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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (6 Viewers)

Tool said:
Yeah I dunno, still have a hard time believing in Winston. 
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He needs to be more consistent early in the season. 2017 and 2018 he’s been pretty great down the stretch when the games no longer mattered. 

If he can cut down the turnover rate and the new look defense can get some stops/turnovers this is a playoff team. 

Fans of NFC South opponents did not like this hire. 

I think Tampa Bay finally has a competent coaching staff. 

 
As a Winston owner I’m ecstatic over this hire.  Anyone hear how Winston is doing in controlling his drinking problem?  Staying on the straight & narrow?

 
Bronco Billy said:
As a Winston owner I’m ecstatic over this hire.  Anyone hear how Winston is doing in controlling his drinking problem?  Staying on the straight & narrow?
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I haven't seen any stories about him being out on the town in Tampa or anything.  Supposedly he was absolutely smashed when the Uber drive incident happened, but that was back in 2016. 

I'm looking forward to seeing what, if anything, changes with Jameis because of Bruce.  The only thing holding Winston back are the interceptions.  Arians runs a similar offense to  Koetter's.  The big difference for the team as a whole will likely be on the other side of the ball in all honesty.

 
Grahamburn said:
I haven't seen any stories about him being out on the town in Tampa or anything.  Supposedly he was absolutely smashed when the Uber drive incident happened, but that was back in 2016. 

I'm looking forward to seeing what, if anything, changes with Jameis because of Bruce.  The only thing holding Winston back are the interceptions.  Arians runs a similar offense to  Koetter's.  The big difference for the team as a whole will likely be on the other side of the ball in all honesty.
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Very  :goodposting:

 
The first time I saw Winston play it was his frosh season at FSU, the guy was incredible. I had never seen a better performance by any college QB. 

I do think he can come on, he just has too much talent.

 
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New Bucs coach Bruce Arians believes "so much" of Jameis Winston's issues with turnovers are "mechanical."

"Clyde [Christensen] has watched every throw he’s made since his rookie year and Byron [Leftwich], too," Arians said. "And it’s like you’re trying to look safeties off too long and your feet are crossed. So much of it is mechanical." Arians also blamed the organization for consistently putting Winston in bad situations. "Anybody down 21 is going to throw a pick or two and he’s down 21 a bunch." Whether or not Arians can develop Winston into a consistent, reliable starter will define his tenure in Tampa Bay.

Source: Tampa Bay Times

 Feb 11 - 11:49 AM
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Jameis Winston hopes to play at 250 pounds this season.

That's 19 pounds heavier than his listed weight of 231. Winston's physique has been a recurring thread throughout his career. The former Heisman Trophy winner has previously made efforts to slim down but this year he's putting an emphasis on muscle to improve his durability. "I’m going to play bigger this year," said Winston in an interview at coach Bruce Arians' charity golf tournament in Arizona. "A solid 250. It’s just about hydration and being at the peak body, too." Heading into the final year of his current deal, Winston will have plenty to prove in 2019.

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times

Mar 24, 2019, 6:50 AM
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FMIA Guest: PFF On How Data Is Changing NFL’s Present And Future

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6. We think Jameis Winston will challenge for the passing yardage title in 2019. Last year he trailed only Josh Allen in average depth of target. These throws put Winston in a position to do great things at times (he was second among quarterbacks in the percentage of throws we grade as “positive”), as well as bad things (he was 21st in limiting negatively-graded throws). New Bucs head coach Bruce Arians has a track record of succeeding with high-variance quarterbacks like Winston.  In 2015 Carson Palmer had an MVP-caliber season under Arians, posting roughly the same average depth of target as Winston in 2018 and leading the league in percentage of positively-graded throws.  With Mike Evans, Chris Godwin and O.J. Howard a very capable trio of pass catchers, look for Winston to either make good on his 2015 draft position or give the Bucs no other option but to find his replacement the following year.
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For Winston and Mariota, 2019 Will Be a Make-or-Break Season

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Clyde Christensen’s view on where Jameis Winston is, as a pro, is in part colored by some research he did before getting his hands on his new quarterback in April.

