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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (1 Viewer)
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This is about where I am. C+\B- seems fair with either one. Some very good plays and some very bad ones as well. Running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage is a high school play. An NFL QB has no business doing that. Gotta throw that ball away.
Chaka
Footballguy
Didn't read it, not gonna but.... Didn't he do that already?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
$ Legendary
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yes, that conspiracy is very hard to believe.
Moonlight
Footballguy
You have engaged in rage posting. You have accused me of hiding and deleting the post when that didn't occur. You have referred to me as a jerk and an a*****e when I have not called you any names. I have advised you that there was nothing personal in my comment and gave you an explanation. And now you want to hold a grudge.
I think this interaction will cause me to be more careful in how I post which I guess is a good thing. But I also I know that I don't want to deal with you further and will use the ignore button.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sanders did get his own custom Nike ad released yesterday which is a lot for a performance in a preseason game.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree. It happens all the time that a media projected top QB ends up being a low priority with NFL teams. See Malik Willis, Kedon Slovis, Tanner McKee, Rattler, Sam Howell, etc. Almost every year there is a QB who in September is being mocked as a top 10 pick who falls to rounds 3,4,5 and they never amount to anything. It’s much more likely Sanders fell into this category of overhyped media QB than some kind of conspiracy to keep out the famous son of a beloved former NFL player.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That’s the key. If this were kaepernick’s kid or OJ Simpson’s, there might be something to it. But AFAIK Neon is still popular.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
I don't even think it is personal with Deon specifically. I think it is ultimately the common refrain of 'is the juice worth the squeeze?'
Tim Tebow comes to mind. I think he would have had a longer runway in the NFL as a backup QB had teams not had to deal with the media coverage that came with him. How many completions did Tebow make in camp today? Will you give him the opportunity to beat out the starter? Etc. Things that seem to overshadow the team as a whole. I do think there was some pragmatism that was practiced by teams in this case... and in similar cases at times, especially in the social media environment. Whether right, wrong, deserved, or not.
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rockaction
Footballguy
"Trying to tow the line" - Diante Lee
There are editors at The Ringer, one presumes. Jumpin' Christmas. This is why Orwell said to never use cliches that people no longer have to envision but use anyway. It's "toe the line.”
Because it's a balancing act. Where are you "towing" a line to? You're not moving it anywhere. You're observant of it and heed it, like a sideline catch. Jiminy. These editors are supposed to be the best there are, especially at The Ringer.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Hey man, I don't know, sometimes a line is somewhere and you need it to be somewhere else. And sometimes the line is heavy.
rockaction
Footballguy
Almost all those guys but Willis fell during CFB season. They are not comparable situations. And Willis always came with a “could go in the third” caveat.
Nothing like this has ever happened.
I’m not saying your overall point is wrong, but most naysayers still had him in the first easily.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I actually think Ilov’s point is the tenable explanation, and actually the Occam’s razor one, but the NFL has been known to go down with a sinking ship of collusion and gossip before. Sanders’s situation seems like a combination of these things.
rockaction
Footballguy
I’d figure a little pep talk would do, but the lines can be awfully recalcitrant.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Given the chatter over the last few days, bumping this from draft weekend.
nittanylion
Footballguy
@rockaction , if you're seriously taking on the task of being the Forum 'Written Language Ombudsman', your task is going to be akin to herding cats - a very tough row to hoe, if you will.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, heck no! I only go after the main publications unless I spy either a friend who might want to publish, needs clarity, or is using it professionally to his or her colleagues.
Better editors than me on this board, too.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You get used to it.So father time Flacco is the only healthy QB they have. Why is CLE cursed?
warpig33
Footballguy
I was born in Ohio and lived there until I was 7. I remember watching Browns games with my grandfather in the days of Brian Sipe. Then I moved to Jacksonville and became a jags fan. I know how to embrace the suck!You get used to it.So father time Flacco is the only healthy QB they have. Why is CLE cursed?
