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[Unlucky]

I see a few threads discussing SCRIMMAGE stats, and I'm sure we'll see plenty of threads discussing pre-season stats. Please, people, IGNORE these stats. Sample size is tiny, teams aren't really gameplanning, and often, the stats come against 2nd or 3rd team players.

All you need to care about is which players are playing, and which are hurt/sitting. How the players actually play means very little. Don't get overexcited. Don't alter your rankings just because Ron Dayne busted a big run, or Danny Wuerfull threw for 200 yds and 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

 

[3C's]

I see a few threads discussing SCRIMMAGE stats, and I'm sure we'll see plenty of threads discussing pre-season stats. Please, people, IGNORE these stats. Sample size is tiny, teams aren't really gameplanning, and often, the stats come against 2nd or 3rd team players. All you need to care about is which players are playing, and which are hurt/sitting. How the players actually play means very little. Don't get overexcited. Don't alter your rankings just because Ron Dayne busted a big run, or Danny Wuerfull threw for 200 yds and 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

Danny Wuerful is back? Top 10 for sure.

 

[GroveDiesel]

For the most part I agree. However, the important stats are about who is getting extra carries when and who is getting extra passes and when. Those kind of things can give you an idea of who is the backup or who is winning a camp battle (like QB in Buffalo).

 

[DropKick]

For the most part I agree. However, the important stats are about who is getting extra carries when and who is getting extra passes and when. Those kind of things can give you an idea of who is the backup or who is winning a camp battle (like QB in Buffalo).

Extra playing time can mean the coaches just want to get a better look. Hard to make the jump to the player having an edge in a position battle.

 

[Sigfawn]

I see a few threads discussing SCRIMMAGE stats, and I'm sure we'll see plenty of threads discussing pre-season stats. Please, people, IGNORE these stats. Sample size is tiny, teams aren't really gameplanning, and often, the stats come against 2nd or 3rd team players. All you need to care about is which players are playing, and which are hurt/sitting. How the players actually play means very little. Don't get overexcited. Don't alter your rankings just because Ron Dayne busted a big run, or Danny Wuerfull threw for 200 yds and 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

Yeah when I saw Jordan getting 5-6 screens/dump offs in the 1st half of preseason games, it's a good thing I didn't alter my projections/rankings. It was painfully obvious last preseason Jordan was going to catch 60+ balls. You can learn from every scrimmage/preseason game. You can misuse that information, but you can also misuse DD. Should we stop using that? KJ looked HORRIBLE last preseason. I dropped him down 3-4 spots, meaning I wouldn't get him in most leagues. The Lions just looked bad overall. As I said, Jordan looked to be a catch machine in the preseason. I got him in most PPR leagues.Being able to watch the preseason games is an advantage. I don't worry about stats. But targets. Timing. Blocking. After about the 1st quarter the value drops off the ledge. I also remember LJ looking like a beast last preseason. And "sharks" would respond "It's preseason. He's a handcuff. Only a fool would waste a 5th round pick on a backup." Then he busts out 110 yards 2 tds in the first game as a "backup". If LJ would have struggled, fumbled, looked confused, it would have altered my rankings. I thought it was fairly clear LJ was going to be 10-12 touches because he was too good to keep on the bench. If you can't find value in preseason games, why are so many people posting training camp reports? Why is Joe updating us at all during the preseason beyond injuries? That’s PRACTICE. Because it matters. All of it.

 

[duaneok66]

That’s PRACTICE.

"practice . . . we're talkin' about practice, man "

 

[Unlucky]

Being able to watch the preseason games is an advantage. I don't worry about stats. But targets. Timing. Blocking. After about the 1st quarter the value drops off the ledge.

I agree with you here. I'm mainly warning against those posts citing the stats and inferring how well a player will do or won't do this year. Just reminding everyone to take the stats with a grain of salt.

 

[Sinrman]

Totally agree. It's hilarious to watch reports out of camp, and people in the middle of drafts snatching up players they heard were doing well, or were with the 1st string offense.

It's been ONE week, folks! ONE WEEK!

 

[fatness]

Steve Spurrier thought a 4-0 preseason was significant.

 

[Todem]

The 3rd preseason game is the real tell.

It is the dress rehersal for week 1.

Whomever is getting the work in that game is most likly your week 1 starters.

I have never let a pre-season stats really influence me.

But last season I watched Willie Parker perfrom in the pre-season and was convinced he would replace Staley even when Staley came back in week 5. Sometimes you find that diamond in the rough.

Yes I was one of the guy's drafting Parker in the 13th , 14th round and people were going Willie who?

So pay attention to who is playing and how they look as far as ability against first teamers.

 

[Don Quixote]

This may just be a case of different formats. If all I participated in were 15-round redraft leagues, I wouldn't pay too much attention to preseason games. For dynasty leagues, preseason games can show a lot. I wouldn't think about drafting Mike Bell or Hank Baskett in a redraft league, but I've put in claims for both in my dynasty leagues.

 

[SSOG]

I think carry and target stats- broken down by each string of offense- are incredibly important. If someone gets 15 out of 15 first-team carries, that's signficant.

Also, some coaches actually carry positional battles into the preseason. Denver's a great example. The stats that Denver's RBs put up with the first team will carry a lot of value this season. Mike Anderson's phenominal preseason play two years ago was enough to vault him ahead of Q-Tip on the depth chart before he got hurt.

