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Pope Francis 12.17.36 - 4.21.25 (1 Viewer)

'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
'timschochet said:
'NCCommish said:
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'CrossEyed said:
I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.
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Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?
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It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.
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OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?
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I don't think it means so much that as that he is calling on the Church to put Jesus's example(and presumably His ministry) first. From what I've read of the speech, he seems to be suggesting that people within the Church have striven to preserve and grow the Church for its own sake. Some unscrupulously to preserve their power perhaps. Some to achieve ends of social justice. The speech suggests that both of those ends are empty ("like sandcastles") when divorced from the primary purpose of the Church. Spreading Christ's message.Obviously not my thing, but it seemed a sensible thing for a Pope to say to his audience.
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YES. And although I realize it takes sensitivity to nuance to see this, but this is a very clear challenge to the clergy in particular. Very challenging.
 
Pope Francis Tells Reporters: ‘Another Two Or Three Years, And God Will Take Me’Pope Francis made a shocking revelation on Monday, as reported by Newsmax, claiming that he only has “two or three years” to live.

The 77-year-old Pontiff apparently shared the shocking news with reporters during his flight back from South Korea and seemed to be in good spirits about the whole thing. When he was asked about the global popularity he enjoys he responded:

I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I’ll be off to the Father’s House.

The Pope added that he was able to handle the popularity “more naturally” these days even though it was tough at first.

And, even though this is the first time the Pope has spoken out publicly about his apparently ailing health, Vatican officials have said that the Pope had mentioned to them before that he thinks he only has a few years left to live.

The Argentinian Pope also mentioned that he might retire from the Papacy if he feels he can no longer serve the church properly due to his health. As he said to reporters, he would retire: “even if it does not appeal to some theologians.”

Pope Francis didn’t reveal what life-threatening ailment he was suffering from, just that he had: “some nerve problems. Must treat them well, these nerves, give them mate (an Argentine stimulant tea) every day.”

He commented that he feels his nerves are on edge due to the fact he doesn’t vacation regularly: “One of these neuroses, is that I’m too much of a homebody,” he said.

Earlier this year Pope Francis sparked controversy when on a visit to Israel he stopped to pray at a disputed area of land between Jerusalem and Bethlehem which had spray painted on it: “Pope we need to see someone to speak about justice. Bethlehem look like Warsaw ghetto. Free Palestine.”

The Pope’s Papacy has been marked by his “zero-tolerance” policy toward sex abuse in the Catholic Church and his urging of the Vatican to embrace the poor.

 
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
He was joking. Everyone but Newsmax seems to understand that.
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Well except for the fact that all Newsmax did is run a story from the AFP global news agency.
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This AFP story?

Pope Francis mentions early retirement, jokes he has ‘two or three years’ left
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“I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I’ll be off to the Father’s House,” he replied light-heartedly.
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NCCommish said:
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
He was joking. Everyone but Newsmax seems to understand that.
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Well except for the fact that all Newsmax did is run a story from the AFP global news agency.
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This AFP story?

Pope Francis mentions early retirement, jokes he has ‘two or three years’ left
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“I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I’ll be off to the Father’s House,” he replied light-heartedly.
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Not sure where ya getting the first part from as it's not in the AFP story (word search for joke only pops up once in their story. Go ahead, go to the Yahoo link with the AFP story and try it out. I'll wait here.) However the second part you quoted is on the newsmax version as well. You know, because it's the AFP version.

 
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
He was joking. Everyone but Newsmax seems to understand that.
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Well except for the fact that all Newsmax did is run a story from the AFP global news agency.
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This AFP story?

Pope Francis mentions early retirement, jokes he has ‘two or three years’ left
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“I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I’ll be off to the Father’s House,” he replied light-heartedly.
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Not sure where ya getting the first part from as it's not in the AFP story (word search for joke only pops up once in their story. Go ahead, go to the Yahoo link with the AFP story and try it out. I'll wait here.) However the second part you quoted is on the newsmax version as well. You know, because it's the AFP version.
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And yet what did their headline say? That's what I was commenting on.

 
NCCommish said:
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
Rayderr said:
NCCommish said:
He was joking. Everyone but Newsmax seems to understand that.
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Well except for the fact that all Newsmax did is run a story from the AFP global news agency.
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This AFP story?

Pope Francis mentions early retirement, jokes he has ‘two or three years’ left
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“I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I’ll be off to the Father’s House,” he replied light-heartedly.
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Not sure where ya getting the first part from as it's not in the AFP story (word search for joke only pops up once in their story. Go ahead, go to the Yahoo link with the AFP story and try it out. I'll wait here.) However the second part you quoted is on the newsmax version as well. You know, because it's the AFP version.
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And yet what did their headline say? That's what I was commenting on.
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AFP article on yahoo:God will give me two or three more years, says Pope

AFP article on Newsmax: Pope Francis: God Will Give Me Two or Three More Years

Give it up man. Inquisitr duped ya into thinking that it was Newsmax that wrote the story. It wasn't It was AFP. Several other news outlets ran the exact same story. I know ya like bashing right wing media sites like Newsmax, but in this case, you got nothing to bash them for.


