pantherclub
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QB Cam Newton, Retired (2 Viewers)
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Why do you keep saying this? I think everyone gets the point and you don't need to repeat yourself.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
People have mentioned the Bears. I seriously doubt they'd be willing to do that but I'd love to see it.
They why is the brass questioning his health? Does seem like a good way to facilitate a trade.
pantherclub
Footballguy
A team is going to make him take a physical regardless. It's just obvious tepper and rhule want to move on.
stratocatter
Footballguy
Sounds as if they are going to give him away.
Not a fan of our new owner at this point.
Not a fan of our new owner at this point.
pantherclub
Footballguy
He also said this, so who knows what is going on right now
I still think at the end of this Cam is cut or traded for peanuts under the guise that he is just not healthy enough
https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1232382546714996736
I still think at the end of this Cam is cut or traded for peanuts under the guise that he is just not healthy enough
https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1232382546714996736
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pantherclub
Footballguy
You may be right but in his defense he clearly states that Cam should have been good to go in March. Now he isnt (which is clearly another separate issue) so the team cannot move him when he is injured. Things didnt progress like he thought. He Rhule also didnt rule out trading anyone on the roster.
But yeah someone in the organization is probably toying with Ian R.
It's not March yet and the reports in this thread are still showing he will be ready for football activities in March. Where are you seeing that he won't start activities in March?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Everything I saw was that football activities would begin in March. That has not changed. June or Sept maybe the time for being 100%. That falls in line with having surgery in December. I am not sure why you think he is behind schedule. So far everything I can find follows the timeline set out from the beginning..
Did Carolina hire their new coach before or after he posted this? I don't see any problem with this report if it was related to the old regime.
But feel free to keep hating on him, I'm sure there are plenty of other valid reasons
pantherclub
Footballguy
That changed yesterday if you believe some of the tweets from Jourdan and ian and from what Rhule said about sept. I am in a meeting now but will link once I get a chance
Rhule said, before adding the caveat, "when Cam’s healthy, he’s one of the best of the best." Rhule also added, "I don't really care if he’s full speed until September."
This is far from saying he won't start football activities until September. This seems to still fall in line with the rehab timeline originally outlined which was start football activities in March. That isn't saying he is 100% in March.
It also tells me that Carolina has thrown in the towel for this season and is looking to the future.
They will not cut him, and will look to make a move with him if/when he hits full health.
I've read of no setbacks or anyone shoehorning him into September. Ranges provided are March till later.
This was from article Jourdan wrote yesterday:
At the end of the day, the facts are this: We don’t know yet whether Newton will be starting for the Panthers in 2020 (though we do know Rhule says he wants Newton on the roster at that time). We know, based on what Rhule said Tuesday, that no player is safe from trade if the guys in charge believe said trade would make the team better in the long run. We don’t yet know what moves, if any, will take place. We can only bring to light what we know, when we are allowed to know it (and hopefully sometimes when we’re not allowed to know it). When Newton gets cleared from rehab, we’ll know it. When he suits up for the Panthers on opening Sunday in September, we’ll know it. When he doesn’t, we’ll know it. When he’s healthy, we’ll know it. When he’s not, we’ll know it. We might not know until March or June or even later.
And yesterday from Ian:
@RapSheet
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Feb 25
A lot can still happen in the coming months, but as of now, the #Panthers are moving forward with Cam Newton as their starting QB, sources say. While his foot is healing well, it will be several months until it’s game-ready — a timeline that complicates any potential trade.
This was from article Jourdan wrote yesterday:
At the end of the day, the facts are this: We don’t know yet whether Newton will be starting for the Panthers in 2020 (though we do know Rhule says he wants Newton on the roster at that time). We know, based on what Rhule said Tuesday, that no player is safe from trade if the guys in charge believe said trade would make the team better in the long run. We don’t yet know what moves, if any, will take place. We can only bring to light what we know, when we are allowed to know it (and hopefully sometimes when we’re not allowed to know it). When Newton gets cleared from rehab, we’ll know it. When he suits up for the Panthers on opening Sunday in September, we’ll know it. When he doesn’t, we’ll know it. When he’s healthy, we’ll know it. When he’s not, we’ll know it. We might not know until March or June or even later.
And yesterday from Ian:
@RapSheet
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Feb 25
A lot can still happen in the coming months, but as of now, the #Panthers are moving forward with Cam Newton as their starting QB, sources say. While his foot is healing well, it will be several months until it’s game-ready — a timeline that complicates any potential trade.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Rapp reported it would be closer to june before he is in game shape. Rhule made the comment about sept. Why I dont know but I have a guess.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1232460707276263424
I dont think he had a setback just not the timeline we were hoping for. I wonder if he is still going to be able to at least pass a physical in March. Sure as hell doesnt sound like it.
pantherclub
Footballguy
yep, but I am not sure if he qualifies as a "franchise QB" as it stands today. The dude is banged up and damn nobody knows anything it seems about his recovery. He commented that the foot injury was a "blessing" because it gave his shoulder extra rest which is concerning. And now you have the foot injury that typically zaps players of their mobility. This has to be a nightmare as the team prepares for FA and the draft.
