QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (1 Viewer)

[The Longtime Lurker]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

What happened to this laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart but I was pretty sure the coaches were not going to be as thrilled as certain. individuals in the Shark Pool

I still maintain it was an ill advised pass in the red zone where you can't afford to turn the ball over, he managed to throw the TD but that didn't earn him any points with the coaches
I'm sorta in your guys camp

 

[Ghost Rider]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

This hurt Tebow and likely kaepernick

 

[Chaka]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

What happened to this laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart but I was pretty sure the coaches were not going to be as thrilled as certain. individuals in the Shark Pool

I still maintain it was an ill advised pass in the red zone where you can't afford to turn the ball over, he managed to throw the TD but that didn't earn him any points with the coaches
I'm sorta in your guys camp

I maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

 

[Ilov80s]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

This hurt Tebow and likely kaepernick

It did but I think Tebow's other big issue was playstyle. Teams generally want a QB who can come in and run the offense just like the starter was. Tebow's passing was so limited that to play him, you need to totally redesign the playbook.

 

[Bri]

Full obviously quote

https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1959599815408447526

 

[Chaka]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

This hurt Tebow and likely kaepernick

It did but I think Tebow's other big issue was playstyle. Teams generally want a QB who can come in and run the offense just like the starter was. Tebow's passing was so limited that to play him, you need to totally redesign the playbook.

Maybe the Jets should sign Tebow as a backup.

 

[Ilov80s]

Full obviously quote

https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1959599815408447526

It somehow makes it better and worse. He's right that of course every player on the team would say they feel like they belong and deserve to make the roster. But also the big smirk is a little strange.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

Very very well put.

If he doesn't make a large on field impact THIS season with current staff that drafted him, I don't see him long in the NFL (for the reasons you alluded above). He will have no better opportunity as this season competing with 40 year old Joe Flacco. And there's no guarantee how long this current staff remains in Cleveland. Particularly if this season goes as bad as last.

 

[Ilov80s]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

Very very well put.

If he doesn't make a large on field impact THIS season with current staff that drafted him, I don't see him long in the NFL (for the reasons you alluded above). He will have no better opportunity as this season competing with 40 year old Joe Flacco. And there's no guarantee how long this current staff remains in Cleveland. Particularly if this season goes as bad as last.

Yeah there's rarely a QB room in the NFL as bad and hopeless as Flacco, Gabriel, Pickett

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

Very very well put.

If he doesn't make a large on field impact THIS season with current staff that drafted him, I don't see him long in the NFL (for the reasons you alluded above). He will have no better opportunity as this season competing with 40 year old Joe Flacco. And there's no guarantee how long this current staff remains in Cleveland. Particularly if this season goes as bad as last.

Yeah there's rarely a QB room in the NFL as bad and hopeless as Flacco, Gabriel, Pickett

2024 Giants, “Hold my beer!”

 

[Faust]

Kevin Stefanski maintains ‘commitment’ to developing Shedeur Sanders

 

[Faust]

Shedeur Sanders explains frustration after not playing final minutes of Browns preseason win

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Nah, you guys are crazy. He's clearly superb, it's systemic racism that's making him play bad, not his own inability or arrogance.

 

[Faust]

Warren Sharp
Shedeur Sanders final stats:

5 sacks
3 completions
2.3 yards per attempt

net of -27 yards on 11 dropbacks

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1959347369528430992?s=61

for context, I have 9 years of play-by-play preseason stats

Shedeur Sanders is the only QB to take 5+ sacks on less than 15 dropbacks in any preseason game

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1959630334024130689?s=61

 

[Ilov80s]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

Very very well put.

If he doesn't make a large on field impact THIS season with current staff that drafted him, I don't see him long in the NFL (for the reasons you alluded above). He will have no better opportunity as this season competing with 40 year old Joe Flacco. And there's no guarantee how long this current staff remains in Cleveland. Particularly if this season goes as bad as last.

Yeah there's rarely a QB room in the NFL as bad and hopeless as Flacco, Gabriel, Pickett

2024 Giants, “Hold my beer!”

You say that but one of those QBs got signed on to start with an NFL team this year!

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.

He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.

