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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

I posted this in the Minnesota Vikings thread about Jameis because I thought I was here. Might as well post it here.

I think the reason fans love Jameis is because he throws a nice deep ball and plays exciting. Nobody is fooling themselves that Jameis will control himself and not turn the ball over playing hero ball. You know how baseball went all analytics and it bored the hell out of fans and made the game unwatchable with the shifting and the platooning and the constant bullpen match-ups? Seems like the modern movement towards short passing and the running game is doing the same in football. Fans are looking for gunslinging quarterbacks because they're exciting. Nothing is more boring than watching a team have to piddle its way down the field against a Fangio-copied defense. I mean, you've reduced guys like Mahomes into dink and dunk guys. That's not cool to watch.

It's not fun football to watch, anyway. Jameis takes shots and fans love Jameis. Chicks dig the long ball. All that stuff goes into it.

There, you've been put on notice regarding why a crappy team's fans will rejoice at a Jameis signing. Fans of that team will get to watch exciting, sometimes competent football that is up-and-down and all around with the turnovers, too. For the moments that ball is in the air, the excitement is crazy, even when he makes one of those horrible throws into triple coverage where even the receiver wants to know what the heck he's doing. It might cost you the game, but at least it's more exciting than watching Daniel Jones miss every throw and scrape out five yards a pop with an RPO that is aesthetically unpleasing beyond a doubt.

"Ooh look, there's a fifty-yard bomb!"

"Wait, you haven't seen Daniel Jones break off five yards on the ground!"

That's why the fans love Jameis even when they groan about him. At least you feel alive for a minute and have hope.

Oh, and from a fantasy perspective? What on earth are we talking about that he hurts fantasy receivers? If you watched Jerry Jeudy last year compared to any year prior to that, you already have an inkling and can be pretty much assured that Nabers will thrive with Jameis. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Nabers benefits from him like he would an excellent QB; in fact, it's almost a near certainty. The years Jameis has started enough games he's always carried his receivers with him. Spencer Tillman? Jerry Jeudy? I mean, who the heck were these guys in fantasy before Jameis? I can tell you who they were before. Big, fat nobodies before Jameis. Godwin. Evans. Not throwing shade on names here, but Godwin and Evans had their best years with Jameis and Brady, and I'd argue that Godwin was better with Jameis. When Jameis started for the Saints, Olave had huge days.

Those hating Jameis strike me as being too smart for their own good and too much of a football purist for their own reckoning. The team that signs him and starts him will lose enough to have a high draft pick, will be in the game until the turnovers happen (whenever they come and when they don't, serendipity!), the game itself will be exciting, and all the offensive guys will benefit. What the heck is there not to like from a fantasy or fan perspective with Winston if you're not in contention for the Super Bowl?
 
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That's why the fans love Jameis even when they groan about him. At least you feel alive for a minute and have hope.
this and with a QB like him you are never truly out of the game. either he will throw 3 TD in the fourth QB or it will be a spectacular blowout with 3 4th quarter INT.

but at least he goes for the W.

there is lots to like about him. if you can even just cut out the unforced errors that turn into INT, hed be startable. Thats what kills his team when hes at QB. I dont care as much about the 4th quarter INT trying to get the team back in the game. if you are losing, thats a risk you need to take.
 
If a combo of Jones, Lock, DeVito, and Boyle can turn Nabers into WR6 while the Giants were 28th in passing yards and last in passing TD's, I will be targeting Nabers more than Jameis!
 
Life comes at you fast. :)

Did God himself hand Russ the job? No. Only 10.5 million dollars are guaranteed, even. You never know . . .

Plus, Russ is sort of a target back there now. Watch him try to scramble away from Jalen Carter. Argh. Munch. Stomp. Unless they draft Sanders, Winston will get a start or two. Then we'll see Broadway Jameis come to town.
 
Life comes at you fast. :)

Did God himself hand Russ the job? No. Only 10.5 million dollars are guaranteed, even. You never know . . .