But I think at the end of the day he simply gets cut. It would be a sad and weird ending for him. A great player that just took an insane amount of punishment.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Me personally I wouldnt. But I can easily see the team just having enough of the drama and starting fresh. He is on a one year deal and its going to be a crap year with or without him. The whole can he play, is he healthy etc just gets to be redundant at some point. I would hate that they would cut him but I would understand. If he cannot play he simply cannot play. I guess we will see in mini camp where we are with him. I mean really, what is the best case scenario with Cam and this team for 2020?
Jourdan R reported he should be able to pass a physical next month so that will be interesting to see if that materializes
Best with Cmac Samuals DJ and Ian is one of the most potent and explosive offenses in the league. The only thing missing is someone who can throw the ball 40 yards. Have to see if cam is that guy
pantherclub
Footballguy
But our defense is still crap and our oline needs lots of bodies. Its going to be a bad year. I am almost to the point that if we can get a 3rd or 4rth then just move him. I have to think the Bears would roll the dice on him for a 3rd
Give cam a chance to win
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stratocatter
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You can't cut an injured player. Newton has been playing games with his health for a long time. The timing on his surgeries is suspect. What went on last year was really strange, I do not really believe he is not healthy enough to play even right now. I guess I summarize it as I do not trust him.
pantherclub
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Wouldn't give up anything for him. Wouldn't sign him unless for a basement bargain salary.
I'd trade for RG3 at his salary than trading for or signing Cam Newton.
Cam coming off looking terrible here. At the end of the day he's injury prone QB that relies on his declining athletic gifts and is something like 0-7 or 0-8 in his last many starts. They've given you permission to seek a trade. If you're THAT valuable, you shouldn't have a problem finding work. Bears seem to be willing to overpay.....at least it's a reasonable team situation.
Cam needs to find a SITUATION to rehab his value for a year. I think it'll be easier said than done but I don't think anyone will be jumping to give him big money for 2020.
I'd trade for RG3 at his salary than trading for or signing Cam Newton.
Cam coming off looking terrible here. At the end of the day he's injury prone QB that relies on his declining athletic gifts and is something like 0-7 or 0-8 in his last many starts. They've given you permission to seek a trade. If you're THAT valuable, you shouldn't have a problem finding work. Bears seem to be willing to overpay.....at least it's a reasonable team situation.
Cam needs to find a SITUATION to rehab his value for a year. I think it'll be easier said than done but I don't think anyone will be jumping to give him big money for 2020.
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JoeSteeler
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-OZ-
Footballguy
The Bucs should offer a 5th immediately if that's the going rate and they'd trade him in the division.
ffmail4me
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
I thought I was down on Cam until I read the recent posts in here.
Seems like a perfect situation for a "conditional pick" type trade. Cam and the Panthers get to save face because they get "up to" a high draft pick(assuming he wins the MVP or SuperBowl or something just as unlikely) but is actually a day 3 draft pick if he ends up not playing much or at all for the new team. That way the team trading for Cam and more importantly his salary are insulated from most of the health related risk.
The $21mil for one year isn't really that bitter a pill to swallow when you consider the contract Tannehill just signed. The Browns, Bills, and Giants all have QB's on rookie deals with some salary cap left to play with. Giants make the least sense of the group but you have the Gettleman/Panthers connection and he could easily lose his job if Jones gets injured and/or they get off to rough start with no plan B. The Bills make the most sense because they are close and Allen plays with reckless abandon and has a similar skill set so Cam could slide in if there was an injury. The Browns only make sense because Baker took a big step backward and CLE seems to be throwing money around this off-season.
Seems like a perfect situation for a "conditional pick" type trade. Cam and the Panthers get to save face because they get "up to" a high draft pick(assuming he wins the MVP or SuperBowl or something just as unlikely) but is actually a day 3 draft pick if he ends up not playing much or at all for the new team. That way the team trading for Cam and more importantly his salary are insulated from most of the health related risk.
The $21mil for one year isn't really that bitter a pill to swallow when you consider the contract Tannehill just signed. The Browns, Bills, and Giants all have QB's on rookie deals with some salary cap left to play with. Giants make the least sense of the group but you have the Gettleman/Panthers connection and he could easily lose his job if Jones gets injured and/or they get off to rough start with no plan B. The Bills make the most sense because they are close and Allen plays with reckless abandon and has a similar skill set so Cam could slide in if there was an injury. The Browns only make sense because Baker took a big step backward and CLE seems to be throwing money around this off-season.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Browns/Bills/Giants aren't paying Cam Newton $21 million to have their current franchise QBs look over their shoulder while making a fraction of the money. Zero shot of it. If he's released, anything is possible with any team.