A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves

Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.

Right, "good journeyman" is best case watching him play so far. It's good work if you can get it, but he's gonna have to unlearn some bad habits that he's been able to get by with so far.

It is hard to be a good journeyman, though, when you are bringing a media circus with you no matter where you go (how much of that is his fault is debatable, not really relevant to my main point). If you bring a circus, you had better be so good that you are a starter, otherwise you aren't gonna make it on to a team. It's why Tebow couldn't get a backup job after he was no longer starter despite still being good enough to be a good backup and usable in special situations.

Very very well put.

If he doesn't make a large on field impact THIS season with current staff that drafted him, I don't see him long in the NFL (for the reasons you alluded above). He will have no better opportunity as this season competing with 40 year old Joe Flacco. And there's no guarantee how long this current staff remains in Cleveland. Particularly if this season goes as bad as last.

Yeah there's rarely a QB room in the NFL as bad and hopeless as Flacco, Gabriel, Pickett

2024 Giants, “Hold my beer!”

You say that but one of those QBs got signed on to start with an NFL team this year!

2025 Colts, "Hold MY beer..."

 

[Bracie Smathers]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

 

[3C's]

Legendary

 

[pinkstapler]

I admittedly watch next to no college football outside of Bowl games during the season; it's all in condensed games to scout rookies for dynasty from like Feb-April. But I think Shedeur Sanders might be the most overhyped QB I've seen yet relative to the QBs actual talent. I don't think there's anything he does at an elite level, and many things he does below average as far as future NFL QB talent is considered. I wouldn't have him in my top 5 as of right now, and seeing cut ups of how some other guys did already week 1 (I see you Nico), this might drop even further. I'm sure some of his hype/media attention is due to Deion being Deion and what Colorado did/is doing; but to see some fantasy people putting him in the top 2-3 picks in SF seems pretty crazy to me.

I'm already getting the vibe that his believers will attribute any poor play on his part to his horrid OL. But I think the deficiencies with him are way beyond being behind a bad OL. When you look at his pressure to sack rate however, it shows that despite his poor oline play, he was still taking many, MANY more hits than QBs with very similar pressure rates. QBs like Williams and Maye had similar pressure numbers but wound up with about 16-18% pressure to sack rate. Sanders was at 25% last season, a number comparable to Sam Howell and Justin Fields.... And things people point to as positives like his deep ball accuracy to my eyes were greatly helped, if not outright covered for, by some excellent WRs who basically made all the adjustments to just put themselves in a position to catch it wherever he randomly launched it to. And most of these passes I saw were to wide open guys/broken coverages. Rarely if ever did I see him fitting balls into tighter/NFL sized windows, even when they were available. And while his accuracy numbers on short to intermediate passes looks great, watching the actual games, he seemed to get there largely by never taking any chances. It's good to control the ball and not commit turnovers, but if every time you are pressured your eyes immediately come up field and you're only working underneath, defenses will continue to clamp down and not respect the ball down field at all.

Open to being wrong due to my lack of college ball knowledge, but pending what goes on tape this year, I have a feeling he's one player I'm going to own practically nowhere if his value stays as high as it seems. Especially if he gets drafted to a below average/poor team. Hopefully he can improve some of this; standing/staying in the pocket, working up into it when pressured instead of always breaking the pocket, stop taking all the unnecessary hits/sacks, keeping his eyes downfield even when under pressure, work on his horrid batted balls numbers (I'm guessing just too long of a throwing motion) and shake what I think is a very obvious and glaring habit of playing small ball unless it's broken coverage down field.

It's who he's been for a very long time IMO. Post I wrote in Sept. of 2024

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Fact - Most draft evaluators who have no access to interviews rated Shedeur as a first round talent

Fact - NFL teams who have access to interviews didn't draft Shedeur until the fifth round

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

At this point, nothing else really matters. Shedeur made the team. They committed resources to seeing what they have. Shedeur has first round physical skills but remains a long shot developmental prospect. That's the reality, and the truth usually falls somewhere in the middle of all the strong opinions.

I don't want to make this political, but Shedeur reminds me a lot of Trump. You either love or hate him and rational thought is thrown out the window by both sides.

