ShaHBucks
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He was playing with the 2's and did that in a quarter and a half. He was literally hitting everyone that passed the los. I'm sure he has the coaches attention. I guess it's a wait and see if he plays his way onto the field.
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Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)
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D'OHtis
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If everything broke right for Taylor (Mendenhall/Alphonso Smith injured & R.Williams cut), his upside for 2013 is a lot closer to Vick Ballard than Alfred Morris. (I really don't think anyone thinks he'll put up those #s and simply pointing out comparable pre-draft measurables)
Alphonso Smith (like last night) has been running ahead of Taylor in camp . Both however have received 1st team snaps with Mendenhall limited so it's not one is running away from the other.. (And it's not set in stone where Ryan Williams stands at this moment -- even if I'd lean towards cut if he's not playing in game #2)
I wouldn't chase after any Cardinals RB for several reasons (including talent & oppositions in division). It would be mildly surprising to me to see the Card starting back hit the 4.0 ypc mark. The pass blocking has been noticeably better in camp than the run. Even when their are holes on the rare occasion, their haven't been runs I've seen by any back that really jump out. All the Cards backs are guys that'll get what's blocked and little more than that.
Alphonso Smith (like last night) has been running ahead of Taylor in camp . Both however have received 1st team snaps with Mendenhall limited so it's not one is running away from the other.. (And it's not set in stone where Ryan Williams stands at this moment -- even if I'd lean towards cut if he's not playing in game #2)
I wouldn't chase after any Cardinals RB for several reasons (including talent & oppositions in division). It would be mildly surprising to me to see the Card starting back hit the 4.0 ypc mark. The pass blocking has been noticeably better in camp than the run. Even when their are holes on the rare occasion, their haven't been runs I've seen by any back that really jump out. All the Cards backs are guys that'll get what's blocked and little more than that.
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Amused to Death
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Chip Kelly on his plan for the first preseason game:Kenny Powers said:
Q. Will Mike and Nick alternate series?
COACH KELLY: Yeah, sometimes something bad happens and a guy gets two snaps because there was a turnover or something that happened that wasn't their fault. So we'll try to balance them as much as we can. Sometimes that doesn't always work the way you want it. Ideally, in the ideal world, we'll split the number of snaps, but we'll do it by series.
Q. Just to be clear, you said Mike's starting because it's his day?
COACH KELLY: It's his day in the rotation. So Nick started today. We've just been rolling those guys whoever goes with it. The easiest thing for us was Mike was up in the rotation. But we'll make sure the rotation fits next week when we come back, so when we play game two, Nick will be up and he'll start in the second game.
Q. Are you a believer in rhythm at all? Do you think a quarterback has to get into a rhythm?
COACH KELLY: You're going to get your snaps and you're going to make plays. So if at the end of the day you say I didn't get a chance to get into rhythm and the other guy did, then you're in there, you go. If you're worried about what else is going on around you, then that's going to be what you blame. We have a big sign on our locker room: ‘We're mentally and physically tough, we work hard and don't make excuses.’ I don't anticipate that from those guys. They've been fantastic since I've been here, so that's not an issue.
The game did not go exactly the way he said he wanted it to go. And yes, Nick Foles is starting game 2 against Carolina.
ConnSKINS26
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Not really the same as footall intelligence. Frank Gore can barely string a sentence together, but he's basically a football genius by all accounts.Shutout said:
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
book smarts and football smarts are not same, but with stanford major of information technology in society, its nice to know he probably won't have too much trouble getting up to speed on the playbook...
RB is a position that isn't associated with being as challenging as learning QB (understandably, as they need to know assignments of all positions on offense and defense), or WR route running or TE blocking for that matter, historically being one where rookies can do well based on intuitive run instincts...
the fact that he was a multi-year starter and stanford's career yardage leader suggests a modicum of football smarts...
also the fact that he has a complete game and three down skill set (in pass protection, you have to have football smarts about defensive alignments and also good instincts to block the right pass rusher on time, despite defensive stunts, twists, games) suggests not only smarts but work ethic and professionalism as well...
* there is a stepfan taylor thread, if this is becoming too much of a digression, might be best to take it there, a lot of the same points have been made in it, so further in-depth analysis here could become redundant...
