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[davearm]

That backfield is great for the team, terrible for fantasy - and this season like you said there's yet another mouth to feed. It will be Mostert one week, Coleman the next - with McKinnon taking passing game snaps from both.

Nah.  Breida out, McKinnon in.

So is McKinnon a bigger threat for touches than Breida?  Who knows.  We haven't seen anything out of McKinnon for two seasons.

 

[Anarchy99]

All excellent info. I’m a little surprised by the Washington love - as I’d understood from a beat writer a few weeks ago, Washington was on the bubble for the final roster (which surprised the heck out of me, because Dionte was dealing with an injury at the time) - maybe it was motivational.

Honestly if I got those numbers from JuJu I’d be psyched. 

If he’s that + 10%, even more-so. 

I would never tell anyone to draft or not draft a player, but if I were analyzing JuJu, there is enough about the situation to cause me not to question drafting him. His ADP is currently WR10. However, as we already discussed,

- People are looking at what he did WITH Brown drawing coverage (166 targets! 111-1426-7).
- Folks are ignoring that was in a season when Ben threw 675 passes and that total could easily be 10-20% lower.
- Ben is 38, oft-injured, out of shape, and coming off elbow surgery. We saw what happened when he wasn't in the lineup last season.
- The defense should be strong and the running game much better than last year . . . so there should be less incentive to just air the ball out all game.
- They added a TE that should be featured more than the guys they had last year.

So my concern for drafting JuJu is he will cost you a dollar but may only give you a return of 80-90 cents. The yearend WR10 typically is in the 80-1200-8 range. He might be around that for total receptions, but I think he falls a little short in the other two categories. Even though he had a season already better than that, I don't think his upside is as high as that season for all the reasons I just mentioned.

That being said, he'll probably go out and put up 7-140-2 against the Giants this week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would never tell anyone to draft or not draft a player, but if I were analyzing JuJu, there is enough about the situation to cause me not to question drafting him. His ADP is currently WR10. However, as we already discussed,

- People are looking at what he did WITH Brown drawing coverage (166 targets! 111-1426-7).
- Folks are ignoring that was in a season when Ben threw 675 passes and that total could easily be 10-20% lower.
- Ben is 38, oft-injured, out of shape, and coming off elbow surgery. We saw what happened when he wasn't in the lineup last season.
- The defense should be strong and the running game much better than last year . . . so there should be less incentive to just air the ball out all game.
- They added a TE that should be featured more than the guys they had last year.

So my concern for drafting JuJu is he will cost you a dollar but may only give you a return of 80-90 cents. The yearend WR10 typically is in the 80-1200-8 range. He might be around that for total receptions, but I think he falls a little short in the other two categories. Even though he had a season already better than that, I don't think his upside is as high as that season for all the reasons I just mentioned.

That being said, he'll probably go out and put up 7-140-2 against the Giants this week.

Yeah; I mean - there’s a chance he’ll cost me a dollar and return $1.10

i get the red flags. That’s why he’s a 3rd rounder and not a 1st or 2nd rounder, right? 

Roethlisberger is reportedly in his best shape in years. And as mentioned, pain free for the first time in a decade. He put up those 2018 numbers wincing with every throw, according to Ben. He said it’s weird to throw without pain, as he became so acclimated to it.

for every gray cloud maybe there’s a silver lining. I liked his price. Some didn’t.  Risk/reward. Golladay went a pick before him in my IDP, and had that not happened I’d have a guy with a bum hammy right now. At least JuJu is gonna start this weekend in a very tasty matchup. That’s a win right there.  

 

[davearm]

I would never tell anyone to draft or not draft a player, but if I were analyzing JuJu, there is enough about the situation to cause me not to question drafting him. His ADP is currently WR10. However, as we already discussed,

- People are looking at what he did WITH Brown drawing coverage (166 targets! 111-1426-7).
- Folks are ignoring that was in a season when Ben threw 675 passes and that total could easily be 10-20% lower.
- Ben is 38, oft-injured, out of shape, and coming off elbow surgery. We saw what happened when he wasn't in the lineup last season.
- The defense should be strong and the running game much better than last year . . . so there should be less incentive to just air the ball out all game.
- They added a TE that should be featured more than the guys they had last year.

