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QB Jameis Winston, NO (10 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
Re-signing with Saints.
Doug B
Footballguy
2 years, $28 million, $21 million guaranteed.
That's like free for an NFL quarterback. The Saints should be able to make one more splash FA signing.
That's like free for an NFL quarterback. The Saints should be able to make one more splash FA signing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m eager to see which Winston shows up. 30/30 is HOF caliber in baseball - NFL, notsomuch.
Looked like Payton had him playing well, and very conservatively. Didn’t he average like 3 yards per throw?
Also didn’t have Michael Thomas, which could have an impact.
Could be Winston was the best value QB signing this offseason. Or it could be he’s the same reckless $10 arm, $.10 brain dude he was in TB.
Time will tell.
Also curious how long Kamara will be suspended for.
Looked like Payton had him playing well, and very conservatively. Didn’t he average like 3 yards per throw?
Also didn’t have Michael Thomas, which could have an impact.
Could be Winston was the best value QB signing this offseason. Or it could be he’s the same reckless $10 arm, $.10 brain dude he was in TB.
Time will tell.
Also curious how long Kamara will be suspended for.
Indeed a caveat for not having Thomas, but Winston was definitely not as good as his numbers suggested. He had something of an up and down season, where he had 2 really good games, and 2 really awful games, and was pretty meh, in the other 2 before getting hurt in another meh game.
Interestingly, he had both the lowest Average depth of target, and highest time to throw of his career, which is odd, because those 2 stats tend to counteract one another. Now Sean Payton is gone, and Winston feels like a guy to bet against to me.
I think QB is in play at #18.
Hot Sauce Guy
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If that's the plan, why spend any money on him, and just roll with Hill?
ETA: Actually, Hill is 7-2 as a starter the last 2 years. Maybe they should have just stuck with him regardless?
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Doug B
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Winston was incorporating the playbook incrementally week by week. By the time he was hurt, he had the bulk of it down (call it 3/4?).
Here were Winston's stats for 2021. At the time of his injury, he was at 7.3 yards/attempt (7.7 career), 12.3 yards/completion (12.6 career), and a career high in both passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt (a sabermetric measure).
BoltNlava
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Even a rough sailing season needs a skipper. Too bad the little buddy is going to be suspended. Ginger looking a little long in the tooth and limping on a bad ankle meant missing many episodes. The Howells are still throwing money at stuff and Maryann just had surgery on a thumb. Who would have thought that the professor would finally use his smarts and leave the Island?
Doug B
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The up-and-down thing is definitely true. I still think the best was yet to come for him at the time of his injury -- he had been on a short leash for the first few weeks, and there was also the first Panthers game where most of the team's coaching staff was out with COVID. The whole offense looked lost that day.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Capella
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He was there the year before too. He should’ve had the playbook down cold. That doesn’t sound like a legit reason.
BoltNlava
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Ya know you gotta wonder right? I thought that Hill was even more than smoke and mirrors. He was the best lipstick you've ever seen on a pig. Like amazingly good. It still was something that barely worked when it did. It was kinda obvious to the peanut gallery but with all that smoke it was hard to know for sure.
Doug B
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No, not as in "learning the plays" from a binder ... also the muscle memory, repetition aspect of learning an offense during live action. Payton was calling from a limited playbook in 2021, as he had done with Brees early on.
Drew Brees has said that it took him about two seasons to master Payton's offense. Not merely operate functionally and fulfill assignments, but to be able to deviate meaningfully from what was drawn up on the board.
Hot Sauce Guy
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I agree I thought he was about to take a next step when he got hurt. I was watching that game and I remember thinking that he looked more physically fit than he ever had. There was a play where he scrambled and IMO looked very nimble. Then he blew his knee out a little later.
Leroy Hoard
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Always seemed better in fantasy than real life.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Horrible is a stretch, he's a very limited passer for sure, but he's been an effective starter for them. I'd argue he's as good as Winston, when you factor in what he brings to the running game. Hill has been more accurate and a better decision maker than Winston, which is not me complimenting Hill.
