I had assumed he did not know Lamar would send that tweet which I took as a major sign of a crack in the relationship.
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The tweet below is coming from Sammy Watkins, who may be insane(https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2889029-what-sammy-watkins-believes), but can't help but think he's not the only one who thinks this way and this is the kind of stuff that can blow up in a hurry.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I suspect more players feel that way than we think. Yes, they all want to get paid, but they are putting their bodies on the line out there every week while their star QB is possibly not playing because he is more worried about his payday.
And if Jackson really is as hurt as he is saying, why would the Ravens pay him? This will be the 2nd year in a row where he didn't finish the season because of an injury (3rd if you count not finishing the Buffalo playoff game when he was concussed two years ago), and while people love to say he is an MVP QB, he has not consistently played at an MVP level since 2019. The Ravens are in a tough spot, as they are in QB's no-man's land without him, but if they overpay a QB who cannot stay healthy and who has likely already peaked, that will hurt the team.
And if Jackson really is as hurt as he is saying, why would the Ravens pay him? This will be the 2nd year in a row where he didn't finish the season because of an injury (3rd if you count not finishing the Buffalo playoff game when he was concussed two years ago), and while people love to say he is an MVP QB, he has not consistently played at an MVP level since 2019. The Ravens are in a tough spot, as they are in QB's no-man's land without him, but if they overpay a QB who cannot stay healthy and who has likely already peaked, that will hurt the team.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Obviously not a doctor but live with knee issues arising from a life of pretty high level sport from my teens to early 30s. What knee sprain remains with Inflammation and swelling for SIX weeks ? That seems weird to be honest, especially when you have access to all the best doctors and physio and having the knee recover quickly is the main focus of your life
massraider
Footballguy
When an IRON MAN like Sammy Watkins speaks up, and insinuates you might be dogging it, you better listen up people.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Quincy Carrier
@Kwen_C
Ravens organization hans't done right by Lamar at all, this is gonna get ugly when that tag deadline hits
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Nitro The Wunderkind
@Nitro_Quantum
All Harbaugh has to SAY!!! But he WONT!!! #RavensFlock
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@Kwen_C
Ravens organization hans't done right by Lamar at all, this is gonna get ugly when that tag deadline hits
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Nitro The Wunderkind
@Nitro_Quantum
All Harbaugh has to SAY!!! But he WONT!!! #RavensFlock
LINK to video
Tanner9919
Footballguy
is he really hurt though, or is he playing possum here? I'm more inclined to think he's shutting himself down with fake injuries when he knows he can play. Cleary the Ravens read this and the death punch is Jackson laying down for a playoff game when the world knows he's a faker with this injury. Ravens cut him, no doubt. they don't need him he can't win playoff games. he's faking this so that he doesn't get in a game and get hurt when he potentially has 100mil on the line. if he blows a knee out, he misses 2023 season. but the Ravens are jumping for joy, saving a ton of $, dumping a QB that can't win a big game if his life depended on it.
reminds me of that chump L. Tomlinson laying down vs. Pats in a championship game when Rivers, who was also hurt, played his friggin butt off. its the playoffs I dont care that you're hurt, take a pain killer shot and gtf out there.period.
reminds me of that chump L. Tomlinson laying down vs. Pats in a championship game when Rivers, who was also hurt, played his friggin butt off. its the playoffs I dont care that you're hurt, take a pain killer shot and gtf out there.period.
I’m not sure he’s necessarily faking an injury, but it does feel like something he could probably play through if his contract situation were different. That seems to be what Watkins was insinuating, and I’m sure he’s not the only one in that locker room that shares that opinion.
massraider
Footballguy
This Sammy Watkins?
That's the correct one, right? ✌
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Um...Maybe you and almost no one else feels that way about LT. Out of the two Rivers has more of a choker vibe than LT. Seriously. Just nope.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Questions for the Sharks...
-Do we have any concrete evidence that Lamar Jackson is dogging it? What would dogging it be defined as exactly?
-Does everyone agree that it was quite noble of Lamar Jackson playing out his Rookie deal and 5th year option that Baltimore evoked?
