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Pick a Pair/Half Decade Album Draft - Bonus Rounds Thu & Fri - Pick three if you want (2 Viewers)

higgins said:
7.07 -- Steely Dan

Gaucho, '80

Amongst their kajillion hits, I think 'Time Out of Mind' gets overlooked.

Alive in America, '95

The best version of 'Kid Charlemagne' I've ever heard
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There's a reason that I went with Steely Dan/Donald Fagan in the first two rounds, and lyrics like "Tonight when I chase the dragon, the water may change to cherrywine and your silver will turn to gold."  are further examples.

I have another story I need to write, which was inspired by Babylon Sisters and a long overdue tryst that would have sent my life in a much different direction had it blossomed into something more. As such, that song always brings a wry smile to my face.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
There's a reason that I went with Steely Dan/Donald Fagan in the first two rounds, and lyrics like "Tonight when I chase the dragon, the water may change to cherrywine and your silver will turn to gold."  are further examples.

I have another story I need to write, which was inspired by Babylon Sisters and a long overdue tryst that would have sent my life in a much different direction had it blossomed into something more. As such, that song always brings a wry smile to my face.
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I was crushed when you took Aja.... :hot:

....but glad a true fan took him.    :)

I hope I get to read your story in due time. :thumbup:

 
higgins said:
I was crushed when you took Aja.... :hot:

....but glad a true fan took him.    :)

I hope I get to read your story in due time. :thumbup:
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Taking Can't Buy a Thrill sort of locked me into Aja in order to get full effect. My only 'regret' is not having enough space to add Josie to the playlist since we're limited to two per album, and She prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire is one of my favorite lyrics. 

I don't know that I have the self-discipline to commit the time to writing, but it's one of those things that gnaws at me from time to time.  Thanks for the encouragement, though.  :thumbup:

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Taking Can't Buy a Thrill sort of locked me into Aja in order to get full effect. My only 'regret' is not having enough space to add Josie to the playlist since we're limited to two per album, and She prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire is one of my favorite lyrics. 

I don't know that I have the self-discipline to commit the time to writing, but it's one of those things that gnaws at me from time to time.  Thanks for the encouragement, though.  :thumbup:
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We are? I'm using triads. I don't even think playlists were in the original rules or discussion. Those are organic. Anyway, if you click mine, you'll find three songs per album.

 
rockaction said:
We are? I'm using triads. I don't even think playlists were in the original rules or discussion. Those are organic. Anyway, if you click mine, you'll find three songs per album.
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Don't know why 2 songs per was locked into my head. If that's the case, I would ask those creating playlists to feel free to add Josie from the Aja album; you won't regret it.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Don't know why 2 songs per was locked into my head. If that's the case, I would ask those creating playlists to feel free to add Josie from the Aja album; you won't regret it.
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Probably due to the nature of the pick-a-pair format. I think we're creating and curating our own lists, too, just FYI. I don't think anybody is creating them for anybody else, really. I'm not even sure all the albums you're picking are on Spotify, so it might be moot, anyway.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I was pissed at RW for a half a second, but then realized when I went with Massive Attack last night it was because I was going to take these guys this round and was having a ##### of a time deciding between Badmotor and this one to pair with LtL:

ROUND 7:  MORE SOUNDGARDEN 

LOUDER THAN LOVE ('89)

SUPERUNKNOWN ('94)

@El Floppo
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Superinknown is my favorite by far fwiw.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
I have another story I need to write, which was inspired by Babylon Sisters and a long overdue tryst that would have sent my life in a much different direction had it blossomed into something more. As such, that song always brings a wry smile to my face.
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Did you jog with show folk on the sand and drink Kirschwasser from a shell?

 
El Floppo said:
Dammit man.

Give me a few to rethink things AGAIN.
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@KarmaPolice not the first time you've taken exactly the band and the two albums I had lined up. 

Was going to go different direction, but thought of these guys just now and their first album is to me an absolute classic and a different sound than my other picks so far. That pulled me back to listening to their other two and with a renewed respect for each, but especially the third which came out 24 years later.

6- Portishead

Dummy ('94)

Third ('08)

 
El Floppo said:
@KarmaPolice not the first time you've taken exactly the band and the two albums I had lined up. 