Chaka
Footballguy
Faust is suiting up
rockaction
Footballguy
Sportswriting is pretty broken although I can’t help but note that massraider’s avatar, as countercultural as he was (Hunter could not be purchased) helped its demise along by consciously injecting the author into the stories he was writing as a main character of said stories. Think of that every time you are reading an ESPN article and out of nowhere comes three paragraphs about the author’s ADHD diagnosis (this happened to me while I was reading one night). Thank Hunter for that.
But mass’s point about the broken state of journalism continues apace. Here I’d like to present the Athletic reporting in Shedeur with this doozily insipid line about Shedeur vis a vis Browns fans: “Shedeur Sanders, Browns fans are dating, but it’s not time to meet the parents yet.”
I think I heard the professor who gave that guy the much-needed F in school drop his microphone (bear with me), back up on the stage and start nodding while M.O.P.’s “Ante Up” blared over the PA system.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Too quiet in here.
Throws
NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders, Eric Dickerson says
"... I heard from someone that’s in the NFL that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said. “We’re going to make an example out of him...
... apparently, Sanders had fallen much further than anticipated and some league officials called the Browns and “forced” them to take him ...
... they weren’t going to draft him either… They were forced into drafting him because somebody made a call to them.”
Shannon Sharpe responds to Eric Dickerson’s wild Shedeur Sanders conspiracy that the NFL told teams not to draft rookie
"... this is not out of the realm of possibility."
Sharpe and co-host Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson went on to suggest that Dickerson's theory could certainly be true.
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NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders, Eric Dickerson says
"... I heard from someone that’s in the NFL that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said. “We’re going to make an example out of him...
... apparently, Sanders had fallen much further than anticipated and some league officials called the Browns and “forced” them to take him ...
... they weren’t going to draft him either… They were forced into drafting him because somebody made a call to them.”
Shannon Sharpe responds to Eric Dickerson’s wild Shedeur Sanders conspiracy that the NFL told teams not to draft rookie
"... this is not out of the realm of possibility."
Sharpe and co-host Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson went on to suggest that Dickerson's theory could certainly be true.
Chaka
Footballguy
Eric Dickerson, Shannon Sharpe & Chad Ochocinco get an apartment together, sounds like an amazing set up for a new sitcom.Too quiet in here.
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NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders, Eric Dickerson says
"... I heard from someone that’s in the NFL that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said. “We’re going to make an example out of him...
... apparently, Sanders had fallen much further than anticipated and some league officials called the Browns and “forced” them to take him ...
... they weren’t going to draft him either… They were forced into drafting him because somebody made a call to them.”
Shannon Sharpe responds to Eric Dickerson’s wild Shedeur Sanders conspiracy that the NFL told teams not to draft rookie
"... this is not out of the realm of possibility."
Sharpe and co-host Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson went on to suggest that Dickerson's theory could certainly be true.
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Too quiet in here.
Throws
NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders, Eric Dickerson says
"... I heard from someone that’s in the NFL that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said. “We’re going to make an example out of him...
... apparently, Sanders had fallen much further than anticipated and some league officials called the Browns and “forced” them to take him ...
... they weren’t going to draft him either… They were forced into drafting him because somebody made a call to them.”
Shannon Sharpe responds to Eric Dickerson’s wild Shedeur Sanders conspiracy that the NFL told teams not to draft rookie
"... this is not out of the realm of possibility."
Sharpe and co-host Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson went on to suggest that Dickerson's theory could certainly be true.
This makes absolutely zero sense. First, the NFL told teams not to draft Sanders, then forced the Browns to draft him. Second, the Browns traded up to draft Sanders. If they were "forced" to take him even though they didn't want him, they would have just stayed where they were at. Somebody check these guys for CTE.
Boone22
Footballguy
Agreed. And if the NFL was gonna “force” someone to take him. Why the Browns who had just selected a rookie? Why not “force” someone like Pittsburgh to take him in the 5th?Too quiet in here.
