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2 more turnovers. He was looking at a 4 turnover game but twice the ball hit the defender in the hands and they dropped it. His butter fingers also caused another fumble he was lucky to recover. No one covered Howard twice. Yeah, great game.Uncle Leo said:
He's a loser at 2-4 now. 
I did the exact same thing, and in another a league-mate did the exact same substitution. Will likely end up costing us both a Dub.Pipes said:
LT whiffed on the backside and Winston got absolutely crushed on the play where he fumbled. No QB in the league would have held onto the ball.2 more turnovers. He was looking at a 4 turnover game but twice the ball hit the defender in the hands and they dropped it. His butter fingers also caused another fumble he was lucky to recover. No one covered Howard twice. Yeah, great game.
Nothing wrong about my post. He overthrew Jackson on a deep pass that the defender was alone and it hit him in the hands and he flat out dropped it. Horrible pass bailed out by a drop by the other team. The other one was in the hands of the defender but stolen by Jackson, other wise that is also an INT by this inaccurate bum. I know it, Dirk knows it but he's stuck with it. Keep your dream alive though.
Technically he still has 2 and a half years left with the 5th year option. They still need to extend Evans, Kwon (who was invisible yesterday), Brate, and Marpet.
Going to be in a weird spot in a few years when they have to re-up some studs like Evans, Winston and Kwon, yet still have a mediocre team surrounding them.
That would be Wentz right now because he has a better coach and organization around him. Of course that is my totally subjective, biased opinion.
Jameis also has 16 more starts, has thrown 500 more passes, for 4500 more yards, 31 more TDs...and is a year younger. Org and coach are important, but I was referring more to his amount of game-time experience at a young age.
Watch Wentz tonight and see if he doesn't look like a QB who has a total understanding of the game in his second year in the league. Yes, he could have a stinker of a game tonight and I could end up looking really stupid, but I think developmentally this season he has looked like an 8 year veteran in terms of game awareness. He didn't have a great game with some of his throws against Carolina, but he still led the offense to 3 TD's and 2 FG's on a short week on the road against a strong defense.
I felt like this year and next year was the true "window" for them to be a significant contender. After that McCoy and LaVonte will no longer be true impact players and they'll take up a lot of the cap to keep them around. DeSean is probably done by then as well. Mega dollars will have to go to Evans and Winston so the free agents will be more difficult to attract.
The difference between the Eagles and the Bucs right now is Jim Schwartz. I love that style of defense and wanted him coaching the Bucs’ D bad.
If you watched last night's game, do you still think that Winston is more prepared for the future than Wentz?
You referenced the Pats game earlier - you really like basing things on one game huh
Not necessarily. But part of being ready for the future is showing up big in prime time. Winston did not fare very well in prime time against New England, Wentz has performed very well In prime time against Carolina and Washington. I agree with you that both QB's are very good and that how ready they are for the future is totally subjective. Gump seems convinced that Jamais is the most ready for the future, I am just trying to show him the Wentz is very much in the conversation.
No argument here. I'd be happy with either player and think both franchises are set at the position.
I'm confused. I heard he was the best young QB in the league about to get a record breaking deal.
You were listening to the wrong people. Listen to what I say about him if you want an accurate description.
That's a bit of an overreaction. He was great last week. His average points per game puts him at QB12 in my league which means he's worth starting.
Yup you're right. Looked back at his numbers and he's been pretty solid. Thought he would end up around top 6 but he's been serviceable
I have him on two teams and had him last year. I know the frustration. Last week I started Tyrod over him and Winston had a great game. This week I was confident in him and he sucked.
The entire organization is stupid and it starts at the top. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the coaching staff all get fired at the end of the season so the Glazer’s can bring Gruden back.
He's the one throwing the picks, he's the one fumbling the ball. Doesn't matter who your coach is if you have a turnover machine.
With a boatload of garbage time stats. If it really was the best passing O, they would be winning games, not losing them.
I’d like to see them play with a lead for a change. The opposing defense is teeing off on him.
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