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tjnc09 said:
The anti-police movement is making this country worse.  Violent crime is going to continue to rise if police are afraid for their jobs and their lives.  It's amazing people don't understand the consequences of the last two years.
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Probably the best thing to do is ban cell phones with video capabilities. Then our polices won't be afraid to do their jobs.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
I don't think they will because Kaepernick and a handful of others protest is mostly seen as ridiculous and without justification...Maybe they should spit on or slap a veteran across the face....Oh that's right, they already virtually did.
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you do realize that on average 22 veterans commit suicide everyday in this Country and that Kap has now added that to his protests because he was appalled to learn how vets are treated by the government.

 
And one more excellent viewpoint from a veteran.  This comes from Peter King's Mailbag and I think it's enlightening to read.

 

I'm an Air Force vet and served my country right out of high school. I'm a Cowboy fan and am programmed to hate the 49ers for the rest of my life. I can't help to feel bad for this whole Colin Kaepernick fiasco. Luckily, Kaep listened to good ol' Nate Boyer and actually put his money where his mouth is. The problem I have with most Americans and vets is that they don't even know what being a Patriot is. Most wouldn't pick up a gun to defend our country. We do things for selfish reasons. No one should be speaking negatively about Kaep unless he is a true patriot. A lot of us join the military for selfish reasons. I was a 17-year-old punk who knew nothing about our country. All I knew was that I had no plan after high school and college didn't sound appealing to me. Now I'm a 36-year-old man and would like to think I have a better understanding of this world. At the end of the day, we do live in the greatest country in the world. We just seem to have so many people who would rather spew venom. It's always something negative to talk about or report. I do not agree with Colin, but I can respect his decision. What he is doing is not hurting me or anyone I love. He is not hurting America.
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Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 7m7 minutes ago
Heard the same thing -->The entire Seattle Seahawks team will protest the national anthem at opening game
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I didn't much care one way or another about this when Kaepernick started, but he's really done something here.

BTW I'd still love to hear why all the people upset about these athletes supposedly dishonoring the sanctity of the anthem and disrespecting the troops or whatever were OK with people yelling out random team-related words in the middle of the song.  Yelling "O" to name-check your favorite baseball team during the anthem seems a whole lot more disrespectful than silently kneeling or sitting to me.  It's been going on for decades and I don't recall a single person getting their panties in a bunch about it.
 
tjnc09 said:
The anti-police movement is making this country worse.  Violent crime is going to continue to rise if police are afraid for their jobs and their lives.  It's amazing people don't understand the consequences of the last two years.
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i dont know man i just read a national review article from 2015 that said crime has fallen except for some small blips just about every year from 1994 to 2013 so where is the continue to rise that you are talking about thanks in advance brohan take that to the gimme some knowledge bank

 
tjnc09 said:
The anti-police movement is making this country worse.  Violent crime is going to continue to rise if police are afraid for their jobs and their lives.  It's amazing people don't understand the consequences of the last two years.
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What's really amazing is that the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the NBA Finals.

 
I'm a veteran, proud of my country and proud of people like Kaepernick who put themselves front and center in an effort to make the country better.  I hope none of you hater white supremacist ####bags in here tries to speak for me.  Speak for yourselves and your own nonstop, nonsensical outrage.

 
Trump holds a 19-point lead with the military and veterans according to yesterday's nbc poll. I am guessing ole Kaep would rank worse than even Hillary with them.  

 
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JZilla said:
I'm a veteran, proud of my country and proud of people like Kaepernick who put themselves front and center in an effort to make the country better.  I hope none of you hater white supremacist ####bags in here tries to speak for me.  Speak for yourselves and your own nonstop, nonsensical outrage.
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Who is a white supremacist? Is that anyone on the opposite side of this argument as you?

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Yes, 3 posters on FBG (who also happen to be some of the most liberal posters here) def make a great poll.

I'm just asking for your opinion on a number, just a random guess, 10% 50% 90% etc.
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yes, because I'm definitely not talking about this issue on my base amongst the other people stationed here.  

 
Gr00vus said:
Wasn't @Doctor Detroit also in the military?
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I believe he still is in some capacity, but we're not allowed to ask those who might possibly have a liberal opinion, apparently.  

And I don't know what DD's political leanings are, other than he's generally well spoken and has actually been to all these countries the right wing war hawks want to bomb into the stone ages.

 
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General Malaise said:
:lmao:

Such an angry little man.
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Actually in a good mood right now :thumbup:

I asked a simple question involving no more than a guess and you wouldn't provide a response. Instead you provided a link to one anonymous person issuing displeasure and then proceeded to insult me when I asked again  :shrug:

Someone else chimed in calling me a white supremacist bc I think the guy should stand. You guys are great :lmao:

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
Actually in a good mood right now :thumbup:

I asked a simple question involving no more than a guess and you wouldn't provide a response. Instead you provided a link to one anonymous person issuing displeasure and then proceeded to insult me when I asked again  :shrug:

Someone else chimed in calling me a white supremacist bc I think the guy should stand. You guys are great :lmao:
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Did you really expect something else....Now if you ask for respect of country you are considered racist....