So my concern for drafting JuJu is he will cost you a dollar but may only give you a return of 80-90 cents. The yearend WR10 typically is in the 80-1200-8 range. He might be around that for total receptions, but I think he falls a little short in the other two categories. Even though he had a season already better than that, I don't think his upside is as high as that season for all the reasons I just mentioned.

That being said, he'll probably go out and put up 7-140-2 against the Giants this week.

Dionte Johnson seems like a much smarter investment at his (much lower) ADP.

A lot of folks seem to think these two guys' numbers might might end up pretty close.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FWIW, Dionte Johnson missed practice with a foot injury.  Sometimes the best ability is availability. 

Steelers WR Diontae Johnson (foot) missed practice Thursday. 

Johnson, coming off an electric rookie campaign, missed five days of practice in late August with a leg injury of some sort. He has an extra day to get right this week, as the Steelers play the Giants on Monday night. If there's no clarity about Johnson's Monday night availability by Sunday morning, fantasy managers would do well to roll with another receiver or flex play for Week 1. WR James Washington would likely see a boost in snaps and routes if Johnson were to sit against the Giants. 

 

[seahawk 17]

Did he get traded to Kansas City? 

Are you changing your name to funny guy. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Are you changing your name to funny guy. 

I mean, it was pretty funny.  

 

[Anarchy99]

Dionte Johnson seems like a much smarter investment at his (much lower) ADP.

A lot of folks seem to think these two guys' numbers might might end up pretty close.

In general, it is often times a better strategy to draft the second guy later even if the first guy might have slightly better projected numbers. As a for instance, Golladay is getting drafted as the WR7. Marvin Jones has an ADP of WR36. Through 12 weeks last season, Jones ranked as the WR14 while Golladay ranked as WR16. Jones got hurt and Golladay took over Jones' production. IMO, Jones is FAR more attractive as WR36 than Golladay is at WR7.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In general, it is often times a better strategy to draft the second guy later even if the first guy might have slightly better projected numbers. As a for instance, Golladay is getting drafted as the WR7. Marvin Jones has an ADP of WR36. Through 12 weeks last season, Jones ranked as the WR14 while Golladay ranked as WR16. Jones got hurt and Golladay took over Jones' production. IMO, Jones is FAR more attractive as WR36 than Golladay is at WR7.

Didn’t work out quite as well for JJ Stokes with Rice, but in general I agree with the point. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Yeah; I mean - there’s a chance he’ll cost me a dollar and return $1.10

i get the red flags. That’s why he’s a 3rd rounder and not a 1st or 2nd rounder, right? 

Roethlisberger is reportedly in his best shape in years. And as mentioned, pain free for the first time in a decade. He put up those 2018 numbers wincing with every throw, according to Ben. He said it’s weird to throw without pain, as he became so acclimated to it.

for every gray cloud maybe there’s a silver lining. I liked his price. Some didn’t.  Risk/reward. Golladay went a pick before him in my IDP, and had that not happened I’d have a guy with a bum hammy right now. At least JuJu is gonna start this weekend in a very tasty matchup. That’s a win right there.  

If there is one thing I have learned over the years is not to believe the media hype or coach speak about a player in the off season. Every player is in the best shape of his life. Ben in the best shape of his life is Will Ferrell. I tend to give more credence to comments from PLAYERS about teammates. I mentioned McKinnon, and I remember seeing comments from defenders saying he was so fast they couldn't catch up to him. That means way more to me than a reporter stroking a player's ego or having an agenda to try to influence people on who that reporter would prefer to be playing.

I've seen that a lot this offseason in NE. Most of the media don't like Sony Michel, so they have been beating the Damien Harris angle to death that he is superhuman and needs to start. BB doesn't care what they think and so far has been content to roll with Michel. Maybe that will change this year, but the hype on Harris has been on hyperdrive.

