QB Anthony Richardson, IND (3 Viewers)

[King of the Jungle]

[Chappell] Colts HC Shane Steichen on the QB change from Anthony Richardson to Joe Flacco: “Joe will be our quarterback going forward. Joe gives us the best chance to win right now. Not giving up on Anthony Richardson. It was my decision.”

[Atkins] Shane Steichen was asked if Anthony Richardson will start a game for the Colts again: “That would be great. We’ll see.”

Not real encouraging statements from the HC, I would speculate there is more that the public doesn’t know about AR.

 

[Insein]

Steichen also in his 3rd year and hasn't done anything yet. That seat gets real hot if he doesn't win.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Dropped in superflex redraft. For good reason. But is it weird that I sort of want to pick him up? Yes it is.

I'm dropping him for Flacco. If it turns out they give the reins back to ARich sooner rather than later, so be it. It can be someone else's problem.

Exactly what I did in a SF redraft.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Boyd] Anthony Richardson says HC Shane Steichen didn’t necessarily explain why he won’t be starting anymore.

 

[JohnnyU]

[Boyd] Anthony Richardson says HC Shane Steichen didn’t necessarily explain why he won’t be starting anymore.

Well, I’m sure he didn’t want to tell him his play has sucked.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

[DYNASTY] I think it's crazy to declare a guy a bust, at this age, after 10 games, with the injuries and on and on.

I think ARich owners need to evaluate the team. With a guy like this, it takes a village.
Do you believe in the Colts organization? Do you think they are going to do the right thing to develop their young QB? If you do, then I think he's a hold. If you drafted him, you believe in the talent, the measureables, the traits are still there. You had to think he was a project, and there would be bad games. He's a sell if you don't think the Colts have the infrastructure to develop him.

I was thinking about this, as I watched Geno Smith and Sam Darnold performing well for their respective franchises, and thinking about what their careers may have looked like if they had been drafted by the Seahawks and VIkings instead of the team currently rolling out the withered husk that used to be Aaron Rodgers.


My issue all along with ARich was cost. I thought he was drafted way too high for a project, I thought there was an over-correction in scouting. People missed on previous mobile guys, and didn't want to whiff on the next Lamar/Josh Allen. Thus, as a fantasy asset, he was overpriced. He pretty much cost the same in rookie drafts as Kyler Murray, and his cost should have been closer to Malik WIllis. Unrealistic expectations, based on his experience and past performance, at a high cost, and you have the current opinion of him.

He was a Top 5-6 QB in Redraft '24, BUST!

 

[Terpman22]

I really didn't like Richardson too much as a prospect but when the Colts took him I really bought in.

Now that Steichen is basically abandoning ship, I feel like I'm out too.

That whole taking himself out of the game - bigger impact then any of us probably believe or imagine it to be.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Just dropped him for a backup TE (Conklin) for my team in case Hock doesn't produce. I'm planning on playing the better matchup when it comes to my QB spot (C Williams and D Maye).

 

[RenegadeRoy]

That whole taking himself out of the game - bigger impact then any of us probably believe or imagine it to be.

The fact that there was no attempt at spin on that speaks volumes to me.

 

[rodalive]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

Are you familiar with contract leagues?

Nope but I know QBs who are complete busts

 

[King of the Jungle]

Hindsight’s 20/20, but seemed like a perfect candidate to sit his whole first year. Doing this now creates a lot of questions and concerns.

He practically did sit his entire first year I suppose he didn't learn anything watching. Yes, he needs reps, but sitting now is probably best. He's still under contract for two more years and if they don't trade him he might still turn into something.

Of course if he sat all year he probably would not have suffered a season ended and could have devoted his time to learning and developing g versus rehab.

 

[doeseatplace]

[Boyd] Anthony Richardson says HC Shane Steichen didn’t necessarily explain why he won’t be starting anymore.

"It's not you, it's me."--Coach Steichen

"You're giving me the 'It's not you, it's me' routine? I invented 'It's not you, it's me.' Nobody tells me it's them, not me. If it's anybody, it's me."--ARich Costanza

 

[massraider]

He was a Top 5-6 QB in Redraft '24, BUST!

Yes. He was a bust. Is that his fault?

Or was it a massive, massive whiff by everyone who ignored every rational red flag, and acted like rookie Cam Newton was his floor? He's a bust because he didn't meet my expectations!!! OK, were these reaistic expectatioins?

All I mean is, people can simply call him a bust, and move on. But perhaps one caught some memecoin fever with this guy, and a little auditing of the way one evaluates players, or whose opinion they value, is in order.

