Man In The Box
Footballguy
This is true, unfortunately. I think the last time a player won the MVP on a non-playoff team was way back in the early 1970’s.If they don't make the playoffs he's "ineligible" for the award.
This is true, unfortunately. I think the last time a player won the MVP on a non-playoff team was way back in the early 1970’s.If they don't make the playoffs he's "ineligible" for the award.
The Seahawks also don't have the Eagles OL. LAR may just match up better with the Seahawks, which is why they held Wilson to his second worst performance of the season earlier this year. Looking at recent opponents might not be the best metric.LAR didn’t look too tough this weekend vs the Eagles
The Seahawks also don't have the Eagles OL. LAR may just match up better with the Seahawks, which is why they held Wilson to his second worst performance of the season earlier this year. Looking at recent opponents might not be the best metric.
Or, the Seahawks hadn't quite gelled and the Rams were firing on all cylinders when they met up earlier in the season. Now the Seahawks are hot, so looking at the first time they played may not be a wise comparison.
Hard to really say either way, but my suspicion is Wilson will be closer to his floor than his ceiling this week. I'll start him, but am tempering expectations. I'll be more than happy to eat crow if I'm wrong.
They are hot on offense, which is what is relevant to the prospects of starting Wilson this week. Using one of my typical scoring leagues as a data source, in the 5-2 start, Wilson averaged 26.7 ppg; in the 3-3 stretch since then, he is averaging 30 ppg.
After starting 5-2 start, the Seahawks are 3-3 since. That is hot?
After starting 5-2 start, the Seahawks are 3-3 since. That is hot?
JWB picked up my intention. I could have phrased it better, but for fantasy purposes their offense has been on a tear recently, especially Wilson.They are hot on offense, which is what is relevant to the prospects of starting Wilson this week. Using one of my typical scoring leagues as a data source, in the 5-2 start, Wilson averaged 26.7 ppg; in the 3-3 stretch since then, he is averaging 30 ppg.
The Seattle defense has just fallen apart, they will be giving up points. Seattle has no RB's and Wilson runs well, has decent WR's and TE to throw to. It's the perfect storm for QB points.They are hot on offense, which is what is relevant to the prospects of starting Wilson this week. Using one of my typical scoring leagues as a data source, in the 5-2 start, Wilson averaged 26.7 ppg; in the 3-3 stretch since then, he is averaging 30 ppg.
IN the same boat...when AR went down I went out and made a deal for RW and I think you have to continue to roll with him, although you have to think AR wants to throw the ball all over the yard, and show the NFL just what it was missing. Goff should be slinging the ball around this weekend too so I have to think RW might be just doing the same.Likely rolling him out this weekend over Aaron Rodgers (assuming Rodgers is cleared and an option for me to start). LAR is tough, especially against the Seahawks, but Wilson feels unbenchable at this point.
Do we see Goff having a big game?The Seattle defense has just fallen apart, they will be giving up points. Seattle has no RB's and Wilson runs well, has decent WR's and TE to throw to. It's the perfect storm for QB points.
The Rams should be able to do things on offense. If Wagner and/or Wright are out on top of the other injuries then why not. I wouldn't be super happy starting him because it's still crazy in that stadium but this defense is definitely much lesser version of previous ones Goff has faced.Do we see Goff having a big game?
Dallas more forgiving than the LAR. Expect better results vs. last week.Now what? Wilson ranked in the top 3 this week on most boards. Do you trust him and / or SEA to rebound @ a fired up Cowboy team and ZEKE sustaining drives and running the clock?
Yeah, my thoughts exactly about clock killing drives, but it could also be a shootout and quick scores too?Dallas more forgiving than the LAR. Expect better results vs. last week.
Also getting a couple LBs back. My biggest fear with Dallas is their potential for time of possession and clock killing. Getting some defensive reinforcements back will help.
All that said, I keep tinkering with the thought of benching for Foles. In the end, I think Wilson stays in my lineup. There's just too much potential there for him to win you a championship all by himself.
You answered my question above this post. Just Cam...I'd only bench him for Cam this week, and I don't have Cam.
Cam.Yeah, my thoughts exactly about clock killing drives, but it could also be a shootout and quick scores too?
