Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (2 Viewers)

[Loomba]

A particularly depressing aspect of this and the Ray Rice situations is that at least 90% of people's responses are emotional, thought-free reactions that inevitably come down on one extreme or the other, when the truth is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, that requires patience and thinking, which very few want to do.

What AP did to that boy is awful and tragic. It is also consistent with his upbringing and his faith (to be clear, those don't excuse it, but they provide context for understanding how it happened). The fact that he believes he is acting in the best long-term interest of his son is important, no matter how ill-informed that belief may be. That's different from him being pissed off about losing a game and taking it out on his kid. The NFL will do whatever is in its best financial interest, and if we're lucky that will align with what's best for AP Junior. Maybe a two to four-week suspension for AP while he goes to counseling to learn how to be a strong father without resorting to violence, especially at that level. States may disagree on whether corporal punishment is allowed, but there is still a line and this is clearly beyond it.

This is a great post. A couple of other thoughts I have:

- I'm actually glad to see that AP seems to care about his kids. I'm a little perplexed that he didn't seem to be be involved in the life of the child who died a year or two ago but he seems to care about his other kids. Hopefully he learns from this and finds the proper line for disciplining his children. I'd rather have that than the more common behavior in the AA community where the father is MIA.

- I've seen people in this thread comparing this to the Vick or Ray Rice cases. This is very different than both of those cases. This was a father trying to do what he felt was right and in the best interests of his child. Clearly he was wrong in his application of that principle but to compare this to either of those other cases is ridiculous IMO.

How the team and the NFL treat this case make it parallel very nicely to the Ray Rice case. It also follows the Ray Rice case by a matter of only a few days. Both involve allegations of, or actual, abuse too.

 

[Vector]

The ####ification of America is truly getting ######ed.

I'm not advocating that what he did was right or wrong. I'm only advocating that due process is being ignored because of Fat Lindas and public outcry.

There are amendments which were developed after firing flintlocks at our brothers and sisters. These amendments were meant to protect everyone.

We're all entitled to our opinions, because of these rights. Quit abusing them.

Really ? Who are you ?

I'm a veteran, single father of three and a patriot who believes firmly that media can be just as unfair as life. Who are you?

Edit: Also a Peterson owner who picked up Asiata.

Based on your initial post, I guess you think OJ should be walking the streets too, since a jury of his peers acquitted him.

Sometimes media and technology bring crimes out into the light, that would otherwise remain unsolved.

Oh, social control, is social control. If I had it my way, I'd have had you sniped from a windowsill moments after your first reply. However, I try to uphold the rules that our culture has done fairly well with in the last 239 years.

I'll never admit that it is perfect but let's at least try to live out the rules we've put together over centuries. Ignoring them to appease the masses is a contributor to downfall.

O.J, as you said, was acquitted. However that happened, it happened. Suck it up and drive on.

I've been trying to educate some of my co-workers on this very "social control" subject since the Ray Rice feeding frenzy. They just don't get it. We are heading down a troubling path in our society. I just hope those who crow the loudest in judgment of others have their day in the new social court.

 

[hagmania]

The overreactions to this are going to be mind blowing fun to watch.

I'll wager you haven't seen the photos.

Those pictures are nothing compared to marks I had and I imagine millions of kids in Texas are still getting.

So, because you were hit harder (or had worse injuries from it), it's ok?

You haven't read the thread if you think cstu condones any corporeal punishment.

 

[Bad_Mo]

The overreactions to this are going to be mind blowing fun to watch.

I'll wager you haven't seen the photos.

Those pictures are nothing compared to marks I had and I imagine millions of kids in Texas are still getting.

Where are the pics? A 4-year old...really?

Who the hell takes a switch to a 4-year old?

In Peterson's defense, the 4 year did push down another kid and he only hit him about 15 times

At least this child didn't get murdered...yet.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I'm ready to quit fantasy

can thjey just suspend him next year?

Trade his ### to the least connected owner in your league. Take a kicker even.

 

[simsarge]

Fri, Sep 12

The Vikings have deactivated Adrian Peterson inactive for Week 2.

Advice: Peterson won't play this week after he was indicted on child abuse charges Friday. As of now, it's not clear if he'll face further discipline from Minnesota or the NFL. Matt Asiata will start in his place Sunday, with Jerick McKinnon taking over as the No. 2 back. The Vikings are also likely to activate Joe Banyard from the practice squad to provide depth.

