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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

Aaron Hernandez has a new line of *STEALTH* sneaks that doesn't offer a lot of functional traction, but the treadless design is refractory to leaving footprints (comes with a rear auto-extending brush that is self-removing with each step).

 
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I seem to recall reading her original attorney (also her aunt) proposing a settlement of $7M.
That was an unsubstantiated claim by Winston's lawyer meant to defame the victim.
Yes and nothing they have done has been meant to defame Winston :towelwave:
God forbid someone defame a rapist. :rolleyes:
Prove it.
He seems obsessed with Winston and did he ever post in the AP thread about the child abuse that was proven?

At this point he has a belief and that is fine but there is nothing a little bad mouthing in a fantasy football forum is going to do about him likely getting picked 1.01 in the NFL draft and being a week 1 starter for his NFL team.
A man over-aggressively disciplining his child is similar to rape?

 
Can't wait for Winston to make all these people shut the eff up with ludicrous amounts of touchdown passes.

Oh, what, I'm a rapist? Touchdown to Evans.

What's that? Another crab legs joke? Touchdown to Austin Sefarian Jenkins.

I lost half my money in a civil suit? So what, I'm still a millionaire. Touchdown to Vincent Jackson.

 
It's almost draft day. Winston likely going number 1. $$$ cash in time!
If this was her motive she's costing herself money by potentially causing Jameis to slide. If this was a BS money grab she should have waited until after the draft.
This has been heard multiple times, and shot down (prosecutor refusing to charge, FSU absolving him, etc.). Knowing this, they weren't going to cost Jameis a chance at being drafted #1. Even if he did slip a bit, he'd still

be worth millions and she could have a nice payday.

 
I hope she never accepts a settlement and puts Winston, Darby, and Casher on the stand.
Unfortunately, her lawyer aunt asked for 6mil to make it all go away in the beginning. Kinsman's side has always been willing to accept a settlement.

 
It's almost draft day. Winston likely going number 1. $$$ cash in time!
If this was her motive she's costing herself money by potentially causing Jameis to slide. If this was a BS money grab she should have waited until after the draft.
This has been heard multiple times, and shot down (prosecutor refusing to charge, FSU absolving him, etc.). Knowing this, they weren't going to cost Jameis a chance at being drafted #1.

Even if he did slip a bit, he'd still be worth millions and she could have a nice payday.
If she causes him to fall to the 2nd round that's a difference of $20M guaranteed vs. $3M.

 
It's almost draft day. Winston likely going number 1. $$$ cash in time!
If this was her motive she's costing herself money by potentially causing Jameis to slide. If this was a BS money grab she should have waited until after the draft.
This has been heard multiple times, and shot down (prosecutor refusing to charge, FSU absolving him, etc.). Knowing this, they weren't going to cost Jameis a chance at being drafted #1.

Even if he did slip a bit, he'd still be worth millions and she could have a nice payday.
If she causes him to fall to the 2nd round that's a difference of $20M guaranteed vs. $3M.
:lmao:

 
Can't wait for Winston to make all these people shut the eff up with ludicrous amounts of touchdown passes.

Oh, what, I'm a rapist? Touchdown to Evans.

What's that? Another crab legs joke? Touchdown to Austin Sefarian Jenkins.

I lost half my money in a civil suit? So what, I'm still a millionaire. Touchdown to Vincent Jackson.
This is the exact mentality that gave Aaron Hernandez such a long leash and get away with a host of crap before murder. But you people are so invested in a team and its laundry, you'll shrug off rape, murder, child abuse, anything so long as your guy scores touchdowns.

 
Can't wait for Winston to make all these people shut the eff up with ludicrous amounts of touchdown passes.

Oh, what, I'm a rapist? Touchdown to Evans.

What's that? Another crab legs joke? Touchdown to Evans

I lost half my money in a civil suit? So what, I'm still a millionaire. Touchdown to Evans
fixed for you

 
Comparing him to Hernandez just completed my Winston is a rapist dumb comments bingo card. Where do I collect my set of pencils.

 
The Jameis Winston Rape Lawsuit Has Some Damaging New Information


On Thursday, April 16, two weeks shy of the NFL draft, Erica Kinsman filed a civil complaint against Jameis Winston, the FSU quarterback who will almost certainly be one of the draft's top picks. Kinsman is suing Winston for "sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress arising out of forcible rape" that she says happened early on the morning of December 7, 2012.

The lawsuit—obtained by VICE Sports and embedded at the bottom of this report—contains two new bits of information that could prove damaging for Winston.

The first is then-Winston teammate Ronald Darby's remorseful Facebook message the morning after the assault—Darby is one of two FSU players who was present the evening of the assault.