This kid is Pets.com, he is NFTs, he is Matt Jones in Jacksonville. If I don't want to fall for the next memecoin, I need to investigate why I fell for the last one.

 

[Terpman22]

He was a Top 5-6 QB in Redraft '24, BUST!

Yes. He was a bust. Is that his fault?

Or was it a massive, massive whiff by everyone who ignored every rational red flag, and acted like rookie Cam Newton was his floor? He's a bust because he didn't meet my expectations!!! OK, were these reaistic expectatioins?

All I mean is, people can simply call him a bust, and move on. But perhaps one caught some memecoin fever with this guy, and a little auditing of the way one evaluates players, or whose opinion they value, is in order.

This kid is Pets.com, he is NFTs, he is Matt Jones in Jacksonville. If I don't want to fall for the next memecoin, I need to investigate why I fell for the last one.

Is him being a bust his fault? I guess it dpends the way you look at it.
Is him being unsuccessful his fault? Yes.

 

[massraider]

Is him being unsuccessful his fault? Yes.

Yeah, I don't know that to be a fact, but I get it.

But anyways, we don't know if he's going to be successful or not. Because this isn't Marcus Mariota, there is still hope for him. He's not a good QB right now.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

This is where the players and the team is hurt by the NFL not having a true developmental league. In baseball or hockey he would have been sent to AAA / AA to rehab and get reps. Where is he supposed to go to get reps? College football serves as the NFL developmental league. Canada and Arena are really for guys that will never make it. Even the NBA has G-League to fall back on in a pinch. NFL really has nowhere of value for AR to learn other than in a film room or while throwing INTs during a game, which coaches, fans, and 50 other player don't want. Yes it is on AR, and for him to live with his decision to leave college. But the NFL isn't helping itself out here either.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

This is where the players and the team is hurt by the NFL not having a true developmental league. In baseball or hockey he would have been sent to AAA / AA to rehab and get reps. Where is he supposed to go to get reps? College football serves as the NFL developmental league. Canada and Arena are really for guys that will never make it. Even the NBA has G-League to fall back on in a pinch. NFL really has nowhere of value for AR to learn other than in a film room or while throwing INTs during a game, which coaches, fans, and 50 other player don't want. Yes it is on AR, and for him to live with his decision to leave college. But the NFL isn't helping itself out here either.

Maybe a topic for a different thread, but the NFL should seriously consider co-opting the UFL as some sort of D-league. It would probably make people more interested because then it's attached to the shield but would be much cheaper than the ungodly price of NFL tickets. I used to go to a good amount of aa-aaa baseball and hockey games because they were cheap but the talent was still pretty good and sometimes you'd catch a star on a rehab assignment or see a guy on his way up.

 

[Dizzy]

This is where the players and the team is hurt by the NFL not having a true developmental league. In baseball or hockey he would have been sent to AAA / AA to rehab and get reps. Where is he supposed to go to get reps? College football serves as the NFL developmental league. Canada and Arena are really for guys that will never make it. Even the NBA has G-League to fall back on in a pinch. NFL really has nowhere of value for AR to learn other than in a film room or while throwing INTs during a game, which coaches, fans, and 50 other player don't want. Yes it is on AR, and for him to live with his decision to leave college. But the NFL isn't helping itself out here either.

It doesn't seem to be a problem for most.

Anthony Richardson didn't play much QB in HS, college, yet - he jumped really high and ran really fast - so some exec thought they needed a project and a coach could teach him how to play QB.

Some bust out (and at least one now has "tapped out")... and some just go bust. It happens.

 

[dipandglide]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Today in my league, Richardson got dropped for Stafford.

AR owner send out trade feelers hoping to get $.50 on the dollar, but no one responded.

 

[Desert_Power]

It doesn't seem to be a problem for most.

Watching the NFL weekly it sure does seem like most teams have a QB problem.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think he is not a good quarterback BUT the dialogue around him is completely awful. NFL media feeds random comments by Luke Kuechly talking about AR quitting on his team as if his QB didn't juke away from recovering his fumble in the damn Super Bowl.

Flacco probably helps them now though. AR needs to spend more time learning but he isn't Levis bad.

 

[Donnybrook]

AR needs to spend more time learning but he isn't Levis bad.

I don't watch too much too AFC South football but I would entertain the idea that Levis would look much better if he was on the Colts. I am not comparing him to AR. Colts have a better supporting cast - oline, running back and WRs.

 

[TheWinz]

AR needs to spend more time learning but he isn't Levis bad.