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NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders, Eric Dickerson says
"... I heard from someone that’s in the NFL that the NFL told [teams] don’t draft him, do not draft him,” Dickerson said. “We’re going to make an example out of him...
... apparently, Sanders had fallen much further than anticipated and some league officials called the Browns and “forced” them to take him ...
... they weren’t going to draft him either… They were forced into drafting him because somebody made a call to them.”
Shannon Sharpe responds to Eric Dickerson’s wild Shedeur Sanders conspiracy that the NFL told teams not to draft rookie
"... this is not out of the realm of possibility."
Sharpe and co-host Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson went on to suggest that Dickerson's theory could certainly be true.
This makes absolutely zero sense. First, the NFL told teams not to draft Sanders, then forced the Browns to draft him. Second, the Browns traded up to draft Sanders. If they were "forced" to take him even though they didn't want him, they would have just stayed where they were at. Somebody check these guys for CTE.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Ouch.
3-6 for 14 yards and sacked 5x including one for a 23yd loss.
3-6 for 14 yards and sacked 5x including one for a 23yd loss.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup. That was ugly.
One of the worst plays I've ever seen a QB make, like literally no idea what was going on in his head. He just kept spinning backwards, no attempt to really escape, no attempt to run, no attempt to throw. I honestly feel like I could have played better than Sanders did today, which isn't saying much, technically kneeling down every pass play would have been better than what Sanders did.
I don't like the narrative about who he played with a plays called. One can counter with the defense was 3rd and 4th string and it's a waste of time.
It's been a long process. Sheduer didn't win or lose a spot based off one game or one throw. That's a really myopic view.
The comparisons between ( one game) under control efficient short passing Gabriel and freewheeling Sheduer is really very common. Most rookies are either take too many risks or don't take any.
Sincerely, you can best hear Kellen Moore discuss this with his QBs. He's wonderful on the radio and yet all dry and uninteresting in pressers. He was talking recently about having the same goal and some days it doesn't really matter what a player offers; they have to improve whatever deficiencies. The goal is to play and he doesn't want to waste anyone's time debating if can't do this is worse than a guy that can't do that. He made it clear to his staff he wanted to get the players as complete as possible by seasons start, including the QBs.
What CAN these two do?
I think Gabriel can probably engineer a run often offense while the defense has an advantage.
I think Sheduer would only be a fun come from behind guy right now.
I think Gabriel is a much quicker learner.
I don't think Sheduer is learning fast enough. He's got a bit of bravado to him that might be stunting his growth. It's OK, I believe the bench is a great motivator and that he's well trained and well versed in what to do.
QB gurus don't shut up about these two or Pittsburgh boy either. Let's just say there's a big list of things they need to work on. Well, work on them while Flacco plays.
Sheduer seems to have gotten thru life on his arm in bad times. The NFL won't let that happen. Safeties are too good. If you watch a couple bad throws or bad plays and he's "let me show my arm off." Nope, kid that won't work. Be patient like Brady taught ya and methodically get down the field. There's no cheat in the NFL. An absolute ton of rookies do this. Just tough it out kid. You'll be alright.
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I have long said that when looking at two young QBs, I'd rather be third. They get to run the scout team and get a lot of reps and film work while the backup is mostly filmwork.
If I were Stefanski, I'd alternate them.
Sheduer needs to about close his dorm room door telling people to shush he's studying. Let's see "his people" go away and let him be the good kid he seems to be.
A contest of Gabriel versus Ward barking out what they noticed on film is wonderful for them. to "outstudy each other" and work on deficiencies would be great for them.
I see a ton of positives here and people are just looking for negatives
It's been a long process. Sheduer didn't win or lose a spot based off one game or one throw. That's a really myopic view.
The comparisons between ( one game) under control efficient short passing Gabriel and freewheeling Sheduer is really very common. Most rookies are either take too many risks or don't take any.