The second is that Kinsman's legal team has located the cab driver who took Kinsman to Winston's apartment the evening of the assault—something both the Tallahassee Police Department and state attorney's office had failed to do.

According to the suit Kinsman filed against Winston, on the evening of December 6, 2012, she met Winston—whom she did not know or recognize at the time—at a popular bar just off of FSU's campus. While there, a man who she believed to have been Winston "offered [Kinsman] a shot of an unknown liquor, which she consumed." She eventually ended up in a cab with Winston and two of his teammates, Chris Casher and Ronald Darby. Back at Winston and Casher's apartment, she says that Winston took her into his bedroom, removed her clothes, and raped her despite her protests. While Winston had her on the bed, the suit says, Darby and Casher were watching, with Casher filming part of it. The Tallahassee Police Department (TPD) did not interview Casher until November 2013 and by that time he said he had deleted the video and gotten rid of the phone.

The complaint adds a new wrinkle to this story: "Darby also entered the room but told Winston, 'Dude, she is telling you to stop,'" it reads. In response, Kinsman says, "Winston picked her up in a fireman's carry, walked her into his bathroom, deposited her onto the hard floor, and locked the door." Kinsman says that Darby then left.

For the first time ever, we learn that "the next day, [Darby] posted to his Facebook page 'I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh #stupid.'"

On the same day in November 2013 that the TPD publicly released a heavily redacted version of the initial police report, Casher and Darby, at the behest of Winston's lawyer and before police could interview them, drafted affidavits of what they remembered from that night 11 months earlier. In his affidavit, Darby said nothing about trying to stop Winston and instead swore that after Casher "walked in Jameis' room and the girl told Chris to get out," she then "got up [and] turned off the light and shut the bedroom door." Darby was was interviewed by the TPD 2 days after giving his affidavit. In that interview he did not say anything about intervening. Instead, he backed up what he said had sworn to two days earlier.

Finally, it appears that Kinsman's legal team has found the cab driver from the morning of December 7 that the TPD and state attorney were unable to locate. In her complaint, Kinsman says, "the cab driver observed the Plaintiff appeared to be impaired." This is a curious sentence because, so far, no one had located the cab driver. Whether Kinsman got into the cab on her own, whether she was intimidated into getting in the cab, and whether she knew what was happening while in the cab are questions that were raised during the disciplinary hearing and by people who question whether she has lied about the entire incident and is covering up for consensual sex she later regretted. What the cab driver has to say could matter deeply in how this case is perceived, especially regarding Kinsman's ability to consent that night.

 
Casher's police interview doesn't match up to his affidavit or Darby's affidavit and police interview.

In Casher's affidavit, as well as Darby's affidavit/interview, he says that he went into the room to try to have sex with her (see if she'd 'go to the floor') while Jameis was having sex with her she told him to get out and then got up and turned off the light.

However, in Casher's police interview he said that after he tried to have sex with her she said get out and he left but stood outside the door and continued to watch. Then he started filming them have sex and after a little while she saw him and then got up and turned off the light. This is about about the 3:30 mark in his police interview.

 
Darby was apparently so used to watching Jameis have sex with girls that he couldn't remember if she was on top of him when Casher walked in or doggystyle.

 
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So I guess when cstu said he was "letting it go" that meant all in.

Now tied with news-bot Faust. I didn't think that gap could be closed. Well done, sir.

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But I no longer think I'll get to chuckle at Buc fans saddled with this clown. Even Tampa can't possibly be so badly run they'll take this guy and his metric ####ton of red flags #1.

 
Comparing him to Hernandez just completed my Winston is a rapist dumb comments bingo card. Where do I collect my set of pencils.
If you read more closely, I was comparing more the fan support for two criminals who dismiss transgressions because it is perceived they are useful to winning football games. But, that said, the differences between Winston and Hernandez only amount to trading one awful act for another--murder v. rape. Neither should be minimized because he throws or catches touchdowns. We saw a lot of that in the Hernandez thread before he was convicted of murder, and we are seeing a lot of that now from a select group of Florida/Winston backers here.

 
Comparing him to Hernandez just completed my Winston is a rapist dumb comments bingo card. Where do I collect my set of pencils.
If you read more closely, I was comparing more the fan support for two criminals who dismiss transgressions because it is perceived they are useful to winning football games. But, that said, the differences between Winston and Hernandez only amount to trading one awful act for another--murder v. rape. Neither should be minimized because he throws or catches touchdowns. We saw a lot of that in the Hernandez thread before he was convicted of murder, and we are seeing a lot of that now from a select group of Florida/Winston backers here.
Well the other big difference is that Hernandez was charged and convicted of his crime and Winston was neither but yea same thing.

