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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (7 Viewers)

In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
The longer they can have Sanders sit and learn the better. He very well could end up the starter but once they go to him there is no turning back. The longer they can delay that the better. Flacco wil be the guy out of the gates until he isn't. If CLE struggles early I know there will be calls for Sanders to play but the longer he can sit the better. Even if he has to sit a full year that would be good for his development and learning the offence.

I don't think its a disservice having Gabriel and Sanders sit behind the vets for as long as possible. Too many teams and coaches are trying to save their jobs and throw in young QBs too early and they struggle. Other than coaches/GMs trying to save their jobs what's the rush? Let these kids develop and learn.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
I'd even say longer than a "few weeks" - like half the season or more.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
I'd even say longer than a "few weeks" - like half the season or more.
Not unfair but tough situation - going to likely be a lost season and the heat will be on the coaching staff to pivot away from the 40 yr old with no future to the shiny new toys. And having 2 of them makes it worse because if they put one in and they look shaky the crowd can just turn to the other. I liked how the Giants did it with Eli and the Flacons with Pennix - give the kid a few starts at the end of the season and thats it. Very rare though
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
I'd even say longer than a "few weeks" - like half the season or more.
Not unfair but tough situation - going to likely be a lost season and the heat will be on the coaching staff to pivot away from the 40 yr old with no future to the shiny new toys. And having 2 of them makes it worse because if they put one in and they look shaky the crowd can just turn to the other. I liked how the Giants did it with Eli and the Flacons with Pennix - give the kid a few starts at the end of the season and thats it. Very rare though
I agree that if they can wait to give the starts later in the season that would be best. Even the great Mahomes sat to start his career. It is really for the best to have these guys sit.

No doubt the issue is they have 2 young guys but the reality is the likelihood of both working out is slim. If it happens then that is a good thing for CLE who hasn't found a QB in decades. If they get 2 then great for them. It might mean though it takes longer to figure out who is better between Gabriel and Sanders. But long term I think it is a good thing for them having both. Does it suck for fantasy ? sure but for the team this is good. It also gives the fans something to talk about and keep them busy as they try to pick their fav QB.
 

While rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders hasn't been seen getting first-team reps, he took a series of snaps with the second-team offense during 11-on-11 drills, ahead of fellow rookie Dillon Gabriel. Sanders continued his strong spring, throwing a short touchdown in red-zone drills. On the play, he manipulated multiple linebackers by moving his eyes to his left before returning to his right and finding an open window to drive a pass to tight end Brenden Bates in the end zone.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
I'd even say longer than a "few weeks" - like half the season or more.
Until they’re out of the playoffs. Which could be mid season but I think they’ll surprise a bit.
 
There's some "cmon now" brakes that have to be applied to this hype train.
Shedeur didn't get first team reps and if you scroll thru here, almost no opinions have changed.

I'm very much a "in shorts, don't overreact" type poster. I do think that here but it isn't wrong to throw some shade his way now.

We're all well aware of his draft status and his dad and whatever may or may not have been fair and ...ya gotta chuck that aside some and stick to facts as best you can. We've all said this stuff but...
He didn't run with the ones.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
totally agree - Pickett is not necessary at this point and they should be able to flip him for a late pick. Waste giving him reps. Flacco should be the vet week 1 starter with one of the rooks taking over after a few weeks. Let the 2 rooks battle it out for a week or 2 then make the call. TC reps are gold for rooks and cant split it 4 ways.
I feel like Pickett makes more sense to keep than Flacco. At least there is some potential upside there. Though nothing is stopping them from keeping 4 QBs.

If Pickett is the odd man out, I would think New Orleans would make sense, as Kellen Moore was Pickett's OC in Philly last season.

Ideally, Sanders wins this job at some point. If he doesn't, I think the Browns 2026 QB probably isn't on the roster.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
Strongly disagree. There's no reason to protect Pickett, only challenge him. While they'll approach this season like they're trying to compete, this team knows they aren't playing for 2025. I assume Kenny ain't it, but what's the upside to play this card close to the vest? Maybe they recoup a 4 instead of the 5 they gave up to get him? Like a fart in the wind. If he crumbles, oh well, move on. If he shows a little something, okay, you got the following opportunity:

v CIN
@ BAL
v GB
@ DET
v MIN*
@ PIT

Get some wins. If not, move onto the kids.
 