Was going to go different direction, but thought of these guys just now and their first album is to me an absolute classic and a different sound than my other picks so far. That pulled me back to listening to their other two and with a renewed respect for each, but especially the third which came out 24 years later.

6- Portishead

Dummy ('94)

Third ('08)
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I had them written down next.   Good snag.    

Odd draft if I am sniping the likes of you and eephus.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
I had them written down next.   Good snag.    

Odd draft if I am sniping the likes of you and eephus.  
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And me. I knew MA was a little vulnerable coming back to me, but I was almost certain I was getting them. I sure didn't expect you to be the sniper. It makes me happy to see though.

Like the current Steely Dan comments. I've drafted them higher and more often per draft I've participated in probably more than anyone. I am shut out thanks to my game plan, but I like it. 

When Krista reported her hatred for the Dan in genrepamonster, I shared a conversation I'd just had with my big bro. On facebook he was asked to take 3 bands/artists to his desert island. No mas, just three. I played along and Steely Dan was in my three along with her Beatles and my 1st rounder. 

Portishead didn't fit my puzzle the way I wanted, so no Steely Dan, no triphop, but fun draft. Again eeph, nice concept you came up with to shake things up. I wasn't trying to nerd out covering each 1/2 d before doubling up on a few. I was just making it more interesting and enjoying the puzzle. It worked but looking at the spreadsheet I just noticed....

I failed in the 3rd round! lol I have Bruce and Petty from 75-79... ooops. So 8 rounds instead of 7 to cover the 14 halves. Oh well. i might just forget early 60s/early 70s altogether since I already blew it.

 
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This popped up in my youtube sidebar.

An hr 20m doc about Terry Kath produced by his daughter who was 2 when he died. Her effort to get to know her dad better. The Jimi Hendricks connection is explained better than I understood it. Jimi basically put Chicago on the map. I've long been aware of the reports Jimi thought Terry was the better player, but also thought it may have been rumor. Nope. Guitar nerds I follow and chat with in other forums always rank Terry waaaaay higher than mainstream opinions. 

And hmmm, I haven't gone to guitar instrumentals here. That needs fixin'.

 
Chaos Commish said:
This popped up in my youtube sidebar.

An hr 20m doc about Terry Kath produced by his daughter who was 2 when he died. Her effort to get to know her dad better. The Jimi Hendricks connection is explained better than I understood it. Jimi basically put Chicago on the map. I've long been aware of the reports Jimi thought Terry was the better player, but also thought it may have been rumor. Nope. Guitar nerds I follow and chat with in other forums always rank Terry waaaaay higher than mainstream opinions. 

And hmmm, I haven't gone to guitar instrumentals here. That needs fixin'.
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Great stuff. I watched it last year when it aired on AXS TV. 

 
I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really. Should I listen to all these gripey, angry, angsty folks? Do I need to be on their bad trip? Do I want to be? I realize everything isn't wine and roses, but can't we have some bread, at least?

Once pop music stopped being about banging sixteen year-olds, what did it really have left besides the gripey?

Not sure.

Someone come lift me out of this malaise. It's bringing me down.

 
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rockaction said:
I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really. Should I listen to all these gripey, angry, angsty folks? Do I need to be on their bad trip? Do I want to be? I realize everything isn't wine and roses, but can't we have some bread, at least?

Once pop music stopped being about banging sixteen year-olds, what did it really have left besides the gripey?

Not sure.

Someone come lift me out of this malaise. It's bringing me down.
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Yeah I can totally relate. Angry music was a huge part of me listening as a teen-young adult. I have very little interest in that anymore.

 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah I can totally relate. Angry music was a huge part of me listening as a teen-young adult. I have very little interest in that anymore.
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I'm having a hard time squaring that anger and alienation with anything remotely fun. There are true artists, and they deal with loneliness, alienation, the death of God, and all of those things -- and there's a time and place for it -- but the recreational pursuit of alienation is something I have a lot of trouble with these days.

This isn't new for me. I remember basically waving away an album to a friend who wanted to borrow it as if I were parting with absolute garbage. He laughed and said I must be really into post-rock and that I was through with rock lyrics, huh? That was very true. I had pretty much had it with rock and its laments.

