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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
The first two words of that title explains a lot why Shedeur is not close to starting yet.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
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You mean the guy with the 2nd most passing yards and passing TDs ever in college football. The one with the 13-1 record and playoff appearances and games against B10 programs. Yeah, that guy has no chance to be good.
But the kid that Daddy pulled along and went 13-12 in college. He's the star?? Maybe he gets good. He is not now, or he'd be on the field.Pietaster2
Footballguy
But, but, Deion is so cool, and I don’t follow college football at all but ESPN told me that Colorado was good because Deion is a legendary coach. I don’t know or care that he only went to one bowl game and lost it in the two years he was at Colorado.
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ESPN and most sports media publications also told me that Shedeur really should have been a first round pick but the mean nasty NFL GMs conspired to keep him down! For reasons, or something.
Shedeur rules, and is better than Dillon Gabriel in every way, especially because Gabriel’s short, which is the only stat of Gabriel’s I bothered to learn or pay attention to. It’s a crime that Gabriel was drafted before Shedeur.
Signed - Average Shedeur Sanders appreciator
Riffraff
Footballguy
Victory laps? Pfft
In 10 years will it even matter?
Heck, in 2 will it?
Where's that Browns QB jersey pic with all those names on it? Has it been updated?
In 10 years will it even matter?
Heck, in 2 will it?
Where's that Browns QB jersey pic with all those names on it? Has it been updated?
No real dog in the fight, but Gabriel was a 6 year (64 game) starter. I'd hope he was near the top in college career numbers. He basically played twice as much as most college QBs.
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Being high in career college numbers is kind of meaningless when it comes to projecting NFL success, in fact, one could argue if he was a good prospect he wouldn't have been in college that long.
The only QB in the top-20 career yardage with NFL success is Baker Mayfield (we'll see on Bo Nix) The only NFL success QBs in the top-20 career pass TDs are Mayfield and Derek Carr. Otherwise, its a bunch of career backups like Case Kennum, Ty Detmer, or Mason Rudolph, or guys who weren't NFL caliber guys like Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, or current Saints HC Kellen Moore.
ETA: 2nd most snaps played in college history behind only Timmy Chang
N Zone
Footballguy
That's pretty funny. They should have stopped at Baker Mayfield, #1 overall draft pick. He had a bad throwing arm and played through it is why his numbers were down the year they gave up on him. Paid the most guaranteed money ever to a guy with sexual lawsuit from over a dozen 'victims' hanging over his head. I've heard DeShaun Watson is rehabbing furiously and knee recovery is going well though. He's been terrible so far with Cleveland though.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I thought Stefanski's "decision" on who to make the backup wasn't actually a decision. Why would they make Bailey Zappe their #2, lol. It was coach-speak. Let the week play out, blah, blah, blah. Stefanski probly feels like he needs to slow-roll Shedeur due to all the attention surrounding him.
One play away now. I can't see Gabriel holding onto the job because of performance, so with or without an injury, we're very likely to see Shedeur this season. For what it's worth, Rees has been complimentary of his preparation.
The Shedeur Sanders watch has officially begun...
One play away now. I can't see Gabriel holding onto the job because of performance, so with or without an injury, we're very likely to see Shedeur this season. For what it's worth, Rees has been complimentary of his preparation.
The Shedeur Sanders watch has officially begun...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'm sure they will be LEGENDARY.
cdclopper
Footballguy
It's page 33 and it hasnt began yet. Good lord.
Football Jones
Footballguy
You know what I meant, Slick.
Lots of pages on a FF MB means squat. One play away means something else, entirely.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yeah, dude didn’t even get his number retired.No real dog in the fight, but Gabriel was a 6 year (64 game) starter. I'd hope he was near the top in college career numbers. He basically played twice as much as most college QBs.
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Being high in career college numbers is kind of meaningless when it comes to projecting NFL success, in fact, one could argue if he was a good prospect he wouldn't have been in college that long.
The only QB in the top-20 career yardage with NFL success is Baker Mayfield (we'll see on Bo Nix) The only NFL success QBs in the top-20 career pass TDs are Mayfield and Derek Carr. Otherwise, its a bunch of career backups like Case Kennum, Ty Detmer, or Mason Rudolph, or guys who weren't NFL caliber guys like Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, or current Saints HC Kellen Moore.
ETA: 2nd most snaps played in college history behind only Timmy Chang
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'd say it's about time for #12 after the bye (assuming his back is ok).
Football Jones
Footballguy
Not for the Browns. Plus, since Gabriel is rostered in a lot of leagues (especially superflex and dynasty), then Shedeur deserves to be rostered if he's starting.