 

[Family Matters]

I see a few threads discussing SCRIMMAGE stats, and I'm sure we'll see plenty of threads discussing pre-season stats. Please, people, IGNORE these stats. Sample size is tiny, teams aren't really gameplanning, and often, the stats come against 2nd or 3rd team players. All you need to care about is which players are playing, and which are hurt/sitting. How the players actually play means very little. Don't get overexcited. Don't alter your rankings just because Ron Dayne busted a big run, or Danny Wuerfull threw for 200 yds and 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

It seems some took you too literally Unlucky. I agree in part with what you're saying. Every year it seems some will get carried away with the stats based on a preseason or scrimage type game. I do agree with some others that clearly you can gleen information from these games. I don't think that's what Unlucky was referring to. Unlucky has made a very good point, especially for those that might be new to FF, and that is be careful that you don't overvalue a player because they had big numbers from a vanilla defense. Always check back on these boards for the analysis because you will find from those that watched or know the teams as to why a player did well. In fact you might find a nice surprise out there but before you jump to far, let's talk.

 

[EBF]

Disagree. The preseason is where Clinton Portis, Michael Turner, Chester Taylor, and Rudi Johnson first distinguished themselves. It's also where I first noticed a few low profile guys like Matt Schaub and Kevin Curtis.

 

[jurb26]

For vets, yeah meaningless. For rookies and other lesser experienced players it can give us a first glimps of what they can do.

 

[BassNBrew]

Hmmm...pre-season stats pegged Delhomme's break out, SS's 100 recpts, Shelton being a bust, Davis being the starter, Colbert being a hunk of dung. I think I'll keep watching.

 

[SSOG]

Hmmm...pre-season stats pegged Delhomme's break out, SS's 100 recpts, Shelton being a bust, Davis being the starter, Colbert being a hunk of dung. I think I'll keep watching.

They also proved that Mike Anderson was the man last year, for those who still didn't believe.

 

[Todem]

This may just be a case of different formats. If all I participated in were 15-round redraft leagues, I wouldn't pay too much attention to preseason games. For dynasty leagues, preseason games can show a lot. I wouldn't think about drafting Mike Bell or Hank Baskett in a redraft league, but I've put in claims for both in my dynasty leagues.

 

[msommer]

I pay attention to injuries and playing time (when more than how much) during the preseason games - and as mentioned before - look out for bubblers. Most of my leagues have already been set by the time preseason games start - but there is always the ww before week one...

 

[coolnerd]

The key is to place everything in context. don't use any piece of evidence alone to start making significant moves up or down your rankings. If someone has a good game, find out more concerning when they were playing, was it a single big play, what has been said about them during training camp.

Also, going into pre-season there are things you should be looking for in the games. Players to look for (example tonight Hank Baskett, Doug Gabriel and Thomas Howard-idp only), scheme changes, new coaching staff philosophy, etc.

Yes, you don't want to be the guy who is all over a Rb who has a 15 yard run or the QB who puts 10-16 performance against the 4th team defense. NFL Europe takes place in the spring.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Should I ignore the fact that everyone's RB darling last year, Lamont Jordan, has played the entire first half and had zero passes thrown his way?

 

[Couch Potato]

Ignore preseason stats? No way. I'm grabbing Reno Mahe and Courtney Anderson at the 3/4 turn, baby!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

One thing about the preseason, is it tells us what the offensive philosophy should be look.

The Raiders are run run run and run some more. Zero passes to the RBs.

Philly appears to be running more, and the HB is still featured in pass routes. No real surprise there.

Also the fact that Hank Baskett is starting over Jabar Gaffney says something to me.

 

[wannabee]

should we extrpolate out how bad the Raider OLine looked with Jordan in there or dismiss because of preseason

 

[The Man With No Name]

I drafted Stephen Davis in the 4th round of my 1999 rookie/free agent draft and still have him. Won my league that season, and in 2004. Davis, Marshall Faulk and Peyton Manning will be in my Personal Hall of Fame when I retire from fantasy football.

 

[joffer]

Should I ignore the fact that everyone's RB darling last year, Lamont Jordan, has played the entire first half and had zero passes thrown his way?

probably, since he didn't play the whole 1st half

 

[wannabee]

Should I ignore the fact that everyone's RB darling last year, Lamont Jordan, has played the entire first half and had zero passes thrown his way?

probably, since he didn't play well in the the whole 1st half

fixed

 

[FFFIEND]

I see a few threads discussing SCRIMMAGE stats, and I'm sure we'll see plenty of threads discussing pre-season stats. Please, people, IGNORE these stats. Sample size is tiny, teams aren't really gameplanning, and often, the stats come against 2nd or 3rd team players. All you need to care about is which players are playing, and which are hurt/sitting. How the players actually play means very little. Don't get overexcited. Don't alter your rankings just because Ron Dayne busted a big run, or Danny Wuerfull threw for 200 yds and 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

Danny Wuerful is back? Top 10 for sure.

I Danny Wuerful

 

[coolnerd]

should we extrpolate out how bad the Raider OLine looked with Jordan in there or dismiss because of preseason

If you go by the 1st quarter, the Raiders are lucky this was a preseason game because they did not have anawer for the Eagles along either frontline when the starters were playing.