The mid-sixties ushered all that in, and I'm not sure rock ever recovered as a popular form. The instruments became the instruments of choice for pop art, but rock n' roll and its sort of silly sweetness were gone. Then you have the serious  bombast of the progs and electric hippies, the alienation of the punks, and things begin to go sort of awry for me as far as a light-hearted listening formulation.

Just spitballing, really. I'm not sure what brought that on.

 
HellToupee said:
Teenage Kicks by The Undertones reminds me of the days of my youth. No truer male teen song was ever written. Don’t know why I quoted  you with this besides having a few cocktails in me
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No, that's fine. I remember when The Undertones had a revival amongst serious pop punkers (is there such a thing?) around '96-'97. I went to a Boris The Sprinkler/Riverdales/Mr. T Experience show at the Rat in Boston and I saw at least two Undertones-related pieces of clothing there. One guy had a bucket hat sort of thing with "The Undertones" emblazoned on it with the arrow and everything, and another dude had handmade a shirt.

It was cool.

 
HellToupee said:
Oh do tell or at least drop a hint
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NV or Tasker might take them and I'd feel bad spotlighting.

I can tell you the genre really hit in the earlier aughts, actually. That's a hint. And it involved dance. Post-rock is another, and we've already had Sigur Ros go, so I don't feel bad uttering the genre's name. Post-rock is lyric-free and that plus this genre was the choice for me in the mid-aughts.

 
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rockaction said:
I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really. Should I listen to all these gripey, angry, angsty folks? Do I need to be on their bad trip? Do I want to be? I realize everything isn't wine and roses, but can't we have some bread, at least?

Once pop music stopped being about banging sixteen year-olds, what did it really have left besides the gripey?

Not sure.

Someone come lift me out of this malaise. It's bringing me down.
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rockaction said:
I'm having a hard time squaring that anger and alienation with anything remotely fun. There are true artists, and they deal with loneliness, alienation, the death of God, and all of those things -- and there's a time and place for it -- but the recreational pursuit of alienation is something I have a lot of trouble with these days.

This isn't new for me. I remember basically waving away an album to a friend who wanted to borrow it as if I were parting with absolute garbage. He laughed and said I must be really into post-rock and that I was through with rock lyrics, huh? That was very true. I had pretty much had it with rock and its laments.

The mid-sixties ushered all that in, and I'm not sure rock ever recovered as a popular form. The instruments became the instruments of choice for pop art, but rock n' roll and its sort of silly sweetness were gone. Then you have the serious  bombast of the progs and electric hippies, the alienation of the punks, and things begin to go sort of awry for me as far as a light-hearted listening formulation.

Just spitballing, really. I'm not sure what brought that on.
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Do we listen to pop because we're miserable, or are we miserable because we listen to pop?

You ever think that there are times that a particularly poignant song was written without the author really feeling anything related to the song, but rather playing on tropes because he/she knew they would sell?

I think that's what got John Lennon killed.  Chapman couldn't reconcile that a man who sang songs about universal equality actually lived a life of leisure, but since Lennon had a knack for writing songs that appealed to that mindset, the belief was that he was the living embodiment of the idealism of his songs.

Remember, being a rock/pop/rap/whatever artist is still a job. I think if you can disconnect the artist from his/her art, you end up somewhere between cynical and "oh, yeah, that makes sense" and stop getting wrapped around the axle.  As my Moodies once sang, And if you want the wind of change To blow about you/And you're the only other person to know, don't tell me/I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.

In the end, people just throw #### against the wall to see what sticks and then pat themselves on the back on the 1 thing out of 100 or more that actually sticks, saying "See, I know what it all means, listen to ME!"

TL:DR version: He's just your old man; he's as full of #### as anyone. 

And so am I.

 
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Charlie Steiner said:
Do we listen to pop because we're miserable, or are we miserable because we listen to pop?

You ever think that there are times that a particularly poignant song was written without the author really feeling anything related to the song, but rather playing on tropes because he/she knew they would sell?

I think that's what got John Lennon killed.  Chapman couldn't reconcile that a man who sang songs about universal equality actually lived a life of leisure, but sing Lennon had a knack for writing songs that appealed to that mindset, the belief was that he was the living embodiment of the idealism of his songs.

Remember, being a rock/pop/rap/whatever artist is still a job. I think if you can disconnect the artist from his/her art, you end up somewhere between cynical and "oh, yeah, that makes sense" and stop getting wrapped around the axle.  As my Moodies once sang, And if you want the wind of change To blow about you/And you're the only other person to know, don't tell me/I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.