 
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Mister CIA said:
Buck Bradcanon said:
Anyone follow @Pontifex on teh Twitter? The @ replies when "he" tweets something out destroy me. Internet gonna Internet.
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Not me.
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I do, but not religiously (see what I did there?).I will check it every once in a while and then retweet a few select entries for the Facebook friends.

B-XVI started the feed. It's too bad it wasn't around for JP-II's time.

A lot of people hung up on what they think the Church is all about would gain a little perspective by checking out that feed imo.

 
From USA Today... Big Bang and Evolution not inconsistent with creation. Love this guy.

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.

The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius' statement.

Some wondered if Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI wanted to change that when he and some acolytes seemed to endorse the theory of intelligent design, the idea that the world is too complex to have evolved according to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, a close associate of Benedict, penned a widely noticed 2005 op-ed in The New York Times that said "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense — an unguided, unplanned process … is not."

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics, welcomed Francis' comments, saying he had buried the "pseudo theories" of creationists.

"The pope's statement is significant," Bignami told Italian news agency Adnkronos. "We are the direct descendants from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation."

Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan's University degli Studi, said he believed Francis was "trying to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes" with science.

Francis made his speech while unveiling a bust in honor of Benedict, his predecessor, at the Vatican.

"Benedict XVI was a great pope: great for the power and penetration of his intellect, great for his significant contribution to theology, great for his love of the church and of human beings, great for his virtue and piety," he said.
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El Floppo said:
From USA Today... Big Bang and Evolution not inconsistent with creation. Love this guy.

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.

The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius' statement.

Some wondered if Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI wanted to change that when he and some acolytes seemed to endorse the theory of intelligent design, the idea that the world is too complex to have evolved according to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, a close associate of Benedict, penned a widely noticed 2005 op-ed in The New York Times that said "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense — an unguided, unplanned process … is not."

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics, welcomed Francis' comments, saying he had buried the "pseudo theories" of creationists.

"The pope's statement is significant," Bignami told Italian news agency Adnkronos. "We are the direct descendants from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation."

Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan's University degli Studi, said he believed Francis was "trying to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes" with science.

Francis made his speech while unveiling a bust in honor of Benedict, his predecessor, at the Vatican.

"Benedict XVI was a great pope: great for the power and penetration of his intellect, great for his significant contribution to theology, great for his love of the church and of human beings, great for his virtue and piety," he said.
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This is common sense.

 
"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."
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:jawdrop:

 
meatwad1 said:
El Floppo said:
From USA Today... Big Bang and Evolution not inconsistent with creation. Love this guy.

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.

The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius' statement.

Some wondered if Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI wanted to change that when he and some acolytes seemed to endorse the theory of intelligent design, the idea that the world is too complex to have evolved according to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, a close associate of Benedict, penned a widely noticed 2005 op-ed in The New York Times that said "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense — an unguided, unplanned process … is not."

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics, welcomed Francis' comments, saying he had buried the "pseudo theories" of creationists.

"The pope's statement is significant," Bignami told Italian news agency Adnkronos. "We are the direct descendants from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation."

Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan's University degli Studi, said he believed Francis was "trying to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes" with science.

Francis made his speech while unveiling a bust in honor of Benedict, his predecessor, at the Vatican.

"Benedict XVI was a great pope: great for the power and penetration of his intellect, great for his significant contribution to theology, great for his love of the church and of human beings, great for his virtue and piety," he said.
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This is common sense.
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http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/10/controversial_creationism_conf.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+michigan-news+(Michigan+News%2C+Updates%2C+Photos%2C+Videos+and+Opinions+-+MLive.com)Tell these guys

 
El Floppo said:
From USA Today... Big Bang and Evolution not inconsistent with creation. Love this guy.

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.

The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius' statement.

Some wondered if Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI wanted to change that when he and some acolytes seemed to endorse the theory of intelligent design, the idea that the world is too complex to have evolved according to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, a close associate of Benedict, penned a widely noticed 2005 op-ed in The New York Times that said "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense — an unguided, unplanned process … is not."

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics, welcomed Francis' comments, saying he had buried the "pseudo theories" of creationists.

"The pope's statement is significant," Bignami told Italian news agency Adnkronos. "We are the direct descendants from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation."

Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan's University degli Studi, said he believed Francis was "trying to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes" with science.

Francis made his speech while unveiling a bust in honor of Benedict, his predecessor, at the Vatican.

"Benedict XVI was a great pope: great for the power and penetration of his intellect, great for his significant contribution to theology, great for his love of the church and of human beings, great for his virtue and piety," he said.
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NO WAY!!!!1!11111!!!1!!
 
joffer said:
meatwad1 said:
El Floppo said:
From USA Today... Big Bang and Evolution not inconsistent with creation. Love this guy.

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.

The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius' statement.

Some wondered if Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI wanted to change that when he and some acolytes seemed to endorse the theory of intelligent design, the idea that the world is too complex to have evolved according to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, a close associate of Benedict, penned a widely noticed 2005 op-ed in The New York Times that said "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense — an unguided, unplanned process … is not."