Stats would disagree. This year, he has 133 pass attempts and has only completed 59 - a whopping 44.36 completion percentage. Those are numbers you would normally see from a QB in the 1950's... if they sucked! In 1950, there were 18 QB's who threw at least 100 passes. AR would've ranked 13th among them.

 

[spurs44]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

 

[irish eyes]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

 

[JohnnyU]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

You think other players don't get tired? He was running his legs off at the time. Perhaps he needs to learn to choose his words better. Perhaps admitting it was the wrong play.

 

[irish eyes]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

You think other players don't get tired? He was running his legs off at the time. Perhaps he needs to learn to choose his words better. Perhaps admitting it was the wrong play.

Absolutely most players get tired. But no starting QBs ask out in the middle of a game to take a breather.

 

[zamboni]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

You think other players don't get tired? He was running his legs off at the time. Perhaps he needs to learn to choose his words better. Perhaps admitting it was the wrong play.

Absolutely most players get tired. But no starting QBs ask out in the middle of a game to take a breather.

I think the "I'm tired" thing is being overblown, but it was just a bad look and icing on the cake for a guy who was struggling on a historically bad basis. If he was playing very well, it probably wouldn't have even been discussed much, if at all. In hindsight, he just should have asked to hand the ball off a few plays if he was really tired (they have a top notch RB from what I hear), rather than tap out, but what's done is done.

 

[Joe Schmo]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

You think other players don't get tired? He was running his legs off at the time. Perhaps he needs to learn to choose his words better. Perhaps admitting it was the wrong play.

Absolutely most players get tired. But no starting QBs ask out in the middle of a game to take a breather.

I think the "I'm tired" thing is being overblown, but it was just a bad look and icing on the cake for a guy who was struggling on a historically bad basis. If he was playing very well, it probably wouldn't have even been discussed much, if at all. In hindsight, he just should have asked to hand the ball off a few plays if he was really tired (they have a top notch RB from what I hear), rather than tap out, but what's done is done.

I don't know it can be overblown, in my memory I have never heard of a QB tapping out on a play because he was tired. Lamar Jackson runs around ALOT and he never takes himself out of a game. If I have my facts straight it was a third down play as well. Where is the competitive fire?? That's a ridiculous admission on Richardson's part, imo.

 

[Dizzy]

All of this chatter makes me want to reach out to Arich owners and see if I can pick any low-hanging fruit. If people are jumping ship, I'd love to pick up Arich as my QB2 in superflex leagues.

This.

Why?

I'm trying to hit a cheap home run

Drafted him last year in my dynasty league. Have held onto him until this week. Learning is one thing but the nail in the coffin is his propensity in getting hurt. Maybe a couple years from now it all comes together. But the injuries are baffling for a man of his size and stature. I'm out.

Not to mention him saying, "I was tired". Really dude, that's as bad as it gets. Would never want a guy like that on my team

You think other players don't get tired? He was running his legs off at the time. Perhaps he needs to learn to choose his words better. Perhaps admitting it was the wrong play.

Absolutely most players get tired. But no starting QBs ask out in the middle of a game to take a breather.

I think the "I'm tired" thing is being overblown, but it was just a bad look and icing on the cake for a guy who was struggling on a historically bad basis. If he was playing very well, it probably wouldn't have even been discussed much, if at all. In hindsight, he just should have asked to hand the ball off a few plays if he was really tired (they have a top notch RB from what I hear), rather than tap out, but what's done is done.

When an NFL QB does something that has never been done before... it had better be something positive. As others have pointed out, there are QBs that run more, there are QBs nearly double his age, there are QBs delivering passes knowing they will get clobbered, etc. Yet, none of them "tap out"... ever. Never happened by all accounts.

That single "tap out" moment brings everything into question now regarding his leadership qualities, conditioning, and dedication to the position he is in (based on how poorly he has played).

 

[Banger]

Have no horse in this race but this is a pretty dramatic move to bench a 2nd year top draft pick for the year in favor of a 40 year old QB. I know that's obvious but I have to think there's more to the story, maybe attitude, maybe he doesn't put in the time in the film room, maybe he's just not progressing in his understanding and defensive reads but it has to be something along those lines IMO. The "tapout" is a non-issue to me and it's not going to cause you to potentially bench a player of the future.

 

[scothawk]

They wouldn't trade him, would they?

 

[King of the Jungle]

They wouldn't trade him, would they?

Doubt it, unless there is really some issues with his attitude or leadership.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I just want him assigned as Out on Yahoo so I can move him to IR.

 

[jm192]

I just want him assigned as Out on Yahoo so I can move him to IR.