 

[Bronco Billy]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

 

[Bronco Billy]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

So you believe processing speed is a natural gift and not something that can be fixed with repetition and preparation? Geno Smith might disagree.

Arm strength is almost irrelevant in the NFL if you have timing. There are enough examples of successful weak armed but successful QBs in NFL history that I don't even think we need to debate this.

And his pocket presence is a weakness many highlighted pre-draft, but this is also something that can be fixed. It may be hard, but it can be fixed.

The only fact I have here is the Browns kept him around. That means something.

 

[Bronco Billy]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

So you believe processing speed is a natural gift and not something that can be fixed with repetition and preparation? Geno Smith might disagree.

Arm strength is almost irrelevant in the NFL if you have timing. There are enough examples of successful weak armed but successful QBs in NFL history that I don't even think we need to debate this.

And his pocket presence is a weakness many highlighted pre-draft, but this is also something that can be fixed. It may be hard, but it can be fixed.

The only fact I have here is the Browns kept him around. That means something.

Like I said, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. That he was touted by some high profile analysts as the top QB in the draft and then fell to the 5th round speaks way more than his surviving cuts up to this point.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

So you believe processing speed is a natural gift and not something that can be fixed with repetition and preparation? Geno Smith might disagree.

Arm strength is almost irrelevant in the NFL if you have timing. There are enough examples of successful weak armed but successful QBs in NFL history that I don't even think we need to debate this.

And his pocket presence is a weakness many highlighted pre-draft, but this is also something that can be fixed. It may be hard, but it can be fixed.

The only fact I have here is the Browns kept him around. That means something.

Like I said, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. That he was touted by some high profile analysts as the top QB in the draft and then fell to the 5th round speaks way more than his surviving cuts up to this point.

You don't think making the 53 as a 5th round pick means anything? Especially when you're eating up a roster spot as the 4th QB? Rational thought says yes, but I guess if you hate Shedeur that much already....

 

[Bronco Billy]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

So you believe processing speed is a natural gift and not something that can be fixed with repetition and preparation? Geno Smith might disagree.

Arm strength is almost irrelevant in the NFL if you have timing. There are enough examples of successful weak armed but successful QBs in NFL history that I don't even think we need to debate this.

And his pocket presence is a weakness many highlighted pre-draft, but this is also something that can be fixed. It may be hard, but it can be fixed.

The only fact I have here is the Browns kept him around. That means something.

Like I said, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. That he was touted by some high profile analysts as the top QB in the draft and then fell to the 5th round speaks way more than his surviving cuts up to this point.

You don't think making the 53 as a 5th round pick means anything? Especially when you're eating up a roster spot as the 4th QB? Rational thought says yes, but I guess if you hate Shedeur that much already....

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

 

[Joe Schmo]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

Here’s the issue that I believe a lot of prognosticators in our field of venture (FF) get hung up on.

One great play means a guy has the capability to do something once. The real key is if that greatness is reliably repeatable. If a player shows that he can’t do the same or very similar thing as a regular part of their ability, then that one play means almost nothing. Sure, it looks great on a highlight film. Once.

Sanders is gifted athletically. His weaknesses are largely football intelligence related and can be corrected. He must be doing something right for the Browns to keep him around. I'm honestly a little surprised they did, and I personally like Sanders.

I’m willing to agree to disagree. There are intangibles that he appears to being lacking that would prevent him from being a viable long term starter, much less a franchise QB. Processing speed being one of them. Arm strength being another. And unlearning his pocket/rush avoidance habits that are clearly well engrained and then learning new pocket habits is no small task.

So you believe processing speed is a natural gift and not something that can be fixed with repetition and preparation? Geno Smith might disagree.

Arm strength is almost irrelevant in the NFL if you have timing. There are enough examples of successful weak armed but successful QBs in NFL history that I don't even think we need to debate this.

And his pocket presence is a weakness many highlighted pre-draft, but this is also something that can be fixed. It may be hard, but it can be fixed.

The only fact I have here is the Browns kept him around. That means something.

Like I said, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. That he was touted by some high profile analysts as the top QB in the draft and then fell to the 5th round speaks way more than his surviving cuts up to this point.

