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Didn't happen.I just think it’s shortsighted to write the dude off
Didn't happen.I just think it’s shortsighted to write the dude off
Your post implied that there’s nothing to get excited about.Didn't happen.I just think it’s shortsighted to write the dude off
48 targets in 9 starts (5.3/game). 91 targets in 18 games played (5.3/game). 10, 8, 8, 8, 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 2, 1, 1And when (briefly) healthy, he was hyper targeted & produced.
27th overall & fifth WR off the board (6th depending on how you view Pitts).He’s every bit the talent they drafted in the 1st round
That is your interpretation. I put out the stats and said "Hooray?" To be clear: "Hooray?" does not = "Bad" "Hooray?" = "We have no idea what to expect from this guy." Any other interpretation is on you.Your suggestion that his games played = reason to not be excited comes off as either willfully ignore or disingenuous - that was my point.
The interpretation is you.Your post implied that there’s nothing to get excited about.Didn't happen.I just think it’s shortsighted to write the dude off
Was that not you?
HmmThe interpretation is you.Your post implied that there’s nothing to get excited about.Didn't happen.I just think it’s shortsighted to write the dude off
Was that not you?
Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken said "there's not a throw [Lamar Jackson] can't make."
Monken said he's been impressed by Jackson's passing prowess during offseason workouts. That's a decidedly positive development as the Baltimore offense is primed to be more pass heavy in 2023 than it ever was under former OC Greg Roman. More passing volume should be excellent for the fantasy prospects of Mark Andrews and the team's pass catchers. Rotoworld's Zachary Krueger recently broke down Jackson's career passing numbers in the Ravens team preview.
SOURCE: Jeff Zrebiec on Twitter
Jun 14, 2023 at 12:41 PM ET
Allen attempts 9 more passes per game so the per game numbers would reflect that. Completion %, Y/A, TD%, INT% are slim margins between the two over their last 1,000+ passes. Lamar has slightly better comp % & y/a and Allen has slightly better TD% & INT%. I do believe Allen is a better passer thus far but the margin isn't as wide as people perceive.Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some timeJackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.
Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.
I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.
And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer
We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.
If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.
Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.
Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.
Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.
I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.
But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.
I THINK that with the same number of attempts, Lamar can probably hit 4,000 yards.Allen attempts 9 more passes per game so the per game numbers would reflect that. Completion %, Y/A, TD%, INT% are slim margins between the two over their last 1,000+ passes. Lamar has slightly better comp % & y/a and Allen has slightly better TD% & INT%. I do believe Allen is a better passer thus far but the margin isn't as wide as people perceive.Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some timeJackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.
Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.
I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.
And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer
We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.
If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.
Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.
Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.
Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.
I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.
But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.
Great point and I have no idea. Particularly with a relative unknowns commodity at offensive coordinator.I THINK that with the same number of attempts, Lamar can probably hit 4,000 yards.Allen attempts 9 more passes per game so the per game numbers would reflect that. Completion %, Y/A, TD%, INT% are slim margins between the two over their last 1,000+ passes. Lamar has slightly better comp % & y/a and Allen has slightly better TD% & INT%. I do believe Allen is a better passer thus far but the margin isn't as wide as people perceive.Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some timeJackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.
Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.
I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.
And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer
We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.
If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.
Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.
Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.
Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.
I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.
But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.
But I also don't think saying completion percentage and y/a mean they're equal in passing ability.
Defenses gameplan based on what you do. Teams know the Bills throw it a ton. The defense adjusts for that. Allen sees more players in coverage.
Jackson's teams have all been run heavy. Defenses adjust for that.
If Jackson starts throwing it 40 times a game, he's going to see defenses drop more in coverage. Do his numbers hold up? We'll see.
Allen attempts 9 more passes per game so the per game numbers would reflect that. Completion %, Y/A, TD%, INT% are slim margins between the two over their last 1,000+ passes. Lamar has slightly better comp % & y/a and Allen has slightly better TD% & INT%. I do believe Allen is a better passer thus far but the margin isn't as wide as people perceive.Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some timeJackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.
Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.
I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.
And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer
We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.
If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.
Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.
Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.
Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.
I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.
But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.
I remember that, not the details but the broad strokes. It was an excellent post and quite convincing. I can't/won't argue against it somewhat because I think you may be right.Allen attempts 9 more passes per game so the per game numbers would reflect that. Completion %, Y/A, TD%, INT% are slim margins between the two over their last 1,000+ passes. Lamar has slightly better comp % & y/a and Allen has slightly better TD% & INT%. I do believe Allen is a better passer thus far but the margin isn't as wide as people perceive.Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some timeJackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.
Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.
I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.
And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer
We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.
If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.
Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.
Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.
Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.
I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.
But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.