 

[seahawk 17]

I mean, it was pretty funny.  

RW never winning an MVP is an atrocity. You remove him and Seattle isn't even a .500 team. He just might have several weapons this year and has pleaded with the coaches to turn him loose. #MVP

I planted my flag!

 

[davearm]

In general, it is often times a better strategy to draft the second guy later even if the first guy might have slightly better projected numbers. As a for instance, Golladay is getting drafted as the WR7. Marvin Jones has an ADP of WR36. Through 12 weeks last season, Jones ranked as the WR14 while Golladay ranked as WR16. Jones got hurt and Golladay took over Jones' production. IMO, Jones is FAR more attractive as WR36 than Golladay is at WR7.

Agreed on the DET guys.

Cooper/Gallup/Lamb could finish in any order, and it wouldn't surprise me.  Maybe I've had too much Lamb Kool-aid though.

There are others... Sanders (NO), Kirk (AZ) etc.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

RW never winning an MVP is an atrocity. You remove him and Seattle isn't even a .500 team. He just might have several weapons this year and has pleaded with the coaches to turn him loose. #MVP

I planted my flag!

It’s a good flag indeed.
 

FWIW I agree with the bolded. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Didn’t work out quite as well for JJ Stokes with Rice, but in general I agree with the point. 

I don't remember Stokes ever being considered in the same class as Rice or Owens. I meant guys on the same team generally similar enough that their numbers were pretty close. Stokes never was close to Rice or Owens production wise.

 

[Milkman]

Barring injury DJ Chark will be a top 6 WR. Putting up 85-1200-10. 

Diontae Johnson will slowly become the Steelers #1 WR. Both JuJu and Diontae will have great seasons. 80-1150-9 for Diontae Johnson. 

@Hot Sauce Guy

See Diontae Johnson already hurt. Like I'm wrong with my prediction an hour after I made it.  Lmao!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't remember Stokes ever being considered in the same class as Rice or Owens. I meant guys on the same team generally similar enough that their numbers were pretty close. Stokes never was close to Rice or Owens production wise.

That was a little joke. Rice is the GOAT. No one is in his class. Owens was close to the GOAT. Very few in his class as well. 

I agreed with your point. I was a Marvin Jones owner last year. He was amazing for his price tag. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

FWIW, Dionte Johnson missed practice with a foot injury.  Sometimes the best ability is availability. 

Dude.

 

[Anarchy99]

@Hot Sauce Guy

See Diontae Johnson already hurt. Like I'm wrong with my prediction an hour after I made it.  Lmao!

You did say slowly . . .

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@Hot Sauce Guy

See Diontae Johnson already hurt. Like I'm wrong with my prediction an hour after I made it.  Lmao!

I feel this. It’s like a superpower to be this good at being wrong, I tell ya. I’m right there with you on half the comments in this topic - the news just hasn’t broke yet    

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dude.

It’s breaking news. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Here's all you need to know Joe... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

I think they were talking about practice.

 

[Anarchy99]

It’s breaking news. 

Like with Brown in the lineup, the question would become if Diontae were to miss serious time if that would actually help or hurt JuJu. He would likely see a lot more targets but would definitely draw a lot more coverage. Certainly no way to prove or disprove an opinion either way.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Like with Brown in the lineup, the question would become if Diontae were to miss serious time if that would actually help or hurt JuJu. He would likely see a lot more targets but would definitely draw a lot more coverage. Certainly no way to prove or disprove an opinion either way.

Yeah, I’m not at all happy about the news, just thought it might change some folks projections of Dionte since he’s battled calf issues in camp and now has a foot injury ahead of a MN start.  Seemed relevant. 

i think it would hurt JJSS since Washington isn’t going to command anywhere near that much attention. 

 

[Milkman]

I want a redo!

 

[Milkman]

Yeah, I’m not at all happy about the news, just thought it might change some folks projections of Dionte since he’s battled hammy issues in camp and now has a foot injury ahead of a MN start.  Seemed relevant. 

i think it would hurt JJSS since Washington isn’t going to command anywhere near that much attention. 