 
Comparing him to Hernandez just completed my Winston is a rapist dumb comments bingo card. Where do I collect my set of pencils.
If you read more closely, I was comparing more the fan support for two criminals who dismiss transgressions because it is perceived they are useful to winning football games. But, that said, the differences between Winston and Hernandez only amount to trading one awful act for another--murder v. rape. Neither should be minimized because he throws or catches touchdowns. We saw a lot of that in the Hernandez thread before he was convicted of murder, and we are seeing a lot of that now from a select group of Florida/Winston backers here.
Well the other big difference is that Hernandez was charged and convicted of his crime and Winston was neither but yea same thing.
Actually, Hernandez escaped big time trouble at UF. But, yeah, broadly speaking, the Tallahassee police department and boosters were very effective at protecting Winston, just as the UF police and boosters did their job with Hernandez.

 
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Congrats on picking #1 Tampa. This kind of luck is usually preserved for Philly. :lmao:
This really shouldn't be that hard, and I truly don't think Tampa takes him at #1. Instead, he takes a big-time fall. Jameis simply is not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place, let alone have to navigate a truly bad person (not "immature," but a bad seed) as the face of a franchise.

 
Congrats on picking #1 Tampa. This kind of luck is usually preserved for Philly. :lmao:
This really shouldn't be that hard, and I truly don't think Tampa takes him at #1. Instead, he takes a big-time fall. Jameis simply is not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place, let alone have to navigate a truly bad person (not "immature," but a bad seed) as the face of a franchise.
Tampa is definitely dumb enough to take the guy. The correct move is to trade down and let someone take Mariota #1.

 
"Simply not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place", even without the character concerns? Do you watch football? He throws too many picks over the middle but he's a stud, and he's never even dedicated an offseason to football yet.

 
Anyone not thinking Winston doesn't have major freaking red flags is simply being obtuse. That Facebook post, if true, reeks. It reeks to high heaven.

This guy...

oof.

 
"Simply not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place", even without the character concerns? Do you watch football? He throws too many picks over the middle but he's a stud, and he's never even dedicated an offseason to football yet.
Not throwing INT's is a big part of being a NFL QB.

Saying that he's going to greatly improve his decision making with an offseason dedicated to football is no different that me saying Mariota will learn to play under center during the offseason - they're both conjecture.

At least with Mariota you know the character you're getting. And if Mariota isn't the guy for the Bucs then a dominating DE is waiting to be picked.

 
"Simply not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place", even without the character concerns? Do you watch football? He throws too many picks over the middle but he's a stud, and he's never even dedicated an offseason to football yet.
Not throwing INT's is a big part of being a NFL QB.

Saying that he's going to greatly improve his decision making with an offseason dedicated to football is no different that me saying Mariota will learn to play under center during the offseason - they're both conjecture.

At least with Mariota you know the character you're getting. And if Mariota isn't the guy for the Bucs then a dominating DE is waiting to be picked.
My problems with Mariota aren't with him learning to tickle the centers balls while he takes the snap and learning the drops. I believe he can do that. My questions are with his ability to make anticipation throws. He made the right throws in college but rarely into tight windows before they were open. Winston is insane in that category, again with the caveat that he can be reckless over the middle.

 
Anyone not thinking Winston doesn't have major freaking red flags is simply being obtuse. That Facebook post, if true, reeks. It reeks to high heaven.

This guy...

oof.
What makes that quote even worse for Jameis is that both Casher and Darby stated to police that they were only at the bar for an hour and hadn't drank much. He also went back to his apartment during the alleged rape and didn't appear to be a big party night.

My guess is that he felt sick about what Jameis did and what Casher tried to do to her.

I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh #stupid

 
Would you rather have Jameis or RG3?
Right now? I'd swap Griffin for Winston immediately, if it was a straight magical swap and I didn't have to actually draft him at 5 with Griffin still on the roster. If I could have either of them as fully healthy clean slate rookie prospects, still Griffin. But he's not that guy anymore. And honestly if I put enough thought into it this probably wouldn't even be my answer, because regardless of physical health Griffin has already shown he's not picking up the mental side of the position in the pros.

 
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"Simply not talented enough to justify the pick in the first place", even without the character concerns? Do you watch football? He throws too many picks over the middle but he's a stud, and he's never even dedicated an offseason to football yet.
I think this is what you are being sold, and you're falling for it. He was a mess this year. He got fat, played terrible football the first half of virtually every game, and was absolutely evicerated, looked downright comical at times, against Oregon when it counted the most.

 

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