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A sampling of what I’ve repeatedly seen:
This is where I am at. Let’s see how Sanders looks after starting at least 10 games.
Unfortunately I don’t think he’ll get even close to 10 games. Gabriel is likely going back behind center when he’s cleared and that could be it for 2025. Anything goes for 2026, most likely a more proven entity.
Or why they traded Kenny Pickett if the plan was to eventually trade Flacco.
I think both were impulse decisions because they feared the veterans would stunt the rookies growth. The Gabriel draft pick was stupid. If they liked him more than Sanders I think they could have gotten him where they drafted Sanders. Why draft both? Neither are future NFL starting quarterbacks IMO.
Well, the oodles of people pushing those theories on social media, whether as the original poster or repliers, are actual real people. They’re just using social media to voice their opinion.
There was NO PLAN to draft 2 rookie QBs. They took Gabriel and Sanders fell as an opportunity developmental flyer.
I have a lot of cool black friends and coworkers in Cleveland. It may surprise you but many real people that I know and work with have said flatly that SS fell due to racism. I have seen a few on the other side who honestly seem to lean in on ANY REASON to take a shot at Sanders in a way that gives off ugly racist vibes directed at his supporters. but ya know, people are strange.
My buddy I was texting with who believes there’s a racist conspiracy against Shedeur is also a black guy from Cleveland. I love him like a brother, but I will say — Isn’t assuming that the NFL’s white owners and GMs conspired against Shadeur and his white coach is now doing the same also kind of an ugly, racist vibe? It’s assuming the worst about people based on their race without any evidence to support it. It’s basically like a white person assuming a black guy is a criminal.
Yep, only a matter of time that card is played here. : rolleyes:
let's be careful and not go too deep here so no one gets punished and this thread isn't locked/deleted but I think the R word gets thrown around a lot but I don't think it happens near as often as it's claimed. Someone said earlier that Gab was a coach pick and Sanders was an owner pick and that sort of makes sense but what if they selected Gab thinking he'd be their guy and then Sanders fell to the 5th and they just thought it was good value to take him.
Racism would be the silliest reason imaginable for why Sanders would have fallen. Cam Ward went #1 overall. Slightly less than half the league has white starting QBs in 2025.
Curtis Painter level in that game.
Damn, the kid can’t catch a break.
The only one worse off the top of my head is John Skelton for the Cardinals
He just did!
Good one. Spoken like myself would.
If you don't give them oxygen, then they can't breathe
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it is too soon. And Cleveland is a bad organization. its also possible the problem is with the team.
Apparently you don't watch Raider games. Smart money is to add Shedeur.
He caught a huge break playing with Travis Hunter and benefiting from a hype train unlike any other. Getting drafted was a big break.
You're right.
I wouldn’t recommend it.
What does Hunter's NFL career have to do with any of it?
Why would I watch a raiders game?!?
Reread your post I responded to and get back to me.
Congratulations, you passed the IQ test!!!
Seems a stretch to think the team that traded for and gave Deshaun Watson that atrocity of a contract after chasing Baker out of town is racist against black QBs.
Is it so unlikely for a minority who has multiple personal experiences with racism would apply that to a sports figure who they like?
Um, no. Not IMHO.
Every other team had chances and nobody took him. you’re probably right that his talent and play are 3rd round caliber. But add the baggage and I wanted nothing to do with him. He’d have been far better off if a team like the rams, lions, chargers, Bucs, etc had drafted him but they didn’t want him in the first 143 picks.
Is it reasonable, though, to presume that in a league where the majority of players are black and the #1 overall pick in the draft was a black QB that the only plausible reason why Shadeur fell in the draft is racism?
Just about everything about it was historically bad; QBR, YPA, EPA, YPD, and completion percentage. I don't think anyone expected him to light the world up, and I don't think anyone's denying the Browns offense is a dumpster fire. It's just there are different levels to bad QB play, and his was about as low as I've seen in years. Zach Wilson at times I guess?
How about John Elway.
Peyton Manning 0 TDs 3 INTs, first game.
Well, there is that thing about attitude and what is perceived between the ears. Not sure the latter is accurate, but he was lost. At the very least he needs a lot of instruction.
I wasn't projecting him to be terrible at QB before this game. I'm still not projecting him to be terrible at QB after this game. So I'll decline to take the bait on you comparing Shedeur Sanders to John Elway, Peyton Manning, and Troy Aikman lol. In fact, I'll give you the respect of acknowledging I know your intention here wasn't to actually compare his skill level to any of those 3 HoF caliber QBs (because that would be asinine). But how about you give me a little bit of that respect back and not throw strawmen at me.
Circumstances have no bearing on level of play?
Again man.... where did I say that? Are you purposefully being obtuse here? I literally clarified it in the snippet you cut from my post. "He played terrible, EVEN INDEPENDENT OF THE TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES". He played bad because of the terrible circumstances. And he also played bad independent of them. The team had him under pressure from the defense constantly. The team did not make him keep running backwards when taking sacks. How is that a difficult concept to grasp for you?