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Actually in a good mood right now :thumbup:

I asked a simple question involving no more than a guess and you wouldn't provide a response. Instead you provided a link to one anonymous person issuing displeasure and then proceeded to insult me when I asked again  :shrug:
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I don't think your review of events is linear.  The only link I posted was to an LA Times Opinion Piece.  Later, I posted a snippet from Peter King's MMQB Mailbag and followed that up with a second post from one of his readers.  If you read his column, you'll note the veteran I quoted is named  Hilario Gonzalez.  You can see all that here. 

As far as giving you a guess - what you call a simple question - you put this disclaimer in there which I've bolded for you:   Honestly, just a random guess as there is no way to really know the answer, but what percentage of veterans do you think support him?

If there is no way to really know the answer, why would I guess?  That's why I asked you to ask the men who post here who have actually served our country.  That was my response, which you say up top I didn't provide.  I did.  What I didn't give you was a guess as I have no way to know, which is what you said, again, in bold.

 

 
General Malaise said:
I don't think your review of events is linear.  The only link I posted was to an LA Times Opinion Piece.  Later, I posted a snippet from Peter King's MMQB Mailbag and followed that up with a second post from one of his readers.  If you read his column, you'll note the veteran I quoted is named  Hilario Gonzalez.  You can see all that here. 

As far as giving you a guess - what you call a simple question - you put this disclaimer in there which I've bolded for you:   Honestly, just a random guess as there is no way to really know the answer, but what percentage of veterans do you think support him?

If there is no way to really know the answer, why would I guess?  That's why I asked you to ask the men who post here who have actually served our country.  That was my response, which you say up top I didn't provide.  I did.  What I didn't give you was a guess as I have no way to know, which is what you said, again, in bold.

 
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Your take is a good one, but surely you have to have an opinion, no? That is really all I was asking. Do you think veterans support this guy, or do you think you're searching the web and finding the outliers? Personally, I know a few servicemen IRL, they think the guy is a POS. On my wife's side of the family there are quite a few firefighters and EMS workers (not military, but civil servants who aren't police officers) who also think the guy is an #######. So I've done a little digging. Obviously my sample size is nothing though, so it still remains merely an opinion.

You post these opinion pieces on what I feel are outliers, so I asked a simple question to you? The underlying reason I asked the question was to see if you think these opinion pieces you found are the majority or just a select few. My opinion is obviously that they are the extreme outliers. Now go ahead and proceed with the needless insults if it gives you some validity...

 
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I hope the Seahawk players STAND for the anthem but do something else like give the Tommie Smith/John Carlos salute or turn their back to the field. 

Heads will explode across the nation.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Your take is a good one, but surely you have to have an opinion, no? That is really all I was asking. Do you think veterans support this guy, or do you think you're searching the web and finding the outliers? Personally, I know a few servicemen IRL, they think the guy is a POS. On my wife's side of the family there are quite a few firefighters and EMS workers (not military, but civil servants who aren't police officers) who also think the guy is an #######. So I've done a little digging. 

You post these opinion pieces on what I feel are outliers, so I asked a simple question to you? The underlying reason I asked the question was to see if you think these opinion pieces you found are the majority or just a select few. My opinion is obviously that they are the extreme outliers. Now go ahead and proceed with the needless insults if it gives you some validity...
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Ok so since GM's post I went around the office and asked the 11 people in here what they thought of Kapernick sitting. 3 are pissed, 6 (I put myself here) say it's his right and don't care that he is doing it, and 3 aren't paying any attention to it because they have no free time. I can go office to office around the base if you need more digging.  

 
CGRdrJoe said:
Ok so since GM's post I went around the office and asked the 11 people in here what they thought of Kapernick sitting. 3 are pissed, 6 (I put myself here) say it's his right and don't care that he is doing it, and 3 aren't paying any attention to it because they have no free time. I can go office to office around the base if you need more digging.  
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Nope, 11 people is a generous sample size, we're good. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Your take is a good one, but surely you have to have an opinion, no? That is really all I was asking. Do you think veterans support this guy, or do you think you're searching the web and finding the outliers? Personally, I know a few servicemen IRL, they think the guy is a POS. On my wife's side of the family there are quite a few firefighters and EMS workers (not military, but civil servants who aren't police officers) who also think the guy is an #######. So I've done a little digging. Obviously my sample size is nothing though, so it still remains merely an opinion.

You post these opinion pieces on what I feel are outliers, so I asked a simple question to you? The underlying reason I asked the question was to see if you think these opinion pieces you found are the majority or just a select few. My opinion is obviously that they are the extreme outliers. Now go ahead and proceed with the needless insults if it gives you some validity...
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Based on our own poll I think he knows the answer. It is going to get a lot worse for CK and anybody who is dumb enough to support him.. The beauty of it is they are too stupid too see they are slitting their own throats when it comes to potential endorsement deals..

