Chaka
Footballguy
If only the NFL could find a way to appeal to demographics other than middle aged white men.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Oakley
Bose
Visa
StatusPRO
Courtyard hotels
Lowes
Madden NFL
Fly supply
Owns Era 8-Apparel
Blaze Pizza.
He's hurting for companies and endorsements
Bose
Visa
StatusPRO
Courtyard hotels
Lowes
Madden NFL
Fly supply
Owns Era 8-Apparel
Blaze Pizza.
He's hurting for companies and endorsements
Chaka
Footballguy
Great get. Where did you find this? I searched a couple times and only came up with Oakley (and Era 8 but that is still janky AF).
massraider
Footballguy
Ugly is ugly.
See Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger. Luck is a neck beard gomer looking mofo, and Big Ben looks like the worst frat-bro you ever wanted to see walk into the bar.
Chaka
Footballguy
And it looks like the Bose, Visa Lowes & Madden ones look to be NFL or NFLPA licensed advertisement. Not sure Lamar got much in return or how much of a voice he had in using his likeness.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I see another list online that also mentions EA Sports, Nissan, and Visa. At one point he was close to finalizing a shoe deal, but that seems to have stalled or fallen through.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He definitely missed out on shoes from all accounts
That seems like an easy endorsement for at least 1 of the major shoe brands
Just the fact he didn't have a lucrative deal with Nike or Adidas, one of the others should have come calling
RC94
Footballguy
John Elway and Sarah Jessica Parker. At least one of each of their parents was a horse.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
……I was wondering when someone would play the race card.
massraider
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
In both cases, I've always suspected Mr. Ed.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, you had to know it was a matter of time. Nothing to get really. It’s what people do these days.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Are you sure you understand what the "race card" is?
I most certainly did not, overtly or tacitly imply @massraider is racist. I'm a big fan of his and I think he knows it. I pointed out, subversively to be sure, that not everyone who watches the NFL may have the same views about Lamar's looks.
No race card there.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
QB Greg McElroy scored a 48. He won a National Championship with Alabama before getting drafted by the Jets. Never won an NFL game. But he has as many shoe deals as Lamar does, so there's that.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Here is a list of the Wonderlic scores from the 12 QBs drafted in 2020 or who participated and agreed to them.
Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13
And all this time I thought Miami would be upgrading from Tua to Jackson, now I'm left to wonder.
Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13
And all this time I thought Miami would be upgrading from Tua to Jackson, now I'm left to wonder.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You said middle aged white men, so I said that was playing the race card. It has nothing to do with anything you said towards massraider except that.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't view that as any form of race baiting. I am sorry it was taken that way by anyone. I'll have to think about that. No worries either way.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
One of the rare misses at QB for the Jets.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
unless i missed something article is about teams inquiring about the #3 pick, not MurrayCardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.www.dailymail.co.uk
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I think you have things backwards. Six teams called about acquiring the #3 pick, not Murray.Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
habsfan
Footballguy
Aren't they calling for the pick (not Kyler)?Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
unless i missed something article is about teams inquiring about the #3 pick, not MurrayCardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
I think you have things backwards. Six teams called about acquiring the #3 pick, not Murray.Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Aren't they calling for the pick (not Kyler)?Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Message to self when posting at 6 in the morning before the first cup of coffee...
The Kyler Murray photo did nothing to slow me down
I think the point is that you had to google it.
For whatever reason, aside from maybe a Madden NFL fan - noone would know or recognize or associate Lamar with any of these.
Chaka
Footballguy
Also many, if not most of those are NFL or NFLPA licensed deals (Bose, Visa, Madden for sure). And they look like one-offs. Lamar was never the spokesperson for Visa, they just put an image of him in Ravens gear in a card. I'm not sure what kind of authority the player has to negotiate or receive compensation on those but it's probably not much on either count.
Point being I don't give Lamar much credit for making those deals happen.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am asking because I don't know, not to be a Richard. How many NFL players get multiple / huge endorsement deals? I live in NE, so I saw plenty of Brady / Gronk / Edleman commercials. And I've seen several other QBs get some love (Mahomes, Rodgers, Peyton, some Eli). But are Burrow or Herbert getting national spots from Gatorade? Getting Nike shoe deals? Appearing on the cover of Madden? Jaguar or Rolex ad campaigns on the pages of GQ? Maybe they get regional things like Dunkin' Donuts or car dealerships? I can't really say I have paid much attention to NFL players appearing in commercials / ads / promotional campaigns. Is that a big thing for these guys (I am being serious here)?