Sincerely, you can best hear Kellen Moore discuss this with his QBs. He's wonderful on the radio and yet all dry and uninteresting in pressers. He was talking recently about having the same goal and some days it doesn't really matter what a player offers; they have to improve whatever deficiencies. The goal is to play and he doesn't want to waste anyone's time debating if can't do this is worse than a guy that can't do that. He made it clear to his staff he wanted to get the players as complete as possible by seasons start, including the QBs.
What CAN these two do?
I think Gabriel can probably engineer a run often offense while the defense has an advantage.
I think Sheduer would only be a fun come from behind guy right now.
I think Gabriel is a much quicker learner.
I don't think Sheduer is learning fast enough. He's got a bit of bravado to him that might be stunting his growth. It's OK, I believe the bench is a great motivator and that he's well trained and well versed in what to do.
QB gurus don't shut up about these two or Pittsburgh boy either. Let's just say there's a big list of things they need to work on. Well, work on them while Flacco plays.
Sheduer seems to have gotten thru life on his arm in bad times. The NFL won't let that happen. Safeties are too good. If you watch a couple bad throws or bad plays and he's "let me show my arm off." Nope, kid that won't work. Be patient like Brady taught ya and methodically get down the field. There's no cheat in the NFL. An absolute ton of rookies do this. Just tough it out kid. You'll be alright.
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I have long said that when looking at two young QBs, I'd rather be third. They get to run the scout team and get a lot of reps and film work while the backup is mostly filmwork.
If I were Stefanski, I'd alternate them.
Sheduer needs to about close his dorm room door telling people to shush he's studying. Let's see "his people" go away and let him be the good kid he seems to be.
A contest of Gabriel versus Ward barking out what they noticed on film is wonderful for them. to "outstudy each other" and work on deficiencies would be great for them.
I see a ton of positives here and people are just looking for negatives
It was ugly. And honestly his last outing would not have been very different if it was against a decent defense. He kept extending plays that should not have been extended and he was somehow not sacked. He looked like he was running in sand, but somehow evading sacks.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Are people still seeing something in this guy? His college tape wasn't great and I'm not sure what so many saw that would justify a franchise QB, though actual GMs proved the NFL didn't see it either. He's not athletic enough to extend plays and not take unnecessary sacks, but that's his game. He's pretty accurate if he's got all-day which isn't likely to the degree he needs in the nfl.
He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.
He can certainly develop, but I wouldn't bet on much more than journeyman backup at best.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
While it was not regular for him, this kind of action was also not unusual when he was at CU. He keeps giving ground and tries to reset his base, only to see more pressure and spin away while giving up more ground. Pretty soon he’s 20 yds behind the LoS and has to throw a very long pass just to get the ball up to his playmakers while the coverage is tightening their leverage seeing what’s doing, and he ends up taking massive sack yardage or putting the ball in serious jeopardy.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He got benched with 2 mins left for Tyler Huntley on what was a final drive that ended up leading to a game winning FG. He was visiblly unhappy on the sidelines about it and spoke to the media about it. Ugly ugly day for Sanders.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
A good Journeyman back up can cash about $5M+ a year, play 10 years and they carve out quite a living for themselves
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Good journeymen don't take a sack every possession and run themselves 20 yards backwards. He has to stop that, coaches just want backups who can come in and run the damn offense, manage the game. Not put the team in 3rd and longs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Where did the word Sanders come out of my mouth/fingers?
Lurker is saying that Sanders is a journeyman at best and I'm simply saying that QB journeyman is a good paying job these days
Lemme guess, you drank the whole pot of coffee this morning
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Think Colt McCoy. That should of been my life. Ha ha
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's the Shadeur Sanders thread so one would assume we could talk about him as it relates to the conversations here.Where did the word Sanders come out of my mouth/fingers?
Lurker is saying that Sanders is a journeyman at best and I'm simply saying that QB journeyman is a good paying job these days
Lemme guess, you drank the whole pot of coffee this morning