Knowing he had to instill confidence in the 25-year-old former first-rounder, and develop a partnership with him, the Buccaneers’ new quarterbacks coach dived into the numbers on comparable players at the position—highly drafted and thrust into a starting job right away. Christensen found that, while acknowledging Winston had work to do, his issues were hardly outliers among his peers.

One example came with the perceived (and probably real) primary problem in Winston’s game: He threw 58 interceptions over his first four years. Just like Andrew Luck threw 55, Cam Newton threw 54, and Matthew Stafford threw 54 (despite missing 19 games due to injury).

Heck, Peyton Manning—Peyton Manning—threw 81.

“Your first four years, you throw a bunch of interceptions,” Christensen said over his cell just after the Bucs broke for summer last week. “Almost all of them did. [Matt] Ryan had less, but they ran the ball in Atlanta, he went to a little bit better football team. But you look at all the numbers, [Winston] had thrown for fourteen-thousand yards. I just hadn’t seen [the Bucs] on TV and they hadn’t won.

“So I wasn’t aware of it, but his numbers were solid for a guy who missed a couple of games with injury, a couple of games with suspension. His numbers were right up in there with all the others, what we would assess as really good players.”

OK, now here’s the flip side.

If we’re judging the Bucs by their actions, they’re seeing the flaws too. The GM who drafted Winston, Jason Licht, is still there, and Winston hasn’t gotten the second contract that serves as affirmation of a QB’s standing as his franchise’s face. They hired Bruce Arians—whose memoirs were entitled The Quarterback Whisperer—as head coach. Arians hired quarterback gurus Christensen and Byron Leftwich.

More simply put, Tampa emerged from four years with Winston lacking a clear answer whether he’s the right quarterback for the franchise, and the team reconfigured its football operation this year to get that answer. Christensen has no problem conceding the second part of this complicated equation.

“You’re going into your fifth year, you’re not the rookie anymore,” he said. “It’s time. Stuff really should show up now. That fourth and fifth year, the sixth year, is when it should click. Now, you have to put a supporting cast around him, and give him a chance too. That’s a big part of this thing. But you’re a veteran guy now. Dumb interceptions are not OK, bad judgment’s not OK, that stuff is what you’ve been working on for four years, getting the experience.”

What’s really fascinating about this summer subplot in the NFL? The team that drafted a quarterback right after Tampa took Winston in 2015 is going through the exact same thing.
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Let's run some numbers...

408 completions (5th in NFL)

624 attempts (3rd in NFL)

5358 passing yards (1st in NFL)

36 passing TD's (3rd in NFL)

447.40 fantasy points (2nd in NFL)

The above numbers are the combined stats for Winston & Fitzpatrick last year.  This year, there will be no QB carousel in TB.  Jameis is in the last year of his rookie contract, and he is playing for a new one.  His backup is Blaine Gabbert, who is no threat to supplant him.  TB was one of only 2 teams to produce a WR1 (Evans), WR2 (Humphries), and WR3 (Godwin).  ATL was the other, BTW.  Humphries is gone of course, making Godwin the clear cut WR2 in TB, and he should excel.  OJ Howard and Cameron Brate are 2 very capable TE's who combined for 850/11.  TB did nothing to bolster their running game in the offseason.  And their defense blows.  They gave up 464 points, second only to OAK, with 467.  TB's games were the 3rd highest scoring, trailing only KC and LAR.  TB is in for another year of shootout games, and Winston is the benefactor.  If Winston plays all 16 games, how can he not finish in the top 6, at the least?   

 
TheWinz said:
Let's run some numbers...