You don't think making the 53 as a 5th round pick means anything? Especially when you're eating up a roster spot as the 4th QB? Rational thought says yes, but I guess if you hate Shedeur that much already....

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

Yep. I get Flacco starting as he lets the rookies learn a bit from the sidelines and perhaps gauge the true speed of the game with live bullets flying. But to not beat out Kenny Picket for 2nd string is damning imo cuz he stinks.

 

[-OZ-]

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

Capable seems a stretch here. Right now only Joe is really capable of starting. And he’s a bottom 3 starter.

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

This. They’re just hoping Joe plays respectably and the rest is throwing stuff on the wall hoping something sticks.
I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup.

There’s almost zero chance the 2026 starter is on the roster.

 

[Joe Schmo]

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

Capable seems a stretch here. Right now only Joe is really capable of starting. And he’s a bottom 3 starter.

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

This. They’re just hoping Joe plays respectably and the rest is throwing stuff on the wall hoping something sticks.
I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup.

There’s almost zero chance the 2026 starter is on the roster.

Sure, now that they've dropped Huntley.

 

[-OZ-]

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

Capable seems a stretch here. Right now only Joe is really capable of starting. And he’s a bottom 3 starter.

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

This. They’re just hoping Joe plays respectably and the rest is throwing stuff on the wall hoping something sticks.
I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup.

There’s almost zero chance the 2026 starter is on the roster.

Sure, now that they've dropped Huntley.

Ahem, that’s pro bowl QB Tyler Huntley

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

Capable seems a stretch here. Right now only Joe is really capable of starting. And he’s a bottom 3 starter.

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

This. They’re just hoping Joe plays respectably and the rest is throwing stuff on the wall hoping something sticks.
I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup.

There’s almost zero chance the 2026 starter is on the roster.

Maybe fair. Replace capable with keepable. He still made the roster. It is what it is. Haters gave him zero chance. Truthers said he was going to start week 1. Truth is always somewhere in the middle of opinions like this.

 

[-OZ-]

Fact - The Browns saw enough in Shedeur to keep a fifth round selection despite having 3 other capable quarterbacks

Capable seems a stretch here. Right now only Joe is really capable of starting. And he’s a bottom 3 starter.

No. From what I’m seeing CLE is carrying 4 QBs right now. What does that mean other than he’s at least 4th string and that they don’t have enough confidence in either rookie to risk either as their 2nd stringer.

This. They’re just hoping Joe plays respectably and the rest is throwing stuff on the wall hoping something sticks.
I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup.

There’s almost zero chance the 2026 starter is on the roster.

Maybe fair. Replace capable with keepable. He still made the roster. It is what it is. Haters gave him zero chance. Truthers said he was going to start week 1. Truth is always somewhere in the middle of opinions like this.

Fair. Most of us thought they’d keep him and assess throughout the year. Honestly I don’t think he goes anywhere for a couple years, maybe through his rookie contract. Unless Gabriel shows enough and the browns draft their guy next year.
I’m probably wrong but I didn’t think the browns would get the top pick next year. But then I saw their first five games
Joe will be lucky to make it through that buzz saw.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

He rolled to his left and threw in coverage in the end zone/red zone and we didn't see any highlights from him the rest of the preseason



-Them's the facts but the narrative pushed by a few in the Shark Pool is conspiracy against Shadeur. By who exactly? The Browns who drafted him?
If he was turning heads in camp and in games then he would be starting over 40-yr old Joe Flacco

I said immediately when I saw him throw the TD that it was not a good decision even though it worked
I would have walked him to the bench if I were Stefanski and explained why he can't make that throw

The Browns started Sanders Game 1 of the preseason, Yes/No?
Why didn't they let him take game snaps the rest of the preseason if he was so good on that throw?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way a few of you want to attack me for speaking out on how I saw that throw a month ago, you should be more appreciative of other POV
I also did not dislike Sanders in any way coming into the NFL, was as surprised as anyone he went in the 5th round, I'm no hater
We didn't see him make a lot of highlights the rest of camp/preseason to my knowledge after that "amazing TD throw"

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-What's that say? Does that say 4th on the depth chart?
It's mind boggling how the Shark Pool interprets certain posts and plays in the NFL

I'm not the only one and in fact @Ilov80s has been pretty critical of Sanders and his flaws
I smell Royal Rumble coming, get your 6-man tag teams together and let's roll

-Let's keep it light. Especially on a 4th...5th string QB on the Cleveland Browns
Cheers!