Who else would you start if you had anybody to choose from? Superman, Brady, Keenum, Foles, Brees, Stafford, Dak, Big Ben... See what I mean? Giving a choice of 32 QB's to start this week who would you pick?
Gotta go with Wilson.A frustrated Wilson owner from last week just dropped him to go with Brees. We had Wentz, now Big Ben, and looking at picking up Wilson. Crazy.
Gotta go Wilson, right? Gotta believe in a bounce back and knowing LAR D is that good, and DAL is only average. Only concern is DAL running the clock with Zeke. Yet, one never can predict game flow and game script.
I'd go Wilson, but Ben shouldn't be far behind.A frustrated Wilson owner from last week just dropped him to go with Brees. We had Wentz, now Big Ben, and looking at picking up Wilson. Crazy.
Gotta go Wilson, right? Gotta believe in a bounce back and knowing LAR D is that good, and DAL is only average. Only concern is DAL running the clock with Zeke. Yet, one never can predict game flow and game script.
I agree that Seattle quit and is imploding.Deciding between Big Ben and Wilson. Talked with several SEA homers last night and they think the team is imploding in several areas. All I really care about is how will Wilson perform fantasy wise? Loosing Antonio Brown makes me lean Wilson > Big Ben.
There’s a big difference between box score watching & on-field performance.Wilson is the #1 scoring QB in our league by a decent amount. He’s had 2 down weeks and both were vs LAR. Yes teams know he is the only offensive weapon..they’ve known that all year. He simply is a nightmare to defend and is 90 percent of their offense. I’ll take that risk knowing he can easily put up big points in a heartbeat. Starting him with confidence.
Nice analysis. And I may just keep Big Ben plugged in... I sense they are juiced up and ticked off from the bitter loss to NE. Yes, they have Bell and the two very capable WR 2/3 and perhaps Jesse James will get a redemption score. Big Ben is in now, and I'll be looking at Wilson this morning trying to get a feel. You're correct - SEA is imploding on sooo many fronts and Russell can only do so much.I agree that Seattle quit and is imploding.
Sure, Ben lost AB. Ok, he’s still got two fantastic receivers in MBryant & JuJu, and he’s got a RB who can take it to the house on any given screen.
Plus unlike Seattle Roethlisburger has
1. An OL that gives him time to make more than 1/2 a read before pressure &
2. An excellent run game to keep the defense off balance.
The former is important, but the latter is key to success on offense.
Seahawks can’t protect Wilson, and they have no running game to speak of. Defenses have been spying Wilson to limit the damage with his legs, including chasing him down on the roll-outs. IMO that’s the single biggest factor in the abuse they took from the Rams - all Wilson had left was the roll-out and they took that away. If Dallas didn’t go to school on that, they don’t belong in the NFL.
BR is also facing the worst pass defense in the NFL in a game the Steelers need to win. To me that more than compensates for BR’s road splits.
I would suggest you’re overthinking this one. Personally I’d make Roethlisburger my pony and it would be a quick decision.
but that’s all just like, my opinions, maaaaaaan.
That’s the crux of it.SEA is imploding on sooo many fronts and Russell can only do so much.
When I analyze all the potential stats the rushing yards give Wilson a slight edge and a chance for a rush TD, however, ZEKE could very well perform similar to Gurley and DE's could very easily t off on Wilson for 5-6 sacks too! Like you said, teams key on this roll out and escapability to make that ad libbed last moment throw, almost "desperation like" that has worked some. With Big Ben we kinda know what we're gonna get and the being on the road concept balances itself out because they must win and they will. Plus, the pass D really sucks in HOU now. I'd like to see 300 yards and 3 scores out of Ben. I'm not asking too much, am I?That’s the crux of it.
i am not a Wilson hater (though definitely bitter) - dude earned my respect long ago, and certainly this season.
But that team’s about out of the bubble gum & spit that was holding it together.
And since you’ve got a very good option in Big Ben against a bad pass D, it makes it a much easier decision.
That’s my feeling too - perfect example of past performance not being a guarantee of future success.I see many have Wilson plugged in being the #1 QB in fantasy up to last week, but now is now.