More: Darren Wolfson on Twitter

(Rotoworld.com)

 

[cstu]

The overreactions to this are going to be mind blowing fun to watch.

I'll wager you haven't seen the photos.

Those pictures are nothing compared to marks I had and I imagine millions of kids in Texas are still getting.

Ahh..the old two wrongs make a right defense.

No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that what he did was borderline legal in Texas. They need to change their laws.

 

[StrikeS2k]

When is someone going to start the "Greg Hardy" thread?

 

[Casting Couch]

Oh, social control, is social control. If I had it my way, I'd have had you sniped from a windowsill moments after your first reply. However, I try to uphold the rules that our culture has done fairly well with in the last 239 years.

It must suck to be a violent, stupid man.

Now go back to sleep.

 

[lod01]

I'm ready to quit fantasy

can thjey just suspend him next year?

You need this

Kool Aid Larry's Pre-game Speech

 

[GDogg]

The overreactions to this are going to be mind blowing fun to watch.

I'll wager you haven't seen the photos.

Those pictures are nothing compared to marks I had and I imagine millions of kids in Texas are still getting.

So, because you were hit harder (or had worse injuries from it), it's ok?

You haven't read the thread if you think cstu condones any corporeal punishment.

I didn't even look to see who wrote it. So, it's satire?

 

[Parmcat]

Oh, Jesus, kid was four. This guy should be in prison. Immediately.

its still not ok to abuse an 11 year old.

I agree. I think this is almost certainly good reason for prison for doing it to an 11-year-old.

But under any circumstance whatsoever to strike a four year old like that is beyond imagination.

You've led a sheltered life, haven't you.

I'm beginning to think that a lot of Footballguys have led sheltered lives. We have officially become a nation of emo wimps.

The child was not seriously injured. AP should be issued a warning against this type of discipline, and the matter dropped. If it happens again, then that might warrant more concrete action.

So, do you know for a fact this was the first time he did it?

And there could be more here then physical damage....but you already know that, right Dr.

 

[Reegus]

I'm ready to quit fantasy

can thjey just suspend him next year?

Lol cry more guy

 

[Vector]

Oh, social control, is social control. If I had it my way, I'd have had you sniped from a windowsill moments after your first reply. However, I try to uphold the rules that our culture has done fairly well with in the last 239 years.

It must suck to be a violent, stupid man.

Now go back to sleep.

You REALLY need to change your icon buddy.

 

[cstu]

The overreactions to this are going to be mind blowing fun to watch.

I'll wager you haven't seen the photos.

Those pictures are nothing compared to marks I had and I imagine millions of kids in Texas are still getting.

So, because you were hit harder (or had worse injuries from it), it's ok?

You haven't read the thread if you think cstu condones any corporeal punishment.

I didn't even look to see who wrote it. So, it's satire?

These things are allowed in many parts of the country. I live in California where you'd lose your kid if you did that but in places like Texas or Alabama no one bats an eye.

 

[Bad_Mo]

So, to recap...

AP has been involved/associated with a bar fight incident, death of one son by a cowardly boyfriend or whatever of a girl he knocked up, this switching incident. Others than I'm not recalling? Thought he was a clean guy (not that his poor son dying as a result of a POS has anything to do with his character) but maybe I am mistaken.

Definitely has the strongest handshake in the league though. Maybe he submits Goodell due to handshake tap out...?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Looking at the pictures - definitely unacceptable.

Question I have (that I didn't see mentioned previously - sorry if it was) - this supposedly happened in May. We're in September now. Granted that's only four-five months, but why so long to indict him?

TX is a huge state, lots of cases

Lots of freaks too. Function of size, IMO. Florida tops all states as far as freaks go.

 

[Jeremy]

Ok, without looking at any of the previous posts, I'll wager a guess that at least a half dozen of you think this is normal discipline because your ol' pappy did it to you.

 

[butcher boy]

I'd never heard of "switching" before this, but #### any "culture" where this is the norm.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'd never heard of "switching" before this, but #### any "culture" where this is the norm.

Ha. I would advise you never to leave North America.

 

[jonessed]

This may have been asked, I'm just getting my outrage in order on this one, but is this covered under the new domestic abuse policy? Are kids/family a part of that? I feel like that is probably a dumb question, but just wondering.

