cdclopper
Footballguy
Why are ppl so mad about this suggestion. Pretty weird, ngl.
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QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (3 Viewers)
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
It's not a reasonable suggestion. He is injured, not benched.
Runkle
Footballguy
If JJM is 100% healthy, it makes zero sense that the Vikings would have said goodbye to Darnold and Cousins to then give up on McCarthy as their new QB after a 1-1 start in a game where half the offensive line got hurt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, welcome to the internet in 2025.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Runkle
Footballguy
Sorry, I should have gone with:
"Went on a date with a supermodel. It was great. She was smart and funny and charming. We had a great connection and then she took me back to her mansion and gave me the greatest night in the bedroom in my entire life. The second date, she came to get me in her limo with her chauffeur, and took me to a red-carpet Hollywood premiere. But the movie stunk and while we were in there the chauffeur got into an accident trying to park and we had to uber back. One good date, one lousy date, I think I'm going to dump her."
cdclopper
Footballguy
Yeah why would they bench a quarterback whos not playing well. That never happens.
It makes perfect sense considering how bad he has looked.
Chaka
Footballguy
ponchsox
Footballguy
Redraft
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
True story - my brother was a dual major in computer science & German in college. After he graduated he moved to Germany to work for SAP as a software translator. SAP makes software for Wang computers.
Sorry, I should have gone with:
"Went on a date with a supermodel. It was great. She was smart and funny and charming. We had a great connection and then she took me back to her mansion and gave me the greatest night in the bedroom in my entire life. The second date, she came to get me in her limo with her chauffeur, and took me to a red-carpet Hollywood premiere. But the movie stunk and while we were in there the chauffeur got into an accident trying to park and we had to uber back. One good date, one lousy date, I think I'm going to dump her."
You left out the part where you found out she put the wang in Wang Computers.
Yes, you put SAP on your Wang.
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irish eyes
Footballguy
This guy looks really bad. I have him in dynasty with not much else & deeply regretting it. The week 1 game where everyone fawned over him, well look what the Lions did to Chicago.
he wasnt just bad in New York, he was also bad in Carolina. from what I can tell his first good season was in Minny. and in the years he was starting prior to that, he never played a full season. He topped out at 13 GP. whether thats because of injury or benching I dont remember. but assuming its injury that also makes durability a legit issue for him.I would expect nothing less from a person that wrote off Sam Darnold as a terrible QB because of his play with the Jets. It has been 2 weeks and you are writing off JJ McCarthy.
He held the ball an average of 3.2 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think).
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.www.nytimes.com
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
Nobody was predicting a breakout season for Darnold last year. Nobody.
to that end, I'm glad hes turned it around. but I dont necessarily blame someone for writing him off. At the time all the info available indicated he was likely a bust.
Chaka
Footballguy
he wasnt just bad in New York, he was also bad in Carolina. from what I can tell his first good season was in Minny. and in the years he was starting prior to that, he never played a full season. He topped out at 13 GP. whether thats because of injury or benching I dont remember. but assuming its injury that also makes durability a legit issue for him.I would expect nothing less from a person that wrote off Sam Darnold as a terrible QB because of his play with the Jets. It has been 2 weeks and you are writing off JJ McCarthy.
He held the ball an average of 3.2 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think).
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
Nobody was predicting a breakout season for Darnold last year. Nobody.
to that end, I'm glad hes turned it around. but I dont necessarily blame someone for writing him off. At the time all the info available indicated he was likely a bust.
agreed.
We have all said stupid stuff at one point or another.
what we dont need is someone going back in time to pull up a 3 year old quote where we were wrong. Nobody cares what happened 3 years ago. and All of us make bad calls and say stupid things from time to time. its called being human.
Lets maybe be a little more forgiving on that front. and if you guys wanna fight, do it in private emails so the rest of us dont have to suffer through it.
Yeah. I don’t need anyone pulling up my prediction for Jameis and OBJ from 10 years back. Let’s just say I light have compared them to couple of great 49ers.