408 completions (5th in NFL)

624 attempts (3rd in NFL)

5358 passing yards (1st in NFL)

36 passing TD's (3rd in NFL)

447.40 fantasy points (2nd in NFL)

The above numbers are the combined stats for Winston & Fitzpatrick last year.  This year, there will be no QB carousel in TB.  Jameis is in the last year of his rookie contract, and he is playing for a new one.  His backup is Blaine Gabbert, who is no threat to supplant him.  TB was one of only 2 teams to produce a WR1 (Evans), WR2 (Humphries), and WR3 (Godwin).  ATL was the other, BTW.  Humphries is gone of course, making Godwin the clear cut WR2 in TB, and he should excel.  OJ Howard and Cameron Brate are 2 very capable TE's who combined for 850/11.  TB did nothing to bolster their running game in the offseason.  And their defense blows.  They gave up 464 points, second only to OAK, with 467.  TB's games were the 3rd highest scoring, trailing only KC and LAR.  TB is in for another year of shootout games, and Winston is the benefactor.  If Winston plays all 16 games, how can he not finish in the top 6, at the least?   
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All excellent points and I fully agree, big year coming. That is, If you can handle the up and downs with the interceptions and mistakes, he's a perfect later round QB. Don't know what his ADP is but he should be relatively cheap at auction compared to the likes of Watson and Brees. I do see a lot of games of the type 450/3/3 like last year unless huge improvements have been made in his decision making and accuracy but he has a cannon arm and tons of weapons.

 
LionOfGosforth said:
All excellent points and I fully agree, big year coming. That is, If you can handle the up and downs with the interceptions and mistakes, he's a perfect later round QB. Don't know what his ADP is but he should be relatively cheap at auction compared to the likes of Watson and Brees. I do see a lot of games of the type 450/3/3 like last year unless huge improvements have been made in his decision making and accuracy but he has a cannon arm and tons of weapons.
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Just to be clear, I don't think Winston is a great QB - he is just in a perfect situation - great receiving weapons, no running game, and a crappy defense.  Peyton Manning in his prime could put up 6K yards and 60 TD's... and rush for 5 TD's!  OK, I will dial back the 5 rushing TD's.  Winston can throw all the INT's he wants, as long as he doesn't get yanked.  It will just turn into more passing yardage.  Oh, and let's not forget, Winston can run too.

 
I decided to do some quick research on a team's win-loss record as it pertains to QB fantasy rankings.  I went back 5 years, and only concentrated on the top 6 QB's each year, for a total of 30 QB's.  It's a fairly small sample size, but the results were still surprising.  Of all 30 QB's, only 6 had losing records (20%).  And of those 6, 5 had records of 7-9.  The only QB on a crappy team went 5-11 in 2015, and his name was....  Blake friggin Bortles!

Here's to hoping Winston can make it to 7 wins.

 
TheWinz said:
Just to be clear, I don't think Winston is a great QB - he is just in a perfect situation - great receiving weapons, no running game, and a crappy defense.  Peyton Manning in his prime could put up 6K yards and 60 TD's... and rush for 5 TD's!  OK, I will dial back the 5 rushing TD's.  Winston can throw all the INT's he wants, as long as he doesn't get yanked.  It will just turn into more passing yardage.  Oh, and let's not forget, Winston can run too.
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Like you said, the #2 is Blaine Gabbert, Winston's leash will likely be unlimited this year. Perfect QB for a QBBC.

 
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travdogg said:
Like you said, the #2 is Blaine Gabbert, Winston's leash will likely be unlimited this year. Perfect QB for a QBBC.
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Agree.  TB has put their chips on Winston for 2019, and he knows it.  Of all NFL QB's this year, he is the most likely to reach 5K, even ahead of... gulp... Mahomes.

 
TheWinz said:
Agree.  TB has put their chips on Winston for 2019, and he knows it.  Of all NFL QB's this year, he is the most likely to reach 5K, even ahead of... gulp... Mahomes.
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I'm putting my money on Matt Ryan to lead the NFL in passing yards. 

4,500 yards and 29 TD's feels like a fair over/under for Winston. No reason he won't be a solid QB1, with top-5 upside.

 
travdogg said:
I'm putting my money on Matt Ryan to lead the NFL in passing yards. 

4,500 yards and 29 TD's feels like a fair over/under for Winston. No reason he won't be a solid QB1, with top-5 upside.
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I won't argue with you on Matt Ryan, as he was my #2 to reach 5K.  I think both will finish top 5, along with Mahomes, Luck, and Watson.

 
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Bucs coach Bruce Arians said Jameis Winston has shown "consistency" during training camp.