Indictments are pretty easy to get. I think the odds of him being convicted of anything are pretty slim. It's being reported that the original Grand Jury wouldn't even indict.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

A particularly depressing aspect of this and the Ray Rice situations is that at least 90% of people's responses are emotional, thought-free reactions that inevitably come down on one extreme or the other, when the truth is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, that requires patience and thinking, which very few want to do.

What AP did to that boy is awful and tragic. It is also consistent with his upbringing and his faith (to be clear, those don't excuse it, but they provide context for understanding how it happened). The fact that he believes he is acting in the best long-term interest of his son is important, no matter how ill-informed that belief may be. That's different from him being pissed off about losing a game and taking it out on his kid. The NFL will do whatever is in its best financial interest, and if we're lucky that will align with what's best for AP Junior. Maybe a two to four-week suspension for AP while he goes to counseling to learn how to be a strong father without resorting to violence, especially at that level. States may disagree on whether corporal punishment is allowed, but there is still a line and this is clearly beyond it.

I pretty much agreed with the first half of your post and pretty much disagreed with the second half.

I have 3 children and I can't imagine whipping a 4 year old on the back of the legs with a stick, but I do not believe the "state" should have the absolute power to come between parents and their children. We do not know the facts and the circumstances other than a father has been charged with a felony for disciplining his child in a manner that the "state" deems abusive.

Not condoning this people, not at all; just pointing our that it is not nearly as black and white as some want to make it.

If the bottom line is the well being of the child then aren't the parents who don't discipline their kids guilty of neglect and abuse? How about kids who are obese, absentee parents etc, etc.

Not black and white at all.

For those who think the line is clear I call BS, nothing is clear or logical when you are dealing with the brain dead, zero tolerance zombies who are the "state".

 

[BaBastage]

When I first heard the report without details, I was willing to give AP the benefit of the doubt. Some parts of the country spanking your kids is tolerated more than others, and it may have been chalked up to sensationalist journalism.

Then I got the details... the kid was four. FOUR! And it wasn't a "scare the child more than hurt him" sort of punishment.

So if the reports are true, and the police have the texts and pictures of the child's injuries, Imo this offense is worse than Ray Rice's. At least Ray's wife is an adult with the choice to take action. There is zero excuse for causing injury to a 4 year old.

I'm ill now.

 

[lakerstan]

I'd love to see him tested for PED's now. He came back from injury "miraculously" fast, and now has a violent temper. I hope not a sign of roid rage.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I'd like to know what moron named a tree limb a switch?

It comes from the German word for "stick", Copernicus.

The only time I say switch is when I'm having a 3-some

When it's your turn with the guy?

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

This may have been asked, I'm just getting my outrage in order on this one, but is this covered under the new domestic abuse policy? Are kids/family a part of that? I feel like that is probably a dumb question, but just wondering.

Indictments are pretty easy to get. I think the odds of him being convicted of anything are pretty slim. It's being reported that the original Grand Jury wouldn't even indict.

What is it they say, "you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to"

 

[Bad_Mo]

Ok, without looking at any of the previous posts, I'll wager a guess that at least a half dozen of you think this is normal discipline because your ol' pappy did it to you.

If my pappy did it to me, he would have been picking his teeth up off the ground. I'm neither a supporter nor adamant opponent of corporal punishment. To each is own. However, if you hurt your kid enough to be indicted...you have effing problems.

 

[matuski]

I'd love to see him tested for PED's now. He came back from injury "miraculously" fast, and now has a violent temper. I hope not a sign of roid rage.

At least we aren't making any wild assumptions to jump to entirely speculative conclusions/accusations.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Man were Dodds predictions on AP off

 

[lod01]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

Interesting. Aliases afraid to post using their usual handles I suspect. Or they already got the ban with their primary user ID

 

[matuski]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

Interesting. Aliases afraid to post using their usual handles I suspect. Or they already got the ban with their primary user ID

Or, a guy joining in '11 not recognizing old timers isn't that surprising.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

Interesting. Aliases afraid to post using their usual handles I suspect. Or they already got the ban with their primary user ID

Aliases is what I was thinking. Bunch of guys who want to stir the pot, or genuinely disagree, but know that general public opinion is not on their side.

 

[Tool]

Ok, without looking at any of the previous posts, I'll wager a guess that at least a half dozen of you think this is normal discipline because your ol' pappy did it to you.

If my pappy did it to me, he would have been picking his teeth up off the ground. I'm neither a supporter nor adamant opponent of corporal punishment. To each is own. However, if you hurt your kid enough to be indicted...you have effing problems.

That would be hard for a 4 year old to do.