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Seems more like you're just so hellbent on pushing an agenda that you read whatever you want to read.unless i missed something article is about teams inquiring about the #3 pick, not MurrayCardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
I think you have things backwards. Six teams called about acquiring the #3 pick, not Murray.Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Aren't they calling for the pick (not Kyler)?Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Message to self when posting at 6 in the morning before the first cup of coffee...
The Kyler Murray photo did nothing to slow me down
MTskibum
Footballguy
Baker Mayfield.
I agree with your premise though, not many QB's get nationally televised commercials.
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK but to not have one national commercial cycle after his MVP year was surprising, and I think it would have happened had he an agent.
FTR so as not to confuse some of the tangents of this thread; I am talking about his lack of advertising $$$ as a failure of his self-representation. He has certainly missed opportunities since 2020.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Most of the recent MVPs got some national advertising exposure (Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton accounted for 14 MVPs). IIRC, Cam Netwon had a Campbell's soup campaign. But I don't remember seeing anything after guys like Matt Ryan or Adrian Peterson won . . . or farther back guys like LaDainian Tomlinson, Shaun Alexander, Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon, etc. Maybe football sponsors advertise more during games but aren't as interested in getting player endorsements?
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe, IDK.
I think it is fair to say Jackson the agent missed opportunities. Others disagree. Whatareyagonnado?
ETA: After his MVP season Ryan signed deals with Panini, IBM, Delta Airlines, Gatorade, Nike, Banana Republic, and Mercedes-Benz. I doubt he does work for any of them at this point, but he had his national exposure cycle in 2017.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The headline to me looked like they wanted Murray and it has his picture in the window of the storySeems more like you're just so hellbent on pushing an agenda that you read whatever you want to read.unless i missed something article is about teams inquiring about the #3 pick, not MurrayCardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
I think you have things backwards. Six teams called about acquiring the #3 pick, not Murray.Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Aren't they calling for the pick (not Kyler)?Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Message to self when posting at 6 in the morning before the first cup of coffee...
The Kyler Murray photo did nothing to slow me down
Cheers!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Don't know how accurate this is, but it doesn't sound like many NFL players rake in extra money from endorsements. Top 10 players based on their endorsements from last year:
01 - Tom Brady ($52M)
02 - Patrick Mahomes ($20M)
03 - Russell Wilson ($14M)
04 - Dak Prescott ($12M)
05 - Aaron Rodgers ($11M)
06 - Josh Allen ($4M)
07 - Natthew Stafford ($2.5M)
07 - Kirk Cousins ($2.5M)
07 - Stephon Diggs ($2.5M)
10 - T.J. Watt ($1M)
If there are only 9 players in the league making more than $1M in endorsements a year, that's a miniscule number based on how many players there are in the league.
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01 - Tom Brady ($52M)
02 - Patrick Mahomes ($20M)
03 - Russell Wilson ($14M)
04 - Dak Prescott ($12M)
05 - Aaron Rodgers ($11M)
06 - Josh Allen ($4M)
07 - Natthew Stafford ($2.5M)
07 - Kirk Cousins ($2.5M)
07 - Stephon Diggs ($2.5M)
10 - T.J. Watt ($1M)
If there are only 9 players in the league making more than $1M in endorsements a year, that's a miniscule number based on how many players there are in the league.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
That seems off.
Either way, Lamar made less than a million from endorsements last year then?
That seems impossible unless he hates money.
Also, I am guessing an agent would help with the contracts for the endorsements. This seems painfully obvious.
massraider
Footballguy
It's not like the NBA. Just the shoe deals in the NBA are crazy
Chaka
Footballguy
That seems about right. I would suggest that if Lamar had an agent he would fall in the Stafford/Cousins/Diggs range. His best opportunity for one off money came after his MVP season, for that single year I think it could have been between Allen & Rodgers on your list. He made some money for sure but I think he left a lot of meat on that bone.
How much he can get now, so far removed from his MVP and off two semi-down years is debatable. But failing to maximize his MVP season makes his starting point much lower.
Again, my only premise is simply Lamar the agent cost himself a lot of money. Just because he will eventually pocket around $150 mil doesn't make that loss acceptable.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If believing that Lamar Jackson has played his last down of football for the Baltimore Ravens is an agendaSeems more like you're just so hellbent on pushing an agenda that you read whatever you want to read.unless i missed something article is about teams inquiring about the #3 pick, not MurrayCardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
I think you have things backwards. Six teams called about acquiring the #3 pick, not Murray.Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Aren't they calling for the pick (not Kyler)?Cardinals are 'considering trading No. 3 pick in NFL Draft'
The Cardinals are considering trading the No. 3 overall pick in this month's NFL Draft, according to a new report. After going 11-6 in 2021, Arizona took a massive step back last season.