Earlier in the thread, I posted a lot of metrics for Allen and Jackson in 2022, focusing on rate metrics to try to mitigate for Jackson played fewer games.
IMO Allen is a much better passer, and that will bear out over the next several seasons.
I would say Zay isn't a durability question ATM. I love Andrews but the stat line of him starting 15 games last year is highly misleading. He was extremely hobbled for, what, five, six games?There are durability questions about all of his playmakers except for Andrews.
However, if they can stay relatively intact, it's the best weapons he's ever had. Seriously lacking playmakers for a while now, throwing the ball to Devin Duvernay, and the 3rd TE.
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Jeff Zrebiec
DeCosta on Lamar Jackson: Lamar’s attitude has been excellent this year. I think last year was a challenging year for a lot of reasons, obviously, just where he was with his contract. This year, his enthusiasm has been fantastic. He’s throwing the ball very, very well."
More DeCosta on Jackson: "He’s been able to build a great rapport with the WRs very, very quickly. He’s taking care of his body. He seems really into the offense – he's excited about it. He has an awesome relationship with his coaches, and he worked very hard this offseason."
I heavily targeted him in all of my redraft leagues.I think I own Lamar in maybe 5% of my leagues, not heavily invested nor am I a Ravens fan...but just have a feeling he's going to explode this year. Maybe even finish #1. Granted, I believe Flowers is going to be legit out of the gate and I think Bateman is going to be a fantastic asset at his ADP.
Lamar Jackson completed 17-of-22 passes for 169 yards and one interception in the Ravens’ 25-9, Week 1 win over the Texans.
The debut of the Todd Monken offense wasn’t as explosive as we hoped for, but Jackson did connect on several nice passes throughout the day, which included a beautifully thrown deep ball to Odell Beckham Jr. late in the fourth quarter. The Ravens looked particularly sluggish in the first-half, but ramped things up in the second-half, scoring two touchdowns in the third quarter. Jackson managed just four rush attempts on the day, with at least half of them coming on scrambles to evade pressure. It wasn’t pretty, but it was a win, as the Ravens now prepare for a Week 2 matchup against the Bengals.
- Rotoworld
Run? No! Let him pass more. Lamar is an under rated passer. He has good receivers for a change. They get even better once Andres gets healthy.With Dobbins going down and the other RB's are so-so I really hope they let Lamar run a bit more, especially on those goal line situations.
With all them Lineman out, I do think he is going to be rolling out a lot more. I know they are trying to go to a pass heavy offense but I can see him getting a lot of rushing yards in this one. Should be an interesting game on both sides, hopefully high scoring.
It was my understanding that Lamar can't throw accurately.
Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
Agreed. Sometime we overthink things and get cute. No way I roll Jimmy G or Dalton over Lamar. No matter the matchup. You drafted Lamar as your starting QB . You start him.Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
What if you start him and but already have the Browns D? Do you start both?Agreed. Sometime we overthink things and get cute. No way I roll Jimmy G or Dalton over Lamar. No matter the matchup. You drafted Lamar as your starting QB . You start him.Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
I usually don't think that way and just start the best regardless of matchup.What if you start him and but already have the Browns D? Do you start both?Agreed. Sometime we overthink things and get cute. No way I roll Jimmy G or Dalton over Lamar. No matter the matchup. You drafted Lamar as your starting QB . You start him.Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
Agreed. Sometime we overthink things and get cute. No way I roll Jimmy G or Dalton over Lamar. No matter the matchup. You drafted Lamar as your starting QB . You start him.Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
Agreed.Agreed. Sometime we overthink things and get cute. No way I roll Jimmy G or Dalton over Lamar. No matter the matchup. You drafted Lamar as your starting QB . You start him.Whatever. Even if both outperform Lamar this week it's still overthinking the situation IMO.It all depends on your options.Not loving the matchup in week 4 @CLE. That D looks legit.
Could be a long day especially if all these starters aren't back from injury.
Drafted LJ to avoid a weekly QB carousel, but I'm at least going to peek at WW options.
Crickets.
A little concerned. His track record against CLE isn't the greatest and this D looks legit.
He's still too loose with the ball and this offense is far from clicking.
Not sure I have any other options. More importantly, I'm not sure I have the coconuts to sit him.
Not sexy, but:
* Jimmy G (if healthy) @LAC
* A. Dalton @MN
Both of those secondaries are horrendous.
Thirded. I wonder how many people tried to get cute and bench Chase this past week because of his first two weeks of poor performances and the obviously hobbled Burrow. I know I was very close to being in that boat and remembered elite players are elite, regardless of matchups. Would have lost this week if he wasn't in my starting lineup. If you were deciding between Lamar or Goff/Cousins I could see it more. But considering the Red Rocket over him just feels.... bad.