It was a calf injury earlier but same thing. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I want a redo!

Same buddy. Same. I’ve got so many red crosses I feel like I need to put out a donation bucket in front of my house. 

And there hasn’t even been a game yet.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It was a calf injury earlier but same thing. 

Ah - yeah, my bad. Fixed. 

 

[Milkman]

Same buddy. Same. I’ve got so many red crosses I feel like I need to put out a donation bucket in front of my house. 

And there hasn’t even been a game yet.  

3 years of this crap lol. When it stops and I have that magical season (2033?) and it'll be so satisfying. 

 

[Biabreakable]

I think Teddy Bridgewater throws for over 4000 yards this season.

 

[spodog]

Drew Brees plays 16 games.    Back over 4500 yards and flirting with 40 TD's by end of season.     He and Saints beat Brady in both New Orleans and Tampa.   

Half way home on this part.    

 

[AndrewClark]

Kyler Murray for MVP, Arizona Cardinals for Super Bowl Contenders. 

Not a fan of any team but I feel pretty strong about this. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think Teddy Bridgewater throws for over 4000 yards this season.

 

He still has a weapon or two but he's gonna need a ton of YAC IMO. I think this week will be a good indicator bc TB did a pretty good job of containing CMC last year in both contests.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Half way home on this part.    

You should send Brady a fruit basket if he throws a pick-6 in the home game.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kyler Murray for MVP, Arizona Cardinals for Super Bowl Contenders. 

Not a fan of any team but I feel pretty strong about this. 

I dunno....their defense didn't look great against a completely depleted Niners receiving corps. I do like the AZ offense. They'll be in some shootouts. Nuk looked great. Everyone and their brother told me moving to AZ was a downgrade from HOU, but I don't remember many 14 reception games in TX. I couldn't get anything worth considering for him in Dynasty in the off-season, now alla sudden the offers are rolling in. Go figure.   

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As for my call, Jacobs wins the rushing title -- surpasses 1300 yards and 10 TDs.

30% there already GB. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

JuJu Smith-Schuster has a 2020 like folks expected his 2019 to be.

Contract year, worked with a trainer all off-season, Roethlisberger potential to throw for 5K, Dionte drawing coverage on the other side, and a 3rd round ADP.

JuJu will be a top 3 WR and I’m here for that. 

Good start to this one too.  

 

[BobbyLayne]

I dunno....their defense didn't look great against a completely depleted Niners receiving corps.

Interesting take. They didn't get any turnovers (interception wiped out by penalty) but 3 sacks and I thought they were pretty effective. 2-13 on 3rd and 4th down. Blocked punt was huge.

 

[spodog]

You should send Brady a fruit basket if he throws a pick-6 in the home game.  

or a basket of Hot Sauce. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Interesting take. They didn't get any turnovers (interception wiped out by penalty) but 3 sacks and I thought they were pretty effective. 2-13 on 3rd and 4th down. Blocked punt was huge.

The special teams play was indeed huge.  The sacks appeared to be coverage sacks, which is unsurprising when they only have to cover Trent Taylor & Dante Pettis.

Before Kittle went down, the Niners were moving the ball pretty easily throwing primarily to the RB and Kittle. 

To be fair, we'll probably have to say "TBD" until we see them face a better passing game.  

 

[AndrewClark]

I dunno....their defense didn't look great against a completely depleted Niners receiving corps. I do like the AZ offense. They'll be in some shootouts. Nuk looked great. Everyone and their brother told me moving to AZ was a downgrade from HOU, but I don't remember many 14 reception games in TX. I couldn't get anything worth considering for him in Dynasty in the off-season, now alla sudden the offers are rolling in. Go figure.   

I think you're onto something w the offense. I guess for fantasy purposes, I mean I truly think Kyler goes into next season as a top 3 qb pick. DeAndre is a hoover. He makes a world of difference. 