Many seem to feel like Jackson has somehow done something to deserve the punishment of the 5th Year Option that Baltimore used which was likely part of the reason he was drafted in the 1st round to begin with. I often wonder what is fact and what is fiction. Maybe the Ravens are high 5'n behind closed doors because so far things have gone exactly as they planned when talking contract. Kyler Murray screamed bloody murder after 3 years and forced Arizona to pay up and did not play his 4th or 5th year on his rookie deal, Jackson did and gets **** thrown in his face for doing it.
I love how people make assumptions and try to read into the minds of the Owner, FO and Coaching Staff.
-Do we have any concrete evidence that Lamar Jackson is dogging it? What would dogging it be defined as exactly?
-Does everyone agree that it was quite noble of Lamar Jackson playing out his Rookie deal and 5th year option that Baltimore evoked?
Many seem to feel like Jackson has somehow done something to deserve the punishment of the 5th Year Option that Baltimore used which was likely part of the reason he was drafted in the 1st round to begin with. I often wonder what is fact and what is fiction. Maybe the Ravens are high 5'n behind closed doors because so far things have gone exactly as they planned when talking contract. Kyler Murray screamed bloody murder after 3 years and forced Arizona to pay up and did not play his 4th or 5th year on his rookie deal, Jackson did and gets **** thrown in his face for doing it.
I love how people make assumptions and try to read into the minds of the Owner, FO and Coaching Staff.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Death Punch?
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The Frankman
Footballguy
This is a little information on a sprained PCL
Now doctors say Lamar has a Grade II/Grade III. We already know he had significant swelling/knee inflammation and he's said the knee feels unstable/he'd be at risk of his knee completely giving out. People saying he should "play through it" is the same line of reasoning as the people who felt Tua should go out there with a concussion...
Now doctors say Lamar has a Grade II/Grade III. We already know he had significant swelling/knee inflammation and he's said the knee feels unstable/he'd be at risk of his knee completely giving out. People saying he should "play through it" is the same line of reasoning as the people who felt Tua should go out there with a concussion...
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep.
Not playing is explainable. But Lamar just cost himself a lot of money (unless there’s a good explanation). He wasn’t wrong that he deserves a better contract than Watson got. But it sure looks like he’s pouting and a bad teammate. Supposedly he’s good friends with Huntley, who should be starting in Baltimore next year imo.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Deserve's got nothing to do with it. Just because Cleveland overpaid big time for Watson doesn't mean every other team now had to overpay for their QB as well. I think the Ravens are too smart of an organization to give that kind of money to a QB who, while still good, hasn't been close to the MVP level he was at in 2019 and who hasn't been able to finish a season healthy in years. Being durable is part of being a great QB.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yeah I was surprised he didn't travel with the team. He had been on the sideline during the regular season after he was injured. I gotta think he had a legitimate reason for not going
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Nope.
A horrible look would be an injured franchise QB sitting in a luxury box then panning the camera to him every time his backup struggled implying that he SHOULD rub dirt on whatever injury he has and get down on the field even if it ruins the rest of his career and that is what 'some' insane fans desire.
Much better for an franchise QB to lay low till they are healthy instead of putting up with the nonsense.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't think you need to be an expert Kremlinologist to suspect that something is up when the team's marquee player is getting publicly called out by teammates and doesn't even travel with the squad to a playoff game. Stuff like this doesn't happen when all is well.
zamboni
Footballguy
I disagree. Unless medical staff instructed him not to attend with his ailment (which I doubt), it shows little support for your team. I doubt it will have any weight in team brass’s mind about keeping him around, but maybe it should.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Because one team gave a bad contract does another team have to match that bad contract?
Jackson can do whatever he wants. One thing was telling though, there were other players who were hurt in street clothes on the sidelines with the team. Jackson was at home. Say what you want about potential future earnings but he is the highest paid Raven and getting paid 23 million dollars this season.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I think showing up as a team leader should be reason enough, but I’m old school.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
That is fine but if he showed up would you still think he's lying?
I know that most would and that is why I'm fine with him staying away from that toxicity.
Last year he didn't play the final six games, Ravens lost them all, but no one was claiming he was faking last year.
This year?