In the end, people just throw #### against the wall to see what sticks and then pat themselves on the back on the 1 thing out of 100 or more that actually sticks, saying "See, I know what it all means, listen to ME!"

TL:DR version: He's just your old man; he's as full of #### as anyone. 

And so am I.
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Yeah, that first question is a serious one. I think we live in an age of doubt that has permeated everything. I think the art is part and parcel of a lack of belief in concreteness. I don't want to get too full of it, but I think that the death of God, as we knew or conceived of God, has a lot to do with our current artistic and spiritual malaise, and we're really feeling that now in America. This past generation is the first to really lose religion, as it were, and I think a whole host of things wind up going along with that.

I don't want to dilettante the thread up too much or muck up a fun thread, but your other point is noted. I couldn't help but think, once you made your last point, of how limited we are in our artistic expressions, and that the mythology of the pop star, especially that of the anti-image image seeker, is something to be addressed in doctoral form, really.

 
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rockaction said:
Yeah, that first question is a serious one. I think we live in an age of doubt that has permeated everything. I think the art is part and parcel of a lack of belief in concreteness. I don't want to get too full of it, but I think that the death of God, as we knew or conceived of God, has a lot to do with our current artistic and spiritual malaise, and we're really feeling that now in America. This past generation is the first to really lose religion, as it were, and I think a whole host of things wind up going along with that.
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I blame it on Auto-Tune.

And Meat Loaf.

 
rockaction said:
I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really.
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I know it wasn't your intent, but each of your first three sentences above made me literally laugh out loud. Bolded the things that tickled me a little.  I'm in a great mood and finding humor everywhere so no offense. Not laughing at you or even with you. Just finding humor in your particular way of sharing this path. This path I landed on during my divorce many years ago. I became so sick of the lonely angry griping I turned to instrumentals for years post divorce. No song writer could tell a more difficult love story than mine and i just needed them to all #### (banned acronym for shut up). haha

 
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Chaos Commish said:
I know it wasn't your intent, but each of your first three sentences above made me literally laugh out loud. I'm in a great mood and finding humor everywhere so no offense. Not laughing at you or even with you. Just finding humor in your particular way of sharing this path. This path I landed on during my divorce many years ago. I became so sick of the lonely angry griping I turned to instrumentals for years post divorce. No song writer could tell a more difficult love story than mine and i just needed to all #### (shut up). haha
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I take no offense, Chaos. At all. If what I said made you laugh for the imperfect way in which I shared and yet you paused in remembrance of something deeply felt, I'm happy and have served a purpose that I can feel grateful for. It's actually really cool that you told me that. Thanks, Chaos. Bless you for telling me that, mang. I'm also in a pretty good mood, though it may not seem that way. I'm not manic, just sort of thinking and wondering what I'm doing, really. Heh. Salud!

 
rockaction said:
I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really. Should I listen to all these gripey, angry, angsty folks? Do I need to be on their bad trip? Do I want to be? I realize everything isn't wine and roses, but can't we have some bread, at least?

Once pop music stopped being about banging sixteen year-olds, what did it really have left besides the gripey?

Not sure.

Someone come lift me out of this malaise. It's bringing me down.
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Start watching Disco Biscuits shows.  Thank me later.  There is just so much there.  The replay of tonight's show just started if anyone wants to check it out 

 
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Speaking of auto-tune. My daughter loves these drafts but our tastes have separated over the years, as she gets older. I had two 20s (more really) in my quiver from the start, but I wanted to hear what she had. Of course, she could list many, but she didn't because there is ONE HUGE MAJOR must for her (08 and 21). I was excited to play it.

Well, it sucked. So I explained why. The lame lyrics, the awkward theme, the lack of musicianship and poorly developed hip hop beats. THE RELENTLESS UNNECESSARY AUTO TUNE.  They have fine voices without it, and some auto-tune is kinda cool to me. She agreed to disagree, called me an old white fogey. lol

Somewhere in this draft a drafter (sorry forget whom) expressed how cool it is to enjoy the same music as his 14 year old. Yeah, when mine was 14 it was the same. Good times. I hope his doesn't fall into the pop culture mainstream the way mine did. Good luck with that.

 
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