 

[Ilov80s]

laser throw he made in the first preseason game which to me looked like he threw into double or triple coverage by the time the ball got there, could been intercepted
I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

He rolled to his left and threw in coverage in the end zone/red zone and we didn't see any highlights from him the rest of the preseason



-Them's the facts but the narrative pushed by a few in the Shark Pool is conspiracy against Shadeur. By who exactly? The Browns who drafted him?
If he was turning heads in camp and in games then he would be starting over 40-yr old Joe Flacco

I said immediately when I saw him throw the TD that it was not a good decision even though it worked
I would have walked him to the bench if I were Stefanski and explained why he can't make that throw

The Browns started Sanders Game 1 of the preseason, Yes/No?
Why didn't they let him take game snaps the rest of the preseason if he was so good on that throw?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way a few of you want to attack me for speaking out on how I saw that throw a month ago, you should be more appreciative of other POV
I also did not dislike Sanders in any way coming into the NFL, was as surprised as anyone he went in the 5th round, I'm no hater
We didn't see him make a lot of highlights the rest of camp/preseason to my knowledge after that "amazing TD throw"

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-What's that say? Does that say 4th on the depth chart?
It's mind boggling how the Shark Pool interprets certain posts and plays in the NFL

I'm not the only one and in fact @Ilov80s has been pretty critical of Sanders and his flaws
I smell Royal Rumble coming, get your 6-man tag teams together and let's roll

-Let's keep it light. Especially on a 4th...5th string QB on the Cleveland Browns
Cheers!

I am just being objective about the facts of the situation. If you go through this thread you will see I'm not a hater. I wasn't posting here while he was in college saying he stunk or trying to knock him before the draft. If his name was Shadeus Smith and he went to Kansas instead of Colorado, there would not be any of this controversy. People would just accept situation for what it is.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

I got ripped for picking that pass apart

Dumb takes get ripped no matter how many times the dumb post is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I still maintain you never looked at replays of that pass.

Scouts can spot and noted the skills he showed coming into the league. Movement climbing the pocket, eyes up scanning the field, accuracy, along with many other traits.
He showcased the skill of accuracy with the perfect NFL throw.
He made great plays and throws on each of his TDs.
Scouts also noted his weakness' coming into the draft. Waiting too long in the pocket, a 'hitch', patting the ball before a throw, and taking bad sacks.
First game showcased his skills.
Last preseason game showcased his worst weakness'.
Plain and simple, he's a late round flyer as a developmental project.

He rolled to his left and threw in coverage in the end zone/red zone and we didn't see any highlights from him the rest of the preseason



-Them's the facts but the narrative pushed by a few in the Shark Pool is conspiracy against Shadeur. By who exactly? The Browns who drafted him?
If he was turning heads in camp and in games then he would be starting over 40-yr old Joe Flacco

I said immediately when I saw him throw the TD that it was not a good decision even though it worked
I would have walked him to the bench if I were Stefanski and explained why he can't make that throw

The Browns started Sanders Game 1 of the preseason, Yes/No?
Why didn't they let him take game snaps the rest of the preseason if he was so good on that throw?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way a few of you want to attack me for speaking out on how I saw that throw a month ago, you should be more appreciative of other POV
I also did not dislike Sanders in any way coming into the NFL, was as surprised as anyone he went in the 5th round, I'm no hater
We didn't see him make a lot of highlights the rest of camp/preseason to my knowledge after that "amazing TD throw"

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-What's that say? Does that say 4th on the depth chart?
It's mind boggling how the Shark Pool interprets certain posts and plays in the NFL

I'm not the only one and in fact @Ilov80s has been pretty critical of Sanders and his flaws
I smell Royal Rumble coming, get your 6-man tag teams together and let's roll

-Let's keep it light. Especially on a 4th...5th string QB on the Cleveland Browns
Cheers!