I'm high on the cards from a gambling perspective, they were my best bet for week 1. I think they surprise a lot of people w a deep playoff run.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm high on the cards from a gambling perspective, they were my best bet for week 1. I think they surprise a lot of people w a deep playoff run.

Brutal division with the Seahawks, Niners and now the Rams looking really good. Gonna be tough to get to the playoffs with 5 more games against those teams. Niners should have Debo & Ayiuk back by the rematch, too so not exactly one you can circle on the calendar as a W. 

they'll be fun to watch though, I agree. Hard to call them a playoff team just yet. It's 1 game, and it was a lot closer than arguably it should have been considering the Niners skeleton crew. 

 

[fightingillini]

James Conner is the comeback player of the year, and provides 1st round value at a 3rd round price.  1600 all purpose yards, 50 receptions and 12 TDs.  

Oops. 

Well, Conner has 1583 yards, 48 receptions, and 12 TDs to go, and 15 games to do it 

 

[Biabreakable]

 

He still has a weapon or two but he's gonna need a ton of YAC IMO. I think this week will be a good indicator bc TB did a pretty good job of containing CMC last year in both contests.

I wasnt sure if 4000 yards was bold enough or not. Teddys best season so far was 3200 passing yards the last time he played 16 games. The Vikings were hoping Charles Johnson might be a WR at that point though. Diggs and Thielen had not emerged yet.

I think he has the weapons to do it and I hope he stays healthy all year. That is actually my bigger concern is the Panthers Oline. Their weapons are great. CMC adds a lot of yards that most other QB cannot match.

270 yards passing for the first game. He is on pace for 4320 yards right now.

 

[LoneWolf]

Thoughts from a Carolina Panthers homer:

-- CMac disappoints.

-- Bridgewater and Anderson provide good value as steaming options.

-- Carolina wins Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes and drafts him #1. (Note: not saying Carolina finishes with worst record, but trades into #1 pick)

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's still early but clearly I was wrong in not giving Cam Newton and Patriots enough credit. He looks as good or better than I've ever seen him. His mechanics look great and he's making the most out of not having weapons. Belichick and Staff continue to be unbelievable fielding a team of next men up. I wasn't totally sold after Miami but am completely sold after Seattle. 

 

[LawFitz]

Fournette = 2020 version of prime NE Leg Blount

Daverek Carr finishes as a top 10 fantasy QB 

Darren Waller finishes as the #1 fantasy TE (in PPG, to account for injuries/covid)

Dak Prescott - 35+ passing TDs

LAC = bust city

Kareem Hunt is a top 10 fantasy RB during weeks 15+16

Preston Williams - 10+ TDs

Jerry's Jeudy - 80+ catches

Baltimore defeats Oakland Las Vegas in AFC title game, after Raiders upset Chiefs in divisional round

Interdasting

 

[H8fulHuck]

The Cowboys will be the best offense in the league by a wide margin.  Somewhere in the 60TD range. 

Emmanual Sanders is a WR1 - 1200 yards, 8 tds

If Dak didn’t get injured, you might have nailed both. Oprah D would have kept the offense full throttle all season. Great call!

 

[VikingFrog]

If Dak didn’t get injured, you might have nailed both. Oprah D would have kept the offense full throttle all season. Great call!

Why’s it called Oprah D?

Because YOU GET A TD! AND YOU GET A TD! AND YOU GET A TD! AND YOU GET A TD!!!! ????

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Feeling pretty good about my Manny Sanders PPR WR2 call. Forget if that was in this topic or another predictions topic. 

my JJSS prediction is lagging a bit. He needs to step it up significantly. I may have to write him a sternly worded letter of complaint registering my displeasure soon. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Feeling pretty good about my Manny Sanders PPR WR2 call. Forget if that was in this topic or another predictions topic. 

I wouldn't be so sure about that. He's currently ranked WR23 in PPR league. Michael Thomas has only 3 catches for 17 yards after 5 games. I am guessing that Thomas coming back will cut into targets that Sanders has been getting.