 

[Casting Couch]

Oh, social control, is social control. If I had it my way, I'd have had you sniped from a windowsill moments after your first reply. However, I try to uphold the rules that our culture has done fairly well with in the last 239 years.

It must suck to be a violent, stupid man.

Now go back to sleep.

You REALLY need to change your icon buddy.

You're right. Thanks for the tip, Vec.

 

[Tool]

When I first heard the report without details, I was willing to give AP the benefit of the doubt. Some parts of the country spanking your kids is tolerated more than others, and it may have been chalked up to sensationalist journalism.

Then I got the details... the kid was four. FOUR! And it wasn't a "scare the child more than hurt him" sort of punishment.

So if the reports are true, and the police have the texts and pictures of the child's injuries, Imo this offense is worse than Ray Rice's. At least Ray's wife is an adult with the choice to take action. There is zero excuse for causing injury to a 4 year old.

I'm ill now.

That fact seems to be getting lost on people.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

Interesting. Aliases afraid to post using their usual handles I suspect. Or they already got the ban with their primary user ID

Or, a guy joining in '11 not recognizing old timers isn't that surprising.

The random '03ers comment was separate, although I have been lurking for a long time.

The main point of the post was the random morons only showing up for this thread with like 300 posts.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

Goodell has known about this since May and took no action? Wow.

There was no indictment until today so there was nothing to take action on.

 

[(HULK)]

I got the metal spatula treatment a lot as a kid. Often drawing blood and leaving week long bruises. I considered it abuse. I won't spank my children because I fear that I'd lose control in the way my parents did. I own AP in one league, but I hope an example is made of him here. This is not appropriate for any child to have to experience.

 

[lod01]

Why is it every moron in this thread has a username I've NEVER seen before? And lots of random '03ers coming out of the woodwork I don't recognize either.

Interesting. Aliases afraid to post using their usual handles I suspect. Or they already got the ban with their primary user ID

Or, a guy joining in '11 not recognizing old timers isn't that surprising.

I can name 5 on this page alone that I've never seen a post from

 

[tjnc09]

Why is it people feel the need to clutter up a thread with useless posts?

 

[Avery]

Why is it people feel the need to clutter up a thread with useless posts?

 

[lod01]

Why is it people feel the need to clutter up a thread with useless posts?

What else is there to do as we wait for Goddell to climb out of his cave and make a statement? Sit here and debate the event 50 million different ways?

Peterson took this stick to his kid and is now up #### creek without a paddle.

 

[Joe Summer]

Since 1990 most of this country's school shootings have taken place. You know, around the same time people started complaining about whipping our kids, both at home and in school.

And yet most school shootings happen in states where corporal punishment is still allowed.

 

[cstu]

When I first heard the report without details, I was willing to give AP the benefit of the doubt. Some parts of the country spanking your kids is tolerated more than others, and it may have been chalked up to sensationalist journalism.

Then I got the details... the kid was four. FOUR! And it wasn't a "scare the child more than hurt him" sort of punishment.

So if the reports are true, and the police have the texts and pictures of the child's injuries, Imo this offense is worse than Ray Rice's. At least Ray's wife is an adult with the choice to take action. There is zero excuse for causing injury to a 4 year old.

I'm ill now.

That fact seems to be getting lost on people.

Ok, but that's about 23 in AP's kid years.

 

[matuski]

Why is it people feel the need to clutter up a thread with useless posts?

My aunt pulled my hair and hit me with her shoe once for teaching her kids (my cousins) to use the Lego flashlights as laser guns.

 

[simey]

This may have been asked, I'm just getting my outrage in order on this one, but is this covered under the new domestic abuse policy? Are kids/family a part of that? I feel like that is probably a dumb question, but just wondering.

Indictments are pretty easy to get. I think the odds of him being convicted of anything are pretty slim. It's being reported that the original Grand Jury wouldn't even indict.

I was the foreperson on a Grand Jury for a year, and we indicted everyone. We didn't have one case go through that wasn't a true bill. We hear the evidence, and decide if the person probably did the crime. We don't decide guilt. Most cases are plead down, and never go to trial.

 

[matuski]

As an aside, it appears AP is aspiring to be Shawn Kemp.

 

[Avery]

As an aside, it appears AP is aspiring to be Shawn Kemp.

Let's keep it relevant to football... Travis "11 kids with 10 women" Henry

 

[Kilgore]

I just got butt-slammed.