Dr. Octopus
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He's a really bad passer. I'd rather hope that Winston becomes less reckless as he ages than to throw Hill out there as a full time starter.
Doug B
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FWIW, Winston's 2021 passer rating was 102.8 and Hill's was 75.4. To be fair to Hill, his rating in 2020 was 98.8 over four starts.
I can agree that Hill is more risk-averse with his throws, but that just means he eats the ball and either takes off running or takes the sack.
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Unless they draft a QB or end up with Mayfield (both would be better options) I think we'll see both Winston and Hill start games this season. I'm terrified of Winston without Payton.
I think bad is unfair, just limited. He completed over 70% of his passes in 2020, with a YPA of 7.7.
To be fair to Hill, he had a scary concussion, and then was playing through a similar, but not quite as bad finger injury as Wilson in 2021. I think 2020 is a more accurate representation.
Personally, I'd rather have both be backups.
The Frankman
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I've love to see Jameis with a full camp and having Thomas/Kamara/whatever they have at WR. He's still going to have an ADP north of #170 (11th round in 16-teamers), which means huge value if he can be good as a starter. He desperately needs am O-Line though, remember last year they had so many injuries to the line he was runnign for his life.
Grahamburn
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Payton is gone. Jameis talking about making big plays. Ballin. Check yo sheet.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Well, the trend of rosy outlook glowing updates seems to have hit a snag.
Wearing a brace, noticeable limp, practice field success did not translate to contact drills, and didn’t participate in 11 on 11 drills.
To be fair, probably to be expected in ACL recovery at this point, but there seemed to be a trend of growing optimism.
“NewOrleans.football's Nick Underhill reports Jameis Winston moved "with a visible limp" during last week's OTAs.
Winston is six months removed from surgery on the torn ACL he suffered in Week 7 of the 2021 season. "He practiced with a brace on his left knee and took part in every facet of practice, though he sat out the last period of 11-on-11 drills," Underhill reported. "The quarterback moved with a visible limp. He could push the ball downfield during individual drills but did not have the same ability in live action. Most of his passes during the team portion of practice stayed close to home." Underhill said Winston clearly "has some work to do in his recovery" from knee surgery. Head coach Dennis Allen has said Winston will be ready for training camp and will be the team's starting quarterback barring a setback. His progress will be well worth monitoring this summer.”
Wearing a brace, noticeable limp, practice field success did not translate to contact drills, and didn’t participate in 11 on 11 drills.
To be fair, probably to be expected in ACL recovery at this point, but there seemed to be a trend of growing optimism.
“NewOrleans.football's Nick Underhill reports Jameis Winston moved "with a visible limp" during last week's OTAs.
Winston is six months removed from surgery on the torn ACL he suffered in Week 7 of the 2021 season. "He practiced with a brace on his left knee and took part in every facet of practice, though he sat out the last period of 11-on-11 drills," Underhill reported. "The quarterback moved with a visible limp. He could push the ball downfield during individual drills but did not have the same ability in live action. Most of his passes during the team portion of practice stayed close to home." Underhill said Winston clearly "has some work to do in his recovery" from knee surgery. Head coach Dennis Allen has said Winston will be ready for training camp and will be the team's starting quarterback barring a setback. His progress will be well worth monitoring this summer.”
The Frankman
Footballguy
I mean it's 6 months after surgery. By the time the season starts will be 9 months after surgery, which still is pretty fast for recovery. I don't think he'll get PUP'd but the way rehab goes he could be ready for the season or miss the first 3 weeks.
dipandglide
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I'm coming around on Jameis having long term value in dynasty leagues (mostly Superflex). He's less cheap than he was a few months ago, but you can still get him for a late 1st or early 2nd. That's not a bad price given his age, upside, and how poorly the QB rookie class is this year. I don't recall a worse QB draft than this one.
The Frankman
Footballguy
If we can lock that in as the base O and now with no dumb Taysom Hill gimmicks, there's plenty of late sleeper appeal to Jameis at his 155-160 ADP. It's all up to Jameis to continue what he did last year with an improved offensive line.
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