For the Dallas D/ST maybe.Wilson is a top 5 start this week. Don’t overthink this.
Who’d you end up starting?Nice analysis. And I may just keep Big Ben plugged in... I sense they are juiced up and ticked off from the bitter loss to NE. Yes, they have Bell and the two very capable WR 2/3 and perhaps Jesse James will get a redemption score. Big Ben is in now, and I'll be looking at Wilson this morning trying to get a feel. You're correct - SEA is imploding on sooo many fronts and Russell can only do so much.
Never works out well when you question the heart of a champion.and his team appears to have quit on him.
Lmao - he was terrible. If not for 2 gift turnovers by the Cowboys in their own red zone, Wilson has a sub 100 yard, 0 TD game.Never works out well when you question the heart of a champion.
Your reference above wasn’t about Wilson, it was about his team “quitting” on him.Lmao - he was terrible. If not for 2 gift turnovers by the Cowboys in their own red zone, Wilson has a sub 100 yard, 0 TD game.
In Seattle it was the Seahawks quitting on themselves and Wilson against the Rams.Your reference above wasn’t about Wilson, it was about his team “quitting” on him.
Perhaps I misunderstood. Who specifically did this quitting?
You suggested that his team quitting on him was justification to bench him moving forward. That didn’t happen. If anything his team stood up and showed why you shouldn’t question the heart of a champion.How does the game against the Cowboys have anything to to with my quote about their truly gutless choke job last week?
It was.You suggested that his team quitting on him was justification to bench him moving forward. That didn’t happen. If anything his team stood up and showed why you shouldn’t question the heart of a champion.
How convenient for you.the Seahawks only won because the Cowboys sucks more this week.
What a weird exchange. Enjoy your obsession over someone’s opinion.How convenient for you.
He runs around like a chicken with it's head cut off even when there is no pressure. Route running is useless on that team. You can't finish the route before he has turned his back on the D and started spinning around like a top. Jimmy is useless in this backyard football. Only quick little WR have any value. Keep Wilson contained is the book on him right now until he starts playing QB again.Lmao - he was terrible. If not for 2 gift turnovers by the Cowboys in their own red zone, Wilson has a sub 100 yard, 0 TD game.
Agreed. They didn’t address the OL in The off-season. They scrapped together some guys & then when the mediocre guys got hurt they’re just bubble gum & spit.He runs around like a chicken with it's head cut off even when there is no pressure. Route running is useless on that team. You can't finish the route before he has turned his back on the D and started spinning around like a top. Jimmy is useless in this backyard football. Only quick little WR have any value. Keep Wilson contained is the book on him right now until he starts playing QB again.
Big BenWho’d you end up starting?
Woot! Congrats!Big Ben
Narrowly got the win. Had to sweat out Agholor last night.
There is no other QB in the league that can do what he does and not gotten killed.He runs around like a chicken with it's head cut off even when there is no pressure. Route running is useless on that team. You can't finish the route before he has turned his back on the D and started spinning around like a top. Jimmy is useless in this backyard football. Only quick little WR have any value. Keep Wilson contained is the book on him right now until he starts playing QB again.
I disagree with you here too, but only in the sense that he’s a better “typical” quarterback than he looks.I think Russell Wilson is a much better QB than he looks
Weird. I distinctly remember having a discussion with you following last season where I said that Wilson has been on a down slide ever since his fantastic rookie season. You disagreed and said he was one of the up and coming/top QBs in the league. I referenced 2016 as his worst statistical performance of his young career. You defended him again referencing most of those INTs came from one game (you wanted to do one of those, "take away that one game" moves).I disagree with you here too, but only in the sense that he’s a better “typical” quarterback than he looks.
To be clear, I’m not one to defend Wilson. I was defending the team. They certainly didn’t quit last week.
Wilson is far from a prototypical quarterback. The knowledgeable writers that cover him weekly are starting to comment more and more. He misses obvious throws far too often and creates his own sacks when his tackles do their job well. Wilson has some major flaws in his game that are showing up more often. I don’t disagree that he’s a unique talent making it tough to judge his performances compared to others. Overall I’m glad he our QB in Seattle, but he’s far from perfect.