As soon as Sanders was drafted (in the 5th round, no less), he became Cleveland's only hope this season. It doesn't mean Shedeur is going to be a decent NFL starter...only that he's their best chance.
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Footballdaz
Footballguy
Please let SS play a half game, so everyone shuts up and sees he's NOT READY and not good like they think and not an NFL QB.
He'll be a journeyman backup qb if anything.
He'll be a journeyman backup qb if anything.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Is Gabriel ready? Ready or not, he's not a starting NFL QB. I question if he can even be a quality backup.
Gabriel was as bad of a 3rd round pick as Shedeur was as good of a 5th round pick. They should've been reversed and it would've made some sense.
Football Jones
Footballguy
There's some sentiment that they're high on Shedeur and don't want to play him too early. That essentially makes Gabriel the sacrificial lamb.
If so, why was Gabriel drafted in the 3rd? Maybe that's true, but not sure I'm buying it...
If so, why was Gabriel drafted in the 3rd? Maybe that's true, but not sure I'm buying it...
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I think Gabriel gets weeks 10 through 12 at minimum. If there's no traction, give Shedeur a long enough look so you can rip the band-aid off and be done with it. Three weeks will do. Four or five would be better if Gabriel isn't giving you anything very compelling.
I get the temptation to switch after the bye, but you don't want to come to the realization that none of them can play with six weeks of the season remaining.
I get the temptation to switch after the bye, but you don't want to come to the realization that none of them can play with six weeks of the season remaining.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I was implying all should be ww guys. SF notwithstanding.
zamboni
Footballguy
I would think that’s exactly what they would want to do: find out if either of them can be the future at the position, and if not, that can inform how they want to address the position in the offseason.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
The point is that a team typically isn't going to give their 3rd round pick only four starts(?) before writing him off for the sake of giving an immature 5th rounder that hasn't earned it the potential for an 8-week look.
I'm certainly not betting on Gabriel in any scenario, but you can probably write him off entirely if you pull the plug now. If you pull the plug now and Sanders also struggles weeks 10 & 11, you probably lose the entire team with a long stretch of games still remaining on the schedule. Granted, it can also go that way if you continue to roll out Gabriel week after week with zero progress, but I'd be shocked if he's not out there week 10. Give him several weeks and if all else fails, he probably takes a knock that let's him save face while giving Shedeur his shot. You wouldn't worry about any of this coddling if Shedeur was killing it behind the scenes and you thought he could lead you to the playoffs. I just don't think he's giving them any reason to call time of death on their 3rd round pick after four starts.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Fair - just recall some quotes earlier in the season (don’t recall from whom) that both QBs will play this year because they want to see what they have in them. Maybe things have changed - who knows.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
It would have been smart to plant that seed, such that you could go to Shedeur for four games right now, and then potentially go right back to Gabriel for another stint in the home stretch to see if he learned anything, provided that you haven't lost him mentally at that point. I'm certainly not optimistic that Gabriel will suddenly flip the switch after the bye, and I'm sure the team fills it too.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I can't imagine Gabriel sees week 11 if he gets the call week 10 against the Jets coming off a bye week and loses, especially considering how unprepared he's looked playing.
warpig33
Footballguy
Gabriel is incapable of completing a downfield pass. How boring that he can only throw to the TEs and RBs? Hell, defenses can let the WRs streak freely down the field and concentrate on covering TEs and RBs and Gabriel will throw INT after INT or take tons of sacks. HE. CAN. NOT. THROW. THE. DEEP. BALL. Simply atrocious!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
No one has mentioned he was OUT for a back injury.
Listening to the radio before the game they said it was a legit injury and two people had to help him up off the turf in pregame warmups so...
In training camp, he went to the coaches to self-report arm soreness which is very rare so he must have been in pain. Some felt it 'could' be worse than simple soreness.
He has a rep for being tough and I know this back injury is real.
I want to see him play, but I wouldn't want to put him out there unless he's close to 100%.
Listening to the radio before the game they said it was a legit injury and two people had to help him up off the turf in pregame warmups so...
In training camp, he went to the coaches to self-report arm soreness which is very rare so he must have been in pain. Some felt it 'could' be worse than simple soreness.
He has a rep for being tough and I know this back injury is real.
I want to see him play, but I wouldn't want to put him out there unless he's close to 100%.
titusbramble
Footballguy
If he is not ready, then how do you infer he is not an NFL QB? Might not be now, may well never be, but there is nothing to lose by trial by fire at this stage
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Remember when Trent Green went down in the preseason in 1999 and an unknown Arena Football League player won the NFL league MVP and Super Bowl MVP?