 
Ditka Butkus said:
I'm sorry...What was my earlier remark that I failed to expand on?
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:lmao:

You still haven't explained why you think white Seattle players and black Seattle players might address the playing of the anthem in different ways..... Your last answer was some gibberish about spitting on veterans. 

 
roadkill1292 said:
:lmao:

You still haven't explained why you think white Seattle players and black Seattle players might address the playing of the anthem in different ways..... Your last answer was some gibberish about spitting on veterans. 
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Well I don't rightly have an answer..It is more of a gut feeling...Maybe it is based on the feeling that BLM isn't a major player in their lives..The only people who seem to think Black Lives Don't Matter are black people......Maybe I'm wrong, but that isn't for you too decide...

If I were an agent of any of these players I would be explaining how bad of a business move it would be to disrespect the country and the feelings of the majority of the people within said country.

 
jon_mx said:
I am guessing the NFL puts out a memo concerning conduct during the national anthem and pre-game displays. 
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That would be a big spit storm as then you may have to discipline numerous players which could alter the competitive balance.  The NFL is better off giving lip service to both sides of the coin while emphasizing pride in the flag, military and USA.

 
I really don`t care if players sit or stand. CK made a point on a topic he felt was important and so be it.  I don`t want to hear every Sunday night wrap starting off with "Well CKs NA sitting streak is at 8 games now"   If it gets out of hand I am sure at some point Goodell will probably take over and insist the NA is played before the teams come out of the tunnel.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Well I don't rightly have an answer..It is more of a gut feeling...Maybe it is based on the feeling that BLM isn't a major player in their lives..The only people who seem to think Black Lives Don't Matter are black people......Maybe I'm wrong, but that isn't for you too decide...

If I were an agent of any of these players I would be explaining how bad of a business move it would be to disrespect the country and the feelings of the majority of the people within said country.
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Are these actual thoughts you've had?

 
Have a hard time understanding how Peter King's weekly column is evidence of me 'searching the internet' to find the outliers.  I'm sure many people in this country both military and civilian find Kaepernick's protest deplorable.  But I think sentiment is shifting as his actions are accompanied by well thought out, articulate reasoning as to why he's protesting.  He is drawing attention to a current crisis in our country and I think you'll find as you go back to your friends or family over time that their attitudes towards him might change if they actually listen to what he has to say.  

This is why I asked you to pose your question to men or women who have actually served our country.  I don't have a finger on the pulse of active duty men and women; I only know what I read from people who served or serve like Zilla, Joe or others.  Chastising them for having liberal beliefs is on you, man.  "Yes, 3 posters on FBG (who also happen to be some of the most liberal posters here) def make a great poll."  Talk about being disrespectful.  You want me to ask conservative military people only about this because, what, their opinions are the only ones that matter here?  

Just find this entire exchange pointless.  You want to believe all active duty men and women hate Colin Kaepernick, fine, be my guest.  You want to believe that I'm scouring the internet to find opposing viewpoints on this topic, there's no changing your mind.  You want to bash the opinion of FBG vets or active duty servicemen because their opinions are liberal and don't jibe with the point you're trying to make, that's on you.    

The people on this board and in this world who are butthurt over Colin Kaepernick's actions are probably the same people who would have dogpiled on Cassius Clay for protesting the Vietnam War by refusing to report to duty.  In time, you'll see that most people come around on issues like this, or do you think there were still angry people with a pitchfork at the time Muhammad Ali died this year?

 
jon_mx said:
I am guessing the NFL puts out a memo concerning conduct during the national anthem and pre-game displays. 
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You are probably guessing wrong if you think they will come out against this conduct or prohibit it.  And Goodell has already spoken on this - so if a memo comes out it will similar to his statement:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/NFL-Commish-Disagrees-With-Kaepernick-Anthem-Kneel--392609621.html


NFL Commissioner Goodell Doesn't Agere With QB Anthem Kneel



But Roger Goodell does recognize the QB's right to protest even while not supporting his method


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell disagrees with Colin Kaepernick's choice to kneel during the national anthem, but recognizes the quarterback's right to protest.

Asked by The Associated Press about Kaepernick's decision not to stand before games when the national anthem is played, Goodell said in an email Wednesday: "I don't necessarily agree with what he is doing."

"I support our players when they want to see change in society, and we don't live in a perfect society," Goodell added. "On the other hand, we believe very strongly in patriotism in the NFL. I personally believe very strongly in that."

Goodell added that NFL players having a visible platform for their viewpoints. With that comes responsibility to use those platforms properly.

"We have to choose respectful ways of doing that so that we can achieve the outcomes we ultimately want and do it with the values and ideals that make our country great," said Goodell, whose late father, Charles, was a U.S. senator.

"I think it's important to have respect for our country, for our flag, for the people who make our country better; for law enforcement; and for our military who are out fighting for our freedoms and our ideals."

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