You're spot on with that throw. Only a few guys make their hay with throws like that, but they're few and far between. I've also been critical of him his entire career, so maybe I'm just a hater too, but i can't see him repeating success with plays like that.

@pinkstapler nailed my thoughts on his game aswell a few posts back. His ceiling is journeyman, but his attitude/distractions make that juice not worth the squeeze. The Browns have a mash unit of mediocre and there is upside if he can correct his bad habits, but i can't imagine the leash is terribly long if he has attitude issues or doesn't improve greatly this season.

 

[-OZ-]

went to Kansas instead of Colorado

Well yeah, Kansas is awesome

 

[MAC_32]

You don't think making the 53 as a 5th round pick means anything?

Historically this regime very rarely gives up on their draft picks this early, and they usually hang onto the unsuccessful ones too long.

 

[-OZ-]

I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup

Looks like I’m wrong here. Maybe they did show enough.
Good job getting a fifth for Kenny.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

I was hoping they’d drop Pickett but it seems neither Gabriel nor sanders showed enough for the team to make either the official backup

Looks like I’m wrong here. Maybe they did show enough.
Good job getting a fifth for Kenny.

Wow, they got their pick back for Pickett that's pretty good. The Browns really have a knack for being the most exciting bad team possible. I really am looking forward to seeing what Sanders can do in regular season action.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Pickett traded so Sanders has moved from 5th to 4th on the depth chart?
Watson is OUT so maybe he's 3rd on the depth chart?
If Flacco takes a big hit and must leave the game...Sanders jus has to outplay Gabriel at that point

How many games will Sanders start this season? That should be a poll question
4 to 5? None?

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Pickett traded so Sanders has moved from 5th to 4th on the depth chart?
Watson is OUT so maybe he's 3rd on the depth chart?
If Flacco takes a big hit and must leave the game...Sanders jus has to outplay Gabriel at that point

How many games will Sanders start this season? That should be a poll question
4 to 5? None?

I'll vote 2 unless injury to the other QBs render him the only option.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Pickett traded so Sanders has moved from 5th to 4th on the depth chart?
Watson is OUT so maybe he's 3rd on the depth chart?
If Flacco takes a big hit and must leave the game...Sanders jus has to outplay Gabriel at that point

How many games will Sanders start this season? That should be a poll question
4 to 5? None?

I'll vote 2 unless injury to the other QBs render him the only option.

If Flacco and Gabriel are unavailable then I guess they can sign Huntley again and sit Sanders on the bench as the emergency QB

 

[3C's]

seeing what Sanders can do in regular season action.

Seems somewhat unlikely with him being 3rd on the depth chart.

For now. https://x.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1960145625657508115

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

seeing what Sanders can do in regular season action.

Seems somewhat unlikely with him being 3rd on the depth chart.

For now. https://x.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1960145625657508115

And in the most Browns thing ever Watson takes over from week 5 onward.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Seems somewhat unlikely with him being 3rd on the depth chart.

Two years ago in 2023 the Browns started 5 quarterbacks at least one game that season.
Last year in 2024 the Browns started 4 quarterbacks at least one game.
Seems LIKELY he'll see the field this year.

 

[3C's]

Seems somewhat unlikely with him being 3rd on the depth chart.

Two years ago in 2023 the Browns started 5 quarterbacks at least one game that season.
Last year in 2024 the Browns started 4 quarterbacks at least one game.
Seems LIKELY he'll see the field this year.

Yes, injuries happen. If they roll with Sanders they're punting the season. If flacco gets hurt they're hunting for another QB, resigning Huntley if he's available.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Yes, made the team. He should have. A struggling franchise looking for a QB has to try over and over again until they get the right one. Why would they let him go?

I think more importantly Gabriel appears to be the clear #2. Sanders isn't seeing the field until at best they have exhausted all other options. No reason it can't work out for him long term, but he wasn't drafted as high as Gabriel nor has he perfored as well as Gabriel, either in college or in their limited time in the NFL. I'll go with Sanders starts 0 games, but plays mop up duty in 2 of them. Mostly cause I think once their season is over Flacco goes to the bench for Gabriel.