In general, I think the Browns are really doing all of their QBs a disservice. As the saying goes "If you have two QBs, you have zero QBs" the Browns are literally trying to decide between four potentially viable options. All of them will suffer from lack of opportunity and Shedeur's presence means they will be under a microscope while trying to figure it out.

I expect to see Pickett put in bubble wrap when TC opens up as they desperately try to arrange a trade.
Strongly disagree. There's no reason to protect Pickett, only challenge him. While they'll approach this season like they're trying to compete, this team knows they aren't playing for 2025. I assume Kenny ain't it, but what's the upside to play this card close to the vest? Maybe they recoup a 4 instead of the 5 they gave up to get him? Like a fart in the wind. If he crumbles, oh well, move on. If he shows a little something, okay, you got the following opportunity:

v CIN
@ BAL
v GB
@ DET
v MIN*
@ PIT

Get some wins. If not, move onto the kids.
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
 
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
I, too, see 1-5 as a likely outcome. I don't understand why you have any interest in protecting the investment. As you summarized, the best case return is nominal unless he vastly exceeds expectations, so why hold anything back?
 
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
I, too, see 1-5 as a likely outcome. I don't understand why you have any interest in protecting the investment. As you summarized, the best case return is nominal unless he vastly exceeds expectations, so why hold anything back?
They should protect him so he doesn't pop an Achilles in TC and put them on the hook for his contract and send his value to zero.
 
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
I, too, see 1-5 as a likely outcome. I don't understand why you have any interest in protecting the investment. As you summarized, the best case return is nominal unless he vastly exceeds expectations, so why hold anything back?
They should protect him so he doesn't pop an Achilles in TC and put them on the hook for his contract and send his value to zero.
Again, strongly disagree. The Browns investment in him is a modest salary and potential ROI if moved day 3 compensation if another team gets boxed in. This on a team going nowhere fast without competent QB play. Zero reason to play this one safe.
 
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
I, too, see 1-5 as a likely outcome. I don't understand why you have any interest in protecting the investment. As you summarized, the best case return is nominal unless he vastly exceeds expectations, so why hold anything back?
They should protect him so he doesn't pop an Achilles in TC and put them on the hook for his contract and send his value to zero.
Again, strongly disagree. The Browns investment in him is a modest salary and potential ROI if moved day 3 compensation if another team gets boxed in. This on a team going nowhere fast without competent QB play. Zero reason to play this one safe.
Do you see Pickett having long term starting QB upside? If so, I understand your position.

I don't. IMO he's a career backup and, again IMO, you don't waste camp reps on a career backup when you have two rookies who may (or may not) have starter potential (and a veteran to hold down the position until said rookies are ready...or not).
 
I'm not following the "opportunity" angle. I'm seeing 1-5, at best, against that slate. If Pickett starts those games his value won't increase (5% chance at best).

Pickett isn't the future and there is zero chance they get a 4th for him. They should set their sights on a conditional 7th and hope for a QB injury that makes another team desperate enough to give up more than that for Pickett.
I, too, see 1-5 as a likely outcome. I don't understand why you have any interest in protecting the investment. As you summarized, the best case return is nominal unless he vastly exceeds expectations, so why hold anything back?
They should protect him so he doesn't pop an Achilles in TC and put them on the hook for his contract and send his value to zero.
Again, strongly disagree. The Browns investment in him is a modest salary and potential ROI if moved day 3 compensation if another team gets boxed in. This on a team going nowhere fast without competent QB play. Zero reason to play this one safe.
Do you see Pickett having long term starting QB upside? If so, I understand your position.

I don't. IMO he's a career backup and, again IMO, you don't waste camp reps on a career backup when you have two rookies who may (or may not) have starter potential (and a veteran to hold down the position until said rookies are ready...or not).
No. I laughed at the pick when it was originally made. He's a reclamation dart throw.
 
41 mph over the limit is pretty damn fast. Nobody was hurt, there was no crash, there are no drugs or alcohol involved, so there's that. Anyone doing 101 is very lucky not to have crashed.

Sanders, 23, a projected first-round pick who was selected by the Browns after falling to the fifth round of this year's draft, must either pay a $250 fine for the fourth-degree misdemeanor or fight the ticket in Strongsville Mayor's Court on July 3.
If he's smart (and/or getting good advice) he'll pay the fine. We'll see.
 
There's some "cmon now" brakes that have to be applied to this hype train.
Shedeur didn't get first team reps and if you scroll thru here, almost no opinions have changed.

I'm very much a "in shorts, don't overreact" type poster. I do think that here but it isn't wrong to throw some shade his way now.