Contract impasse so obviously he's lying.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Bit of a trend here. Maybe Jackson needs to lower his demands.
zamboni
Footballguy
Maybe because he/she would tell him to show up.
Regardless lying or not, he should have been there to support the team.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
There is a trend with NFL QB contracts and paying rookies the rookie minimum until their contract is up when they get paid.
NFL's highest-paid quarterbacks by 2022 salary, guaranteed money and total contract value
...Fourteen NFL quarterbacks are signed to deals worth more than $100 million, per Spotrac.com. Most of the others are on rookie-scale deals or possess high backup price tags. The middle class for quarterbacks is largely gone; there are no quarterbacks being paid between $37 million and $117 million in total contract value.
| Rank | Player | Value |
| 1 | Patrick Mahomes | $450 million |
| 2 | Josh Allen | $258 million |
| 3 | Russell Wilson | $245 million |
| 4 | Kyler Murray | $230.5 million |
| 5 | Deshaun Watson | $230 million |
| T-6 | Dak Prescott | $160 million |
| T-6 | Matthew Stafford | $160 million |
| 8 | Aaron Rodgers | $150.8 million |
| 9 | Matt Ryan | $150 million |
| 10 | Jared Goff | $134 million |
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It’s Huntley’s team now. I’m going to assume Lamar was hurt and didn’t want to be a distraction.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm on record saying Lamar will probably get the guaranteed money he wants. I just don't think it's going to be Baltimore, and I think that's clearly a smart choice by them. Let the dumb teams pay these egregious contracts to QBs that don't win or are in decline.
I could understand and buy that, but hadn't heard it from Lamar or anyone in the organization.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Miami would be dangerous with Lamar.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Understood, but I do think there’s a real good chance that one of the dozen or so teams in need of a QB would pay up. I don’t think it helps that he didn’t travel with the team.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Those three, panthers, saints, Washington, jets.
Miami with Lamar is scary. NYJ might be scarier.
Boston
Footballguy
The easy answer is any team that needs a QB that is not cap-strapped…there tends to be a pretty big market for 26 year old QBs who have won an MVP award.
Tau837
Footballguy
So what? The Ravens would have placed Jackson high in that list if he had been able to negotiate terms to an agreement.
Tau837
Footballguy
How many 26 year old QBs with an MVP award have ever been made available to other teams? Has it ever happened before? IMO it's a sign that people who simply characterize Jackson as a "26 year old QB with an MVP award" are overlooking the cons associated with his pros. It is a factual but incomplete description.
I also disagree that any team that needs a QB and is not cap-strapped would want him and everything associated with him (injury risk, expected contract value/terms, own agent, need to transform offense around him). I'm sure there will be at least one team, but I don't think there will be many. I also think it is most likely that team will not achieve the level of success with him they want.
IMO it is in Jackson's best interest to make it work in Baltimore if he hasn't already burned that bridge to an unsalvageable degree.
Boston
Footballguy
No one is overlooking the negatives…they are very obvious…what is being overlooked in your post is the history of NFL teams reaching for QBs whether it is thru the draft, FA or trades…it is simply what happens in this league…the Browns just dealt a boatload of picks and gave a guaranteed contract to a guy that had a litany of off field issues…if Lamar becomes available there will be a very strong market for him…now, whether it is the right thing to do is a totally different conversation.
Tau837
Footballguy
My point is, it is literally unprecedented for a 26 year old MVP QB to become available. The reason(s) for that unprecedented situation will likely limit his market.
Boston
Footballguy
That is one angle…the other would be it is such a rare occurrence teams will pounce on that situation.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
If I were in Lamar's situation -- going through a contract negotiation and more injured than expected during a playoff push -- and I wanted to remain in Baltimore, I would be bending over backwards to show that I was a good soldier. Not only would be I on the sideline with the rest of the team, but you couldn't get me out of the building. I would be living in the treatment room and film room. First of all, that's what a team should expect from its franchise QB. You're the leader. Act like it. But also, I don't want to do anything that even gives the impression of dogging it. I would have the self-awareness to know that this looks kind of bad, so I would do everything I possibly could to remove any whiff of a suspicion of being less than 100% committed to my team.
Lamar's not doing that.
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