Per usual, the middle stance is the reasonable take here. He hasn’t looked good at all. It remains to be seen whether that’s because he’s overrated, he’s not ready, he’s been playing hurt, his supporting cast is letting him down, or it’s some combination of the four.
But as a fellow ND fan, I know where we both are leaning
Chaka
Footballguy
Aug 31st, 2024he wasnt just bad in New York, he was also bad in Carolina. from what I can tell his first good season was in Minny. and in the years he was starting prior to that, he never played a full season. He topped out at 13 GP. whether thats because of injury or benching I dont remember. but assuming its injury that also makes durability a legit issue for him.I would expect nothing less from a person that wrote off Sam Darnold as a terrible QB because of his play with the Jets. It has been 2 weeks and you are writing off JJ McCarthy.
He held the ball an average of 3.2 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think).
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
Nobody was predicting a breakout season for Darnold last year. Nobody.
to that end, I'm glad hes turned it around. but I dont necessarily blame someone for writing him off. At the time all the info available indicated he was likely a bust.
massraider
Footballguy
This entire forum is people disagreeing with other's opinions.
It's a pretty out there opinion that the Vikings made up an injury to hide JJ, so if people question it, that should be expected.
If people cannot abide having someone question their hot takes, maybe they should dial down the spice on their little truth bombs.
Chaka
Footballguy
I disagree.
mjb03003
Footballguy
I know you’re not referring to any hot take I threw out there, because I haven’t made any. Aside from the whole “made up injury” angle, I think, having read this thread for months, that JJ McCarthy fans are a special kind of defensive of their guy.
massraider
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
All stans are a special kind of defensive about their guys.
Then again people often assume that kind of bias whenever someone makes any argument in defense of a player.
It's easier to dismiss well reasoned arguments that run counter to personal opinions by assuming bias. It's sad, really, because it stifles reasoned debate and consensus forming.
mjb03003
Footballguy
Clipping the quote to make it look like I’m taking credit for the “made up injury” angle, now?? Really?
MOP? I think I know the poster you’re referring to here and I take offense to that.
Smh.
Keep it on football and not other posters.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Is it wrong to root for Wentz to be amazing just to watch the world burn? I mean if he elevates JJ and Hock back to top 12 guys at their respective positions, it'll certainly buy him some fans at the very least.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Wentz will play well for a game or 2 maybe, then flame out. He will come out slinging and then eventually fall apart. Maybe just maybe he will target Hockenson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If the other POV is a nonsensical conspiracy theory about being benched when he has a high ankle sprain, then no one should tolerate that POV.
mjb03003
Footballguy
Keep pretending that’s the only POV that has been consistently rejected in this thread. It’s a straw man argument.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I didn’t pretend anything. That’s the only POV I’m rejecting.
I have no idea what you’re referring to other than that.
mjb03003
Footballguy
You’re responding directly to me and by quoting me when I say people are far too defensive of McCarthy in this thread and are not tolerating differing viewpoints.
You’re latching onto *one viewpoint* thrown out by *other* posters that he’s not actually injured, or not injured as much as the Vikings may want us to believe. By latching onto just that one conspiracy theory you’re oversimplifying and exaggerating your argument (to me directly, mind you) that the overly defensive nature of this thread is justified.
Leave me specifically out of it if you have an issue with that viewpoint because I didn’t start it nor did I support it and it has very little to do with my post about the defensiveness in here.
That’s false. I never suggested that the Vikings were using McCarthy’s injury as an excuse to bench him.
I presented the possibility that the Vikings could go on quick run while McCarthy was out, which you dismissed out of hand. But, of course, it’s quite plausible that they will. Their next three games are against the Burrow-less Bengals, Steelers, and Browns, and they’re all at home. Moreover, it’s not inconceivable that Wentz (or even Brosmer) may get Jefferson, Hockenson, and the rest of the offense going a bit. I mean, it can’t get much worse!