We're all well aware of his draft status and his dad and whatever may or may not have been fair and ...ya gotta chuck that aside some and stick to facts as best you can. We've all said this stuff but...
He didn't run with the ones.
Also what’s unsaid is he was facing the 2s on defense as well. Maybe the 3s or worse.

So yeah, he made nice throws and looked off some LB who are going to be working at the dairy freeze come August.

Grain of salt needed for these gushing updates for sure.
 
41 mph over the limit is pretty damn fast. Nobody was hurt, there was no crash, there are no drugs or alcohol involved, so there's that. Anyone doing 101 is very lucky not to have crashed.

Sanders, 23, a projected first-round pick who was selected by the Browns after falling to the fifth round of this year's draft, must either pay a $250 fine for the fourth-degree misdemeanor or fight the ticket in Strongsville Mayor's Court on July 3.
If he's smart (and/or getting good advice) he'll pay the fine. We'll see.
101 in a *truck* is a heck of a lot more dangerous than 101 in a car.
 
Anyone doing 101 is very lucky not to have crashed.
:shrug: I am not endorsing driving 101, but it is not that fast. This is a non-issue. Most young men have driven that fast, I suspect.
Fair point, and it was in the middle of the night when there was hopefully little to no traffic. The risk depends on a lot of factors. I used to max out my Mustang on the way to work on a long, straight portion of an empty state route at 4:00am. But even that I consider very stupid.
 
Anyone doing 101 is very lucky not to have crashed.
:shrug: I am not endorsing driving 101, but it is not that fast. This is a non-issue. Most young men have driven that fast, I suspect.
:oldunsure: :bag:
Probably not after having dropped 4 rounds later than we thought we should and trying to make it in a really competitive field when we’re already under a ton of scrutiny.

If this is the worst thing he does, awesome. But his decision making hasn’t been great these last 5 months.
 
Definitely depends on the road too. To Sander's defense, there are some highways by me with a speed limit of 60 posted and you'll get run off the road if you're going that slow. Flow of traffic is more like 70-80 slow lane to fast lane. Doing 100 is still a rare occurrence in my experience, but I'm not on the road much at 1AM at my age either. IMO not much "good" is happening at that time of night, but I won't speculate where he was coming from/going to.

The thing that jumps out to me is $250 fine for going 40+ over the speed limit. When I was still a smoker I got a fined $350 for just flicking a butt out the window and that was about 20 years ago now. I think he definitely got the famous athlete/son of Deion discount there, considering most places going that fast is a criminal offense with cops option to tow your car, a mandatory court appearance with high likelihood of license suspension, if not completely revoked, and a judge's option of jail time. I'd imagine for a regular Joe, even if you skate on all those potential repercussions, you're financial obligations would at least be hitting four digits.
 
Things like this are not that big of deal…until it is (under the influence or cause injury). I would think after the ordeal with the draft process he would take more of a keep nose down and grind without causing distraction route. Again, the end result is no big deal…however the kid has the spotlight on him and should stay away from activities that shine lights on him at this stage.
 
Things like this are not that big of deal…until it is (under the influence or cause injury). I would think after the ordeal with the draft process he would take more of a keep nose down and grind without causing distraction route. Again, the end result is no big deal…however the kid has the spotlight on him and should stay away from activities that shine lights on him at this stage.
Not a "big deal" even if you did drive 100mph, crash into people and injure them, flee the scene, and get charged for several felonies,
...it mostly just depends on what team you play for and if you can help them win.
 
Cleveland’s Alex Darus reports that Shedeur Sanders’ Tuesday citation for 101 MPH occurred hours after Sanders failed to appear in court for another speeding ticket issued less than 2 weeks prior.

I don't think I read that in here yet.
 
Keeps demonstrating he’s very bad at decision-making.
Yep. We can talk all day about arm talent, physical size and every other tangible QB quality that wows the average scout, but the hallmark of just about every franchise QB is making good decisions, and Sanders is, by most accounts, consistently not making good decisions. Some don't want to hear it, but there is a reason why no team in the NFL thought he was anything more than a 5th round pick.
 
Anyone doing 101 is very lucky not to have crashed.
:shrug: I am not endorsing driving 101, but it is not that fast. This is a non-issue. Most young men have driven that fast, I suspect.
Also not an endorsement, but given the location and time of day it wouldn't surprise me if those 2 vehicles were the only ones within eye sight at the time of the incident.
 