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics, welcomed Francis' comments, saying he had buried the "pseudo theories" of creationists.

"The pope's statement is significant," Bignami told Italian news agency Adnkronos. "We are the direct descendants from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation."

Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan's University degli Studi, said he believed Francis was "trying to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes" with science.

Francis made his speech while unveiling a bust in honor of Benedict, his predecessor, at the Vatican.

"Benedict XVI was a great pope: great for the power and penetration of his intellect, great for his significant contribution to theology, great for his love of the church and of human beings, great for his virtue and piety," he said.
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This is common sense.
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http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/10/controversial_creationism_conf.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+michigan-news+(Michigan+News%2C+Updates%2C+Photos%2C+Videos+and+Opinions+-+MLive.com)Tell these guys
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Those guys almost certainly aren't Catholic.

 
I have learned since posting the above (and Pav's !!11!!!s) that the Catholic Church has supported this viewpoint for a long time (50s?).

Carry on.

 
Wait...you're telling me that the Catholic church does not believe in evolution? Can you wait while I pull out my shocked face?

 
(BERLIN, Germany) The popes comment that Catholics dont have to breed like rabbits has caused offense among Germanys rabbit breeders.

Pope Francis said Monday that Catholics should instead practice responsible parenting and use Church-approved forms of birth control.

But Erwin Leowsky, president of the central council of German rabbit breeders, told news agency dpa on Tuesday that only rabbits which live in the wild are sexually overactive.

He said those in captivity have tamer reproductive habits.

Leowsky says he feels the pope should allow Catholics to use contraception rather than resorting to misleading cliches about rabbits.

http://time.com/3675923/german-rabbit-breeders-criticize-popes-sex-comments/

 
joffer said:
(BERLIN, Germany) The popes comment that Catholics dont have to breed like rabbits has caused offense among Germanys rabbit breeders.

Pope Francis said Monday that Catholics should instead practice responsible parenting and use Church-approved forms of birth control.

But Erwin Leowsky, president of the central council of German rabbit breeders, told news agency dpa on Tuesday that only rabbits which live in the wild are sexually overactive.

He said those in captivity have tamer reproductive habits.

Leowsky says he feels the pope should allow Catholics to use contraception rather than resorting to misleading cliches about rabbits.

http://time.com/3675923/german-rabbit-breeders-criticize-popes-sex-comments/
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So is the message here that catholics should be held in captivity?

 
Pope is coming, and ZOMG HES GONNA TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!,,111

Republican reaction so far has been :lmao:

 
I live 2+ hours from Philadelphia, and there all sorts of traffic warnings in my area telling me how bad it will be in the Philly area this weekend.

 
I work with people in DC. They are all working at home the rest of the week and I get to stay home this week rather than fly to DC. Win/win.

 
Jaysus said:
I live 2+ hours from Philadelphia, and there all sorts of traffic warnings in my area telling me how bad it will be in the Philly area this weekend.
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My son goes to college in Philly (University City). His college is closed Friday-Sunday and the kids were encouraged to go home. We have to try and get him back sometime Sunday. Going to be a nightmare. It usually only takes us 45 minutes to get him there. I'm expecting 2-3 hours on Sunday.

 
Meet the new boss  , same as the old boss. After initial enthusiasm for Pope Francis I've been disappointed with his meddling with US politics and now this . SMH 

Pope’s clemency for pedophile priests under scrutiny following latest scandal

Pope Francis’ unshakeable belief in the power of mercy has been called into question after a previously-convicted pedophile priest struck again, around two years after the Pontiff reduced sanctions against child-abusing clergy, according to a report by AP.

The case of Rev. Mauro Inzoli, an Italian priest who received church clemency but was later convicted for abusing children, has turned the spotlight back on the sins of the Catholic Church. The report has revealed that Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him.

READ MORE: Catholic Church paid $213mn to sex abuse victims in Australia since 1980

Inzoli was found guilty of abusing young boys by a 2012 Vatican investigation and was ordered to be defrocked.

He appealed his punishment and, in 2014, Pope Francis overruled the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and granted clemency, reducing the priest’s penalty to a lifetime of prayer.

He was also prohibited from celebrating Mass in public or being near children, was banished from his diocese and ordered to undergo five years of psychotherapy.

However, in June 2016, Inzoli was convicted by an Italian criminal court of sexually abusing five children between the ages of 12 and 16 and was sentenced to four years, nine months in prison.   

READ MORE: ‘Unacceptable for a Christian’: Italian ‘orgy & pimping’ priest faces defrocking

Greg Burke, the Vatican spokesman, has defended Pope Francis’ proclivity towards mercy in such cases, stating that "even those who are guilty of heinous crimes," can expect clemency from the Holy Father, according to AP.

"The Holy Father understands that many victims and survivors can find any sign of mercy in this area difficult," Burke added.

Canon lawyers and church officials argue that keeping abusive priests under the authority of the church is the best way to protect children.

In sharp contrast, Pope Benedict XVI launched a major campaign to stamp out pedophilia in the Catholic church during his brief tenure as Pope between 2005 and 2013. At least 400 priests found guilty of sex crimes against children were defrocked.
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