that his heart is in the right place. And the fact of the matter is that there are sub-cultures, particularly among more rural black families in the south where "whoopin" kids as an act of discipline is common place. This is the culture that Peterson was raised in and what he believes instilled certain things in him that have enabled him to achieve what he has as an athlete. So again, culture is not an excuse for his behavior but it does help explain it and put it in context for me.
Others have dismissed culture entirely as part of this equation. They've compared it to slavery or segregation or discrimination against women and others. But the thing is, I was raised in the suburbs outside of Richmond, VA where throughout my time in school I was taught that people like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson---who went to war in large part to protect the right to enslave people who look like me---were some of the greatest men who ever lived. Culture and the times in which they lived are indeed used to excuse deplorable behavior for many of the founding fathers of this country. It's why Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill despite leading some of the greatest atrocities in the history of this country. It's why there is a street in my hometown lined with statutes and monuments of Confederate leaders--the same street where controversy erupted less than 20 years ago when city officials dared to place a statue of Aurther Ashe there.
So why is it that culture is an excuse for the abhorrent behaviors of some but not for others? It's because we are socialized to accept or forgive the cultural transgressions of the dominant group and to chastise, ridicule, and punish those of the non-dominant groups. That's what makes it so easy and convenient to call him a P.O.S. and dehumanize him and jump to the worst possible assumptions or characterizations of everything related to this situation.
Adrian Peterson was obviously wrong here. But I refuse to sit by idly and watch the mob mentality demonize and dehumanize the man. He's a man. An imperfect man like the rest of us who is suffering from the consequences of his actions. My hope is that he makes amends with his children and works earnestly to become a better father, husband, and man as he declared in his statement. I hope that the legal process in Texas does deliver justice and that his kids, his family, and he himself end up the better for it. And I do sincerely hope that people who practice physical discipline of their children will re-examine that decision and switches probably no longer have a place in today's society. But I don't think Peterson needs to lose so much that he's worked for to prove that point.
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chinawildman
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This is the key. Make no mistake, the almighty dollar, not morals or ethics, is what moved the needle here.fatness said:
America's a consumerist culture, what are u gonna do?
dparker713
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dparker713
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He took a switch to a four year old's butt. He has not admitted to directly striking the child in the scrotum. HTH.
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Henry Ford
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Culture absolutely plays a role here. But it's an explanation, not an excuse. There is no excuse for abusing children under the guise of discipline, and that message needs to come through loud and clear... not only to Peterson, but especially to the millions of folks following this story.
Hopefully, some cultural change away from the acceptance of this sort of "discipline" will be effected by this ordeal.
I don't think that message gets sent, or that change can happen, if Peterson gets off with the proverbial slap on the wrist. In fact that result would serve to justify this sort of thing, which would make an already horrible situation even worse.
dparker713
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He took a switch to a four year old's butt. He has not admitted to directly striking the child in the scrotum. HTH.
Kool-Aid Larry
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it was the switch that hit him in the scrotum
Bigboy10182000
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Cause it was an accident. He felt bad for hitting him there and was not aware (his words) that the switch was wrapping around the kids leg
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dparker713
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Johnny Blood
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Ha, he didn't mean to. Yet he did, didn't he. I've learned where you're coming from after your whole dog training exercise.
VaTerp
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Fair response.
I don't think waiting on the legal process though, as the Vikings originally intended to do, justifies anything or makes anything worse. And Peterson is still spending tons of money in legal defense, losing millions more in lost endorsements, and has permanently stained his once highly regarded reputation. I don't think that's a proverbial slap on the wrist and I think he, the Vikings, and the NFL could use the ordeal as a platform to truly educate people on corporal punishment and using better judgement in disciplining young children. I guess they still can to a certain degree but now it just looks like trying to cut their losses solely for the sake of pandering and giving the angry mob it's pound of flesh.
ETA- And what do you think would be the appropriate discipline here?
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