Keeps demonstrating he’s very bad at decision-making.
That's a really polite way of saying he's an idiot. He's an idiot. He fell to round 5 solely because of it, and instead of that being a wakeup call, its seems like he's still refusing to fix it.

Wouldn't fault the Browns one bit if they just cut him, I honestly doubt any team would trade even a 7th rounder for him right now. I'm actually very curious if they hadn't drafted him, if he'd even have been picked.
 
We always act surprised when we hear stories like this. We think stuff like "They have so much to lose!", "Haven't they heard of Henry Ruggs or Rashee Rice?!?!", "How could they be so stupid?" etc.

Beyond the fact that time softens the memory of our own decision making at 23 years old; I wonder a few things about our decision making.

How many of us:
1) Exercise for 150 minutes a week?
2) Are at an unhealthy weight?
3) Have been saving for retirement?
3 b) Since we got our first job?
4) Eat five servings of fruits and vegetables per day?
4 b) Think green peppers on pizza counts as a vegetable?
5) Sleep at least seven hours per night?
6) Phone scroll in bed?
7) Drink alcohol?
8) Drink caffeine?
9) Meditate?
10) Practice mindfulness?
11) See our doctor at least once per year?
11 b) See our doctor as soon as we recognize something is "off"?
12) Have life insurance?
etc.
ETA: 13) Drive more than nine MPH above the speed limit?
ETA 2.0: 14) Driven after having "Only a few drinks"?

Do we have any less to lose than Shedeur, Ruggs or Rashee?
 
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We always act surprised when we hear stories like this. We think stuff like "They have so much to lose!", "Haven't they heard of Henry Ruggs or Rashee Rice?!?!", "How could they be so stupid?" etc.

Beyond the fact that time softens the memory of our own decision making at 23 years old; I wonder a few things about us.

How many of us:
1) Exercise for 150 minutes a week?
2) Are at an unhealthy weight?
3) Have been saving for retirement?
3 b) Since we got our first job?
4) Eat five servings of fruits and vegetables per day?
4 b) Think green peppers on pizza counts as a vegetable?
5) Sleep at least seven hours per night?
6) Phone scroll in bed?
7) Drink alcohol?
8) Drink caffeine?
9) Meditate?
10) Practice mindfulness?
11) See our doctor at least once per year?
11 b) See our doctor as soon as we recognize something is "off"?
12) Have life insurance?
etc.

Do we have any less to lose than Shedeur, Ruggs or Rashee?
This all feels like an accusation and it’s hurtful to my feelings.
:cry:
 
We always act surprised when we hear stories like this. We think stuff like "They have so much to lose!", "Haven't they heard of Henry Ruggs or Rashee Rice?!?!", "How could they be so stupid?" etc.

Beyond the fact that time softens the memory of our own decision making at 23 years old; I wonder a few things about us.

How many of us:
1) Exercise for 150 minutes a week?
2) Are at an unhealthy weight?
3) Have been saving for retirement?
3 b) Since we got our first job?
4) Eat five servings of fruits and vegetables per day?
4 b) Think green peppers on pizza counts as a vegetable?
5) Sleep at least seven hours per night?
6) Phone scroll in bed?
7) Drink alcohol?
8) Drink caffeine?
9) Meditate?
10) Practice mindfulness?
11) See our doctor at least once per year?
11 b) See our doctor as soon as we recognize something is "off"?
12) Have life insurance?
etc.

Do we have any less to lose than Shedeur, Ruggs or Rashee?
This all feels like an accusation and it’s hurtful to my feelings.
:cry:
Maybe you should take advantage of FBGs new Safe Space Forum.
 
How many of us:
1) Exercise for 150 minutes a week? YES!
2) Are at an unhealthy weight? Also yes
3) Have been saving for retirement? YES!
3 b) Since we got our first job? YES!
4) Eat five servings of fruits and vegetables per day? YES!
4 b) Think green peppers on pizza counts as a vegetable? YES!
5) Sleep at least seven hours per night? YES!
6) Phone scroll in bed? Also yes
7) Drink alcohol? Too much
8) Drink caffeine? Echo
9) Meditate? What
10) Practice mindfulness? Intentionally
11) See our doctor at least once per year? Finally, yes
11 b) See our doctor as soon as we recognize something is "off"? I'll let you know when that happens
12) Have life insurance? Yes
etc.
ETA: 13) Drive more than nine MPH above the speed limit? Constantly

Do we have any less to lose than Shedeur, Ruggs or Rashee? Probably more
 

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