-For some reason it's hard to digest that 6 teams call or want Kyler Murray meanwhile Lamar Jackson can't even get a campus tour anywhere
Message to self when posting at 6 in the morning before the first cup of coffee...
The Kyler Murray photo did nothing to slow me down
One that has been echo'd by the MVP Quarterback himself,
Well I guess MoP is guilty as charged
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jackson's a bum, that's the agenda for those who don't wish for his services
He's whiffed on Millions and Millions of dollars and even when presented with companies he is associated with, still not good enough.
The guy isn't worth 2 nickels to a lot of NFL fans.
That's sorta where we are at now
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Chaka
Footballguy
There are a lot of tangents flying around here.Jackson's a bum, that's the agenda for those who don't wish for his services
He's whiffed on Millions and Millions of dollars and even when presented with companies he is associated with, still not good enough.
The guy isn't worth 2 nickels to a lot of NFL fans.
That's sorta where we are at now
Less Filling-Tastes Great and in honor of that and lightening up the mood a little in here...
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
To clarify I believe: 1) Lamar the agent is not very good at his job (one contract and six one off NFL ads don't prove otherwise) 2) the Ravens should absolutely pay the man, or another team should work a sign and trade for him. He's too good not to. 3) Talk of changing schemes or injury risk is overblown excuse making. 4) he is not an ugly man (certainly no uglier than dough face Stafford, horse face Mannings or King Punchable face Rodgers).
Don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees just want to make sure no one is mistaking my positions for those of others.
Agree with everything but for a caveat. The Ravens 3 year deal is what I would offer.... anything over 3 years is a bad bet imo.There are a lot of tangents flying around here.Jackson's a bum, that's the agenda for those who don't wish for his services
He's whiffed on Millions and Millions of dollars and even when presented with companies he is associated with, still not good enough.
The guy isn't worth 2 nickels to a lot of NFL fans.
That's sorta where we are at now
Less Filling-Tastes Great and in honor of that and lightening up the mood a little in here...
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
To clarify I believe: 1) Lamar the agent is not very good at his job (one contract and six one off NFL ads don't prove otherwise) 2) the Ravens should absolutely pay the man, or another team should work a sign and trade for him. He's too good not to. 3) Talk of changing schemes or injury risk is overblown excuse making. 4) he is not an ugly man (certainly no uglier than dough face Stafford, horse face Mannings or King Punchable face Rodgers).
Don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees just want to make sure no one is mistaking my positions for those of others.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think 3 years $138-150 mil sounds like a great compromise but 4 years from now a $46-50 mil QB won't be a cap killer so why not go for 4? I think the injury concern is overblown, as is the talk of limited offensive schemes. Plus he'll only be in his age 29 season so I'm not seeing a huge risk of decline.Agree with everything but for a caveat. The Ravens 3 year deal is what I would offer.... anything over 3 years is a bad bet imo.There are a lot of tangents flying around here.Jackson's a bum, that's the agenda for those who don't wish for his services
He's whiffed on Millions and Millions of dollars and even when presented with companies he is associated with, still not good enough.
The guy isn't worth 2 nickels to a lot of NFL fans.
That's sorta where we are at now
Less Filling-Tastes Great and in honor of that and lightening up the mood a little in here...
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
To clarify I believe: 1) Lamar the agent is not very good at his job (one contract and six one off NFL ads don't prove otherwise) 2) the Ravens should absolutely pay the man, or another team should work a sign and trade for him. He's too good not to. 3) Talk of changing schemes or injury risk is overblown excuse making. 4) he is not an ugly man (certainly no uglier than dough face Stafford, horse face Mannings or King Punchable face Rodgers).
Don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees just want to make sure no one is mistaking my positions for those of others.
Do you or anyone know if you add voidable years to a contract if at the expiration of that deal, when the voidable years have voided the remainder of the contract, can you still use the franchise tag? To me this answer to this is key if what you and many others have suggested would make that kind of contract structure work for Baltimore.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Rumor is he signed
Chaka
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Did you start it?
grateful zed
Footballguy
FF today posted it it was a snaffu, sorry guys
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Wonder what a Lamar Jackson signed race card is worth?
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