RB is a position that isn't associated with being as challenging as learning QB (understandably, as they need to know assignments of all positions on offense and defense), or WR route running or TE blocking for that matter, historically being one where rookies can do well based on intuitive run instincts...
the fact that he was a multi-year starter and stanford's career yardage leader suggests a modicum of football smarts...
also the fact that he has a complete game and three down skill set (in pass protection, you have to have football smarts about defensive alignments and also good instincts to block the right pass rusher on time, despite defensive stunts, twists, games) suggests not only smarts but work ethic and professionalism as well...
* there is a stepfan taylor thread, if this is becoming too much of a digression, might be best to take it there, a lot of the same points have been made in it, so further in-depth analysis here could become redundant...
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Kenny Powers
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I dont see any RB battles there. Its Bell's job to lose in PIT & CIN and DEN are gonna be RBBC.
Bob Magaw
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treat88
Footballguy
Bells inactive with a mild knee injury.
This speaks more to how low Dwyers stock has fallen than anything.
Gawain
Footballguy
Kenny Powers
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This salsa dancer could be good this year
ConnSKINS26
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Fiddles
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Expand please? Uverse is down.
Kenny Powers
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ConnSKINS26
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Shutout
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that doesn't go both ways. If you can score academically to get into stanford im pretty sure you can learn a football play book. Is not a case where an athlete gets 12 years to translate something he has played all his life. Acceptance into Stanford pretty much gauges ability to learn and apply across the board.
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ConnSKINS26
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It's not about learning a play book. Most people could learn a playbook eventually. It's applying that knowledge mid-play, reading the defense, using your blocks, knowing what everyone is supposed to be doing and where, and what that makes the defense do. That's what Gore has, despite possible low IQ (not gonna just assume that). No reason to think just because Taylor is incredibly intelligent and a great learner that he can instinctively apply that on the field. It's a completely different kind of "smart" that you can't measure.
ROYALWITCHEESE
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? What does football acumen have to do with book smarts? Frank Gore is a great example of football smart, with a private school education, but still not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'm not sure what going to Stanford has to do with his ability to find cut back lanes or pick up the right unblocked pass rusher...Shutout said:
MAC_32
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i only watched his first two plays and quit, God awful.
Kenny Powers
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Clifford
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MAC_32
Footballguy
i don't believe the former. But don't disagree with the latter.
Bob Magaw
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think this conversation about assessing a players awareness and perception of physics, geometry, and how well they process that information is something that is difficult to judge without knowing that player personally.
Vision is not the same as awareness for example. Some people can see in a wider range than others, or have developed that ability more than others. Perhaps an optometrist would disagree with me but I think this is so.
Some people can be looking right at something and not even notice it. Others seem to have a sixth sense that allows them to react to things (like the ball, a defender) even though that is not in their field of vision.
Some players helmets may restrict their peripheral vision more than others. That is something the player, the coaches and the equipment guys have to agree on.
There may be some aspects of college a player may learn about these things. The best teacher is experience. The more they play the more they learn in terms of physical memory and also learning from mistakes.
Some players are more receptive to coaching than others and some coaches are better at communicating that information.
Vision is not the same as awareness for example. Some people can see in a wider range than others, or have developed that ability more than others. Perhaps an optometrist would disagree with me but I think this is so.
Some people can be looking right at something and not even notice it. Others seem to have a sixth sense that allows them to react to things (like the ball, a defender) even though that is not in their field of vision.
Some players helmets may restrict their peripheral vision more than others. That is something the player, the coaches and the equipment guys have to agree on.
There may be some aspects of college a player may learn about these things. The best teacher is experience. The more they play the more they learn in terms of physical memory and also learning from mistakes.
Some players are more receptive to coaching than others and some coaches are better at communicating that information.
mcintyre1
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Here's my original scouting thread on him from 2011, with a little post draft chatter. I pretty much stand by my original opinions. I think he could be a productive starter in the league, but never a superstar. Great value pick if you're yet to have your rookie draft. Haven't watched his preseason game yet, though.
opensourcebeer
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Dane Sanzenbacher makes a 53 man roster.
bengalbuck
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The Andrew Hawkins injury gives him a great shot of sticking in Cincy. Hawkins probably will end up on IR designated to return.