If that happens, then the Vikings may have a tough decision on their hands. They’re a playoff caliber team and their schedule gets brutal in about a month. So, I was wondering what people thought: Would the Vikings hand the keys back to McCarthy, given how bad he’s been thus far? This is a relevant question fantasy-wise as we try to forecast the rest of the season. It has to be an event that’s built into our models, and it impacts McCarthy’s value, Jefferson’s, and everyone else in that offense.
Yes they will. He is their future and needs as much time on the field as he can get.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I will vote for Fugazi injury, Hayden Winks laid out good points
-mobile and moving well on the 2nd to last play of the game
-nothing in postgame about it
-ruled out for next week (and beyond) on Monday
-mobile and moving well on the 2nd to last play of the game
-nothing in postgame about it
-ruled out for next week (and beyond) on Monday
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was commenting on the topic, not on you.
Talk about defensive. Irony at its finest.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He actually wasn’t - came up limping after a couple of the sacks.
It’s easy to agree with a point when it’s not true.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Now, I am taking it as an article of faith this is the last play, but there was never a spot I saw him limping, doesn't mean he didn't injure it but I will say this is a flag to me.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Is there anything more after the play? I got no skin in the game, but adrenaline and pain meds can really do wonders until that swelling kicks in.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I actually did see him limping. I also saw him get up kind of woozy and feared he may have had concussion (the play where the defender came in unabated and JJM’s helmet was halfway up his face).
I have zero doubt he got the hell beat out of him & at the time of that run play/tackle I feared he was hurt in real time - that said, it’s been a theme that he needs to learn to slide, which I yelled at the television several times. On that play he should have tried to dive out of bounds instead of running right into 2 guys.
So yeah - not defending his style, but he absolutely got wrapped up on that one and awkwardly so.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I have no skin in the game, but if it was a high ankle sprain, which a multi week absence ruled out on the Monday, I dont personally think he's moving like that and there would be a sign of injury.
I can believe he's played 7 dreadful quarters in the NFL(one good one against the sad sack bears) and I did see KOC kind of yelling at him coming off the field. This is a soft landing for all, but I guess we will see if he's sitting out of practice or just doing backup work in that capacity.
I have yoyo'ed like a mofo on him, didn't like the talent coming in, I thought he turned a corner and now I dont know what to think of him. Beyond he needs a lot more work.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Sad but true. Last game, the Vikings were starting their 2rd string center and their 3rd string LT. It going to be ugly.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
For the people pushing the conspiracy theories, Brock Purdy finished the game 1 vs Seattle and didn't play in week 2 so post game injuries are real.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The OL is Swiss cheese right now. No one in that organization is putting those sacks on JJM.
That’s the difference between the NFL and FF. They’re not going to fake an injury to bench a player they need to develop. They’re also going to be much more realistic about why things went south rather than lamenting that they did.
There’s 11 guys on offense. When 3 starting OL are out and the opponent’s pass rush is making your QB into a piñata, the results are going to be bad. We don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain those bad results.
I don’t expect Wentz to have more success behind that line, though anything is possible. He is a more experienced QB. We’ll see how much that helps if he spends the game looking out of his earhole.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly this. I was shocked to learn Purdy was hurt. Then I was absolutely floored to learn it would be a multi-week injury.
Adrenaline & time for swelling are legitimate things.
Well, that sucks for us Jefferson owners and anyone with other shares in this passing game.
Watching the past two games, I have little confidence McCarthy can support high-end WR1 production. Ditto for Hockenson’s TE1 and Addison’s WR2 prospects.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You should be more concerned about the OL.
That’s fair. But, decent QBs can and do produce with suspect offensive line play. Stafford and Rodgers were drafted way after McCarthy. Do we think they’d be this bad? We could throw other names in there too. So, when you put the onus on the OL, you’re also saying something about your valuation of McCarthy.