I assume that's not coming

 

[dblock05]

I just want him assigned as Out on Yahoo so I can move him to IR.

?? He’s healthy and the backup

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Let a man dream. Out (tired)

 

[oswizzle]

When old man Flacco makes the team look the Tecmo Bowl 49ers … why wouldn’t you bench El Bust-O … he’s got ZERO touch on the ball

 

[Dizzy]

When IND drafted AR, that's a commitment to losing. Not long term of course, but if you've sold yourself that this tremendous raw athlete will be the ultimate weapon at QB "some day"... that means that you're committed to losing while this develops. I can't help but feel that it probably "seemed like a good idea at the time"... but then he gets injured, a season is lost... then year 2 comes along and he still looks like "day 1 raw dog"... meanwhile CJ Stroud, Jayden Daniel, and (now) Bo NIx have turned the fortunes of their franchises around instantly. And now, that great idea back in April 2023 doesn't look so great anymore because you've got a full roster of players (veterans, Pro-Bowlers, other) and coaching staff that are NOT fully committed to losing and collectively are actually a very good team capable of winning the Division.

Having said all that... AR is one play away from relieving a 40-yr old QB.

 

[Jppaul]

any guess if this is a one game benching to teach him a lesson?

 

[Dizzy]

any guess if this is a one game benching to teach him a lesson?

I don't think it's a "benching"... this is a promotion of Joe Flacco to QB1 as I understand it.

He's probably learned a lesson, but you can't teach him QB play in one week.

 

[JoeJoe88]

any guess if this is a one game benching to teach him a lesson?

My guess is barring a Flacco injury ARich doesn’t see the field again this season.

 

[Dizzy]

any guess if this is a one game benching to teach him a lesson?

My guess is barring a Flacco injury ARich doesn’t see the field again this season.

Agreed. Unfortunately (for AR's "development"), Indy is just too good to throw away 1-2 seasons.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

When IND drafted AR, that's a commitment to losing. Not long term of course, but if you've sold yourself that this tremendous raw athlete will be the ultimate weapon at QB "some day"... that means that you're committed to losing while this develops. I can't help but feel that it probably "seemed like a good idea at the time"... but then he gets injured, a season is lost... then year 2 comes along and he still looks like "day 1 raw dog"... meanwhile CJ Stroud, Jayden Daniel, and (now) Bo NIx have turned the fortunes of their franchises around instantly. And now, that great idea back in April 2023 doesn't look so great anymore because you've got a full roster of players (veterans, Pro-Bowlers, other) and coaching staff that are NOT fully committed to losing and collectively are actually a very good team capable of winning the Division.

Having said all that... AR is one play away from relieving a 40-yr old QB.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Indy as a team is better than they anticipated being when they drafted Richardson. They thought they were going to be in rebuild mode, but they weren't. They were an extra point away from being 5-2 last year year when Gardner Minshew started at QB. They're a solid team. Not the "let's just suck for a few years while our QB learns" team they expected to be.

 

[BassNBrew]

[Chappell] Colts HC Shane Steichen on the QB change from Anthony Richardson to Joe Flacco: “Joe will be our quarterback going forward. Joe gives us the best chance to win right now. Not giving up on Anthony Richardson. It was my decision.”

[Atkins] Shane Steichen was asked if Anthony Richardson will start a game for the Colts again: “That would be great. We’ll see.”

Not real encouraging statements from the HC, I would speculate there is more that the public doesn’t know about AR.

[Boyd] Anthony Richardson says HC Shane Steichen didn’t necessarily explain why he won’t be starting anymore.

This is exactly how the Bryce Young benching went down.

 

[JohnnyU]

Let a man dream. Out (tired)

 

[Faust]

Adam Schefter

Based on history, this looks like the beginning of the end of Anthony Richardson’s time in Indianapolis. From 2000-2022, there were 66 quarterbacks selected in the first round of the NFL draft, and 25 of those QBs were benched at some point while on their rookie contract. Mitch Trubisky is the only one who started a playoff game or was selected to the Pro Bowl with the team that drafted him after being benched, per ESPN researcher @EpKap.

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[zeeshan2]

[Arthur] I asked Shane Steichen if Joe Flacco might have a certain limit before getting pulled as the starter, as with Anthony Richardson, and he said they're sticking with Flacco for the season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Does it really matter now? They should just go back to Richardson and what will be will be. The Colts aren't a playoff team, so why play Flacco? At least Richardson would be getting those needed reps. IMO Steichen is just scared for his job. He's not as smart as he thinks he is.