AJ Green, Mo Sanu, Marvin Jones and Brandon Tate are likely locks.
Then 2 of the following 3: Dane Sanzenbacher, Cobi Hamilton and Ryan Whalen.
netnalp
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Dan Hutchinson/Star Ledger
What we learned from the Giants' 18-13 preseason win over the Steelers
The Giants’ run defense, which ranked 25th last season, remains a work in progress. The first-team defense yielded 47 yards rushing on nine carries in two series, a 5.2-yard average per carry. The Steelers created lanes at the point of attack, and the Giants’ linebackers failed to plug the holes. The Steelers found daylight on several cutback runs, which was a problem last season as well.
Rookie DE Damontre Moore, a third-round pick out of Texas A&M, has the look of a big-time player. For openers, he blocked the Steelers’ first punt attempt. On defense, he generated consistent pressure on the quarterback, twice beating Pittsburgh starting RT Marcus Gilbert, and displayed tremendous closing speed on plays. On one play, he chased down the running back for a 1-yard gain on a check-down pass.
The Giants need to beef up their depth along the offensive line. The unit, which was without first-round pick RT Justin Pugh and third-year T James Brewer, both out with concussions, struggled in pass protection and the running game. Reserve C Matt McCants snapped the ball over the head of quarterback Ryan Nassib deep in Giants territory, resulting in a Steelers touchdown.
One More Thing
Running back David Wilson, who has been working to improve pass blocking, stepped up and delivered a crushing block on a blitzing Steelers linebacker, enabling quarterback Eli Manning to get off a pass.
What we learned from the Giants' 18-13 preseason win over the Steelers
The Giants’ run defense, which ranked 25th last season, remains a work in progress. The first-team defense yielded 47 yards rushing on nine carries in two series, a 5.2-yard average per carry. The Steelers created lanes at the point of attack, and the Giants’ linebackers failed to plug the holes. The Steelers found daylight on several cutback runs, which was a problem last season as well.
Rookie DE Damontre Moore, a third-round pick out of Texas A&M, has the look of a big-time player. For openers, he blocked the Steelers’ first punt attempt. On defense, he generated consistent pressure on the quarterback, twice beating Pittsburgh starting RT Marcus Gilbert, and displayed tremendous closing speed on plays. On one play, he chased down the running back for a 1-yard gain on a check-down pass.
The Giants need to beef up their depth along the offensive line. The unit, which was without first-round pick RT Justin Pugh and third-year T James Brewer, both out with concussions, struggled in pass protection and the running game. Reserve C Matt McCants snapped the ball over the head of quarterback Ryan Nassib deep in Giants territory, resulting in a Steelers touchdown.
One More Thing
Running back David Wilson, who has been working to improve pass blocking, stepped up and delivered a crushing block on a blitzing Steelers linebacker, enabling quarterback Eli Manning to get off a pass.
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VikingFrog
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Anyone watching the Bills/Colts game? Has Spiller thrown up yet?
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Spiller hasn't thrown up but he had two very nice carries to start the game. Fleener has two catches but just fumbled on his second one deep in Bills territory on a hit by Ron Brooks.
Grigs Allmoon
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Area51Inhabitant
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HairySasquatch
Footballguy
If EJ Manuel is the starter for Buffalo, look for Spiller to get a lot of dump off passes.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Beautiful diving grab for Hilton for the TD.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I'm bumping him up my list a bit. He's played well. Wayne should still be solid, but he's not getting any younger, so hard to say if he will be as high on the progression list. And, the Indy homer announcers said TY has been having a great camp.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I would give Manuel a D grade so far. His accuracy just isn't there right now.
Johnny Bing
Footballguy
Good thing it's early because EJ does not look too great early on. Throwing into covered WRs and throwing balls low and behind WRs.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yeah, nothing to write home about. No mistakes, but several passes a bit off target. Hopefully it's nerves. I would expect he'll play the whole first half, so we'll see if he calms down. C-, from me.
loose circuits
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Area51Inhabitant
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In return leagues, remember the name Marquise Goodwin.