Winston has struggled with consistency since entering the league, regressing each of the last two seasons. He has a clean slate under a new coaching staff and there's hope a change in mechanics can cut down on his turnovers. The Bucs haven't done much to upgrade his supporting cast, but playing in a better scheme gives Winston a chance to rehab his value in a make-or-break 2019.

SOURCE: Carmen Vitali on Twitter

Aug 3, 2019, 9:20 AM ET
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Jameis Winston said he is focused on improving his decision making.

"Be a game manager when I need to. Be a playmaker when I need to. Check it down when I need to. Cut my losses and throw the ball away when I need to," Winston told NBC Sports' Peter King. "It’s a part of learning the game — understanding a throwaway is okay. If a defense gets you on a play, it’s okay." New coach Bruce Arians and OC Byron Leftwich appear to be happy with Winston's progress -- Arians said he has seen "the light go on" -- but the quarterback has not earned the benefit of the doubt after throwing 58 interceptions in 56 career games. If he can limit those mistakes, however, the Bucs have the firepower for one of the best passing games in the league.

SOURCE: Football Morning in America

Aug 5, 2019, 11:27 AM ET
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Jameis Winston said he is focused on checking down more this season.

"But sometimes checking that ball down is the simple decision," Winston said. "It’s about moving the chains. It’s about a completion here and a completion there. And that’s how you know the game really slows down is when you’re able to do that." New coach Bruce Arians likes to involve his running backs as pass catchers, while Winston has two pass-catching tight ends at his disposal. The theme of Winston's camp has been improved decision-making. Whether he can actually translate that to the regular season will define the Bucs' 2019.

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times

Aug 6, 2019, 2:26 PM ET
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 Thank you BRUCE ARIANS and the NON EXISTANT TB DEFENSE........ I'm officially sucked in again for another year.

  :football:

TZM

 
One of the better skt

TZMarkie said:
 Thank you BRUCE ARIANS and the NON EXISTANT TB DEFENSE........ I'm officially sucked in again for another year.

  :football:

TZM
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One of the better situational situations of FF.  Guy can suck and he will still be throwing that thing all over the place.

 
TheWinz said:
Consensus right now is QB14 - I think he has a real shot at nearing 5K and 35ish TD's
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Yeah, that has me thinking of taking him and a slightly safer option in the later rounds this weekend in my IDP draft. 

 Even if he’s more like 4000/32/12 interceptions, he is still a  relative bargain at that price. 

 I think he and cam Newton may be the two biggest values at quarterback this year.  

 
I waited until the 10th RD this year and vomited a little in my mouth while taking Winston.  Wanted Goff.  He went rt before my pick.  I am cautiously optimistic on Winston but my god is he a knucklehead and he burned me last year big time.  Wasn’t planning on going back to the well with him but here we go!  Lol 

 
rickyg said:
I waited until the 10th RD this year and vomited a little in my mouth while taking Winston.  Wanted Goff.  He went rt before my pick.  I am cautiously optimistic on Winston but my god is he a knucklehead and he burned me last year big time.  Wasn’t planning on going back to the well with him but here we go!  Lol 
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Geoff/Winston would be a great free fall 1/2 (saying this not having checked their BYEs)

 
So went with Mahomes early and took Winston as my back-up. If Winston looks good, can potentially trade Mahomes or Winston to solidify my RB or WR positions. Valid strategy?

 
dhockster said:
So went with Mahomes early and took Winston as my back-up. If Winston looks good, can potentially trade Mahomes or Winston to solidify my RB or WR positions. Valid strategy?
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No matter how good Winston does he will have no trade value.  If he lights it up in sept/oct you can definitely trade Mahomes for a good tier rb or WR. 

 
Faust said:
If you aren’t convinced Jameis Winston can still be a star, by all means, read on

Byron Leftwich on Jameis Winston: 'This kid is perfectly fine’
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Hard to see much value in that first author’s article when I read the headline under the picture and both statements are false.

“No other quarterback in NFL history has thrown for as many yards (14,628) or touchdowns (88) before turning 25, but there are still huge question marks about whether Jameis Winston has the complete game to be a star in the NFL. TIMES ARCHIVES.”

More TDs... Marino.

More yards... Bledsoe.

 
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