Plus, Russ is sort of a target back there now. Watch him try to scramble away from Jalen Carter. Argh. Munch. Stomp. Unless they draft Sanders, Winston will get a start or two. Then we'll see Broadway Jameis come to town.
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games. I don't see Winston as any threat to the starting job, why would he be?
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
Yeah, I think the crux here is we have different opinions on how good Winston is. I'd probably rank him around QB45 or so and consider him a middling backup.

I don't think Wilson is some amazing QB anymore, but I struggle to see what Winston does better. Wilson has a better deep ball, makes better decisions, and is more accurate. They both take too many sacks. Maybe Wilson gets hurt I guess, but I'd put the odds at Wilson getting benched for Winston as extremely unlikely.
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
Yeah, I think the crux here is we have different opinions on how good Winston is. I'd probably rank him around QB45 or so and consider him a middling backup.

I don't think Wilson is some amazing QB anymore, but I struggle to see what Winston does better. Wilson has a better deep ball, makes better decisions, and is more accurate. They both take too many sacks. Maybe Wilson gets hurt I guess, but I'd put the odds at Wilson getting benched for Winston as extremely unlikely.
I think the situation lends itself to Winston getting a chance at some point, fair or not fair. The oline is a mess, Wilson on a one year deal as a 36 year old player, coaches and GM sitting on the burner, not a lot of offensive talent…all points to if they struggle to win games the coaches will be desperate to make a move (right or wrong).
 
As much as I love watching Winston chuck the ball down field he is usually only good for a couple games. I feel his a good back-up but not a great long term starter for the whole year.
 
If a combo of Jones, Lock, DeVito, and Boyle can turn Nabers into WR6 while the Giants were 28th in passing yards and last in passing TD's, I will be targeting Nabers more than Jameis!
Now you have Wilson who turned Pickens from WR29 to WR40.
Fantasy-wise I choose Winston over Wilson for Nabers, but it's pretty close. Either way, the NYG QB will be a fantasy dud, but they can support one WR1.
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.
But why?

I feel like I'm in the minority here but can't understand why. Jameis Winston at his absolute starting peak, was still not as good as current Russell Wilson. Why would the Giants spend so much more on a guy who might not start? What does Winston do better than Russ?

I'm ok with the argument that Russ is getting older and that has increased injury risk (though that doesn't mean he will get hurt) but what possible argument is there for Winston to start week 1?
 
Winston has shown a willingness to take more risks with deep throws, which can lead to higher passing yardage in certain games. For example, he led the NFL in passing yards in 2019

Size and physicality. I'd also argue he might be able to galvanize his teammates more so than Russell Wilson. Russell will come in and say all the right things but behind the scenes he'll rub people the wrong way. Otherwise, he'd still be in Pittsburgh. He actually signed for less than what was initially thought.
 
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.
But why?

I feel like I'm in the minority here but can't understand why. Jameis Winston at his absolute starting peak, was still not as good as current Russell Wilson. Why would the Giants spend so much more on a guy who might not start? What does Winston do better than Russ?

I'm ok with the argument that Russ is getting older and that has increased injury risk (though that doesn't mean he will get hurt) but what possible argument is there for Winston to start week 1?
1. Wilson will be 37 this year. As much as Brady/Rodgers/Brees are referred to as QB's playing into their 40's so longevity at the position is increasing...all are GOAT status types. But we've seen lesser guys start to peter out around this stage of their careers (Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins). And for a QB whose mobility was a big part of their repertoire, I think we've been watching that decline with Russ for some time.

2. IMO, one factor of consideration here that I think bears mentioning is going to be chemistry with Nabors.

Jeudy w/Winston (7 starts) 69/49/786/3
Pickens w/Russ (8 starts) 59/33/537/3

Both QB's have alot of warts. To me, it will be about whose the best fit based on how they look come TC and factor #2 above.
 
For all the talk about Winston chucking it, Wilson actually has a higher yards per game average. Both can be good for Nabers.
 

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