Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

[gianmarco]

Some HR questions:

Just finished a bit over 5 miles outside.  It's about 26 degrees.  My run was very comfortable, never felt like I was working hard at all and actually felt really good all the way through.  I was quite pleased.   Average 9:28 pace which is my easy run pace.

Looking back, my avg HR was 164 and the last 2 miles were all in the 170's.  It didn't feel like that at all.

This is the first time I'm recording HRs in cold weather.  Is this normal for cold weather?  Is it that elevated from the temps or from lack of fitness?  And why doesn't it feel that bad?  I would say I was at a conversational pace the whole run but I know in the past 170's for me is race effort high.  What gives?

 

[SFBayDuck]

Some HR questions:

Just finished a bit over 5 miles outside.  It's about 26 degrees.  My run was very comfortable, never felt like I was working hard at all and actually felt really good all the way through.  I was quite pleased.   Average 9:28 pace which is my easy run pace.

Looking back, my avg HR was 164 and the last 2 miles were all in the 170's.  It didn't feel like that at all.

This is the first time I'm recording HRs in cold weather.  Is this normal for cold weather?  Is it that elevated from the temps or from lack of fitness?  And why doesn't it feel that bad?  I would say I was at a conversational pace the whole run but I know in the past 170's for me is race effort high.  What gives?

With an HR outlier like this, my first instinct is always "equipment malfunction".  I looked at a few of your runs, and noticed that the HR graph on this run was really jumpy, while on the others I looked at it was relatively smooth.  Makes me think that maybe it just didn't have a great connection or something.  My notebook skills are lacking, so not sure what device you're using or if it's changed in the past couple of weeks.  But I know particularly in the cold and if you aren't sweating (to give that better connection) that these things can be inaccurate.  I used to wet my chest strap in the winter before putting it on, which made a huge difference (especially early in the run).

If not that, then I got nothing for ya, as the cold running thing isn't my area of expertise.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Some HR questions:

Just finished a bit over 5 miles outside.  It's about 26 degrees.  My run was very comfortable, never felt like I was working hard at all and actually felt really good all the way through.  I was quite pleased.   Average 9:28 pace which is my easy run pace.

Looking back, my avg HR was 164 and the last 2 miles were all in the 170's.  It didn't feel like that at all.

This is the first time I'm recording HRs in cold weather.  Is this normal for cold weather?  Is it that elevated from the temps or from lack of fitness?  And why doesn't it feel that bad?  I would say I was at a conversational pace the whole run but I know in the past 170's for me is race effort high.  What gives?

In the cold, my chest HR monitor gets a bad reading if its dry.  So I make sure to wet the sensors before putting it on.  If I don't, typically, the bad reading is early (first 10-15 minutes) until there is some residual sweat happening to make the connections work and to get an accurate HR reading.

Don't know if that helps, but just sharing.

Edit to say that @SFBayDuck beat me to the punch!

 

[Juxtatarot]

Some HR questions:

Just finished a bit over 5 miles outside.  It's about 26 degrees.  My run was very comfortable, never felt like I was working hard at all and actually felt really good all the way through.  I was quite pleased.   Average 9:28 pace which is my easy run pace.

Looking back, my avg HR was 164 and the last 2 miles were all in the 170's.  It didn't feel like that at all.

This is the first time I'm recording HRs in cold weather.  Is this normal for cold weather?  Is it that elevated from the temps or from lack of fitness?  And why doesn't it feel that bad?  I would say I was at a conversational pace the whole run but I know in the past 170's for me is race effort high.  What gives?

I agree with Duck.  Notice that unusual jump at about .4 miles from 148 to 172.  That doesn't make sense.  It also went back up to 170 when you were going downhill shortly after mile 3 while not really speeding up.  See what happens over the next few runs and be willing to mentally discard this run.

Super cold weather can increase your heart rate but assuming you were dressed appropriately, I wouldn't chalk up that much of an increase to that.  (And 26 isn't that cold!!)  

After I've taken time off, I notice my HR to perceived effort ratio is out of wack (runs are easier than the heart rate suggests).  That's one of the reasons I prefer to run by effort, not heart rate. 

 

[MAC_32]

After I've taken time off, I notice my HR to perceived effort ratio is out of wack (runs are easier than the heart rate suggests). 

Don't read anything into any runs until you've logged at least a few consistent weeks again.  You've been basically off for 2 months.  It'll take some time to normalize everything again.

 

[pbm107]

I have noticed that my HRM struggles when I am cold, I saw this in my run this morning and I stopped and cycled power to it.  What is described here matches what I have experienced.

"Temperature seems to be a huge factor, and most systems work better in warmer conditions. If you're a little chilled, your body will restrict superficial blood flow to retain body heat, making it much harder for the optical HRM. In my experience, the issue is mostly around how warm you are when running, rather than at the absolute temperature. I've found that optical heart rate monitors can do better in colder conditions when I'm wrapped up warm and sweating a slightly than they will do in mild conditions where I'm running with the bear arms."

This is one of the reasons I am reluctant to go to a watch with a built in HRM.  With my Scosche HRM I can wear it higher on my arm than a watch, for potentially better blood flow closer to my body and I can reset it (not sure if you can reset the HRM that is integrated within a watch).

 

[Juxtatarot]

(not sure if you can reset the HRM that is integrated within a watch).

I've taken my watch off and ran with it in my hand for a while before putting it back on.  That seems to work.  (However, I wouldn't be nimble or motivated enough to manage that quadruple-gloved on cold days like this morning.)

 

[gianmarco]

  (And 26 isn't that cold!!)  

 

[SFBayDuck]

Super cold weather can increase your heart rate but assuming you were dressed appropriately, I wouldn't chalk up that much of an increase to that.  (And 26 isn't that cold!!)  

 

[MAC_32]

Not every 26 degree day is the same as another.  Some are fine, others are unbearable.  The surface and whatever's falling from the sky or not plays a role, but it all pales in comparison to the wind.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Not every 26 degree day is the same as another.  Some are fine, others are unbearable.  The surface and whatever's falling from the sky or not plays a role, but it all pales in comparison to the wind.

I always get a kick out of @tri-man 47's strategy of having his wife drive him 15 miles upwind and drop him off.

 

[gianmarco]

Not every 26 degree day is the same as another.  Some are fine, others are unbearable.  The surface and whatever's falling from the sky or not plays a role, but it all pales in comparison to the wind.

Yeah, today wasn't actually that bad. A little sun would have been nice, but the wind wasn't awful. Yesterday it was brutal as it was the day before.

Ran with thin thermal pants and shorts over those, a t shirt and a running pull over from last year's race. Beanie, thin neck gaiter, and some gloves and I was pretty comfortable after about half mile. 

First time running with the gaiter and loved it. Got it last week at the a Turkey Trot as swag.

 

[tri-man 47]

But I know particularly in the cold and if you aren't sweating (to give that better connection) that these things can be inaccurate.  I used to wet my chest strap in the winter before putting it on, which made a huge difference (especially early in the run).

I do this regularly ...using the back of my tongue which is more mucus-y ...and never seem to have problems.

 

[Brony]

Was out in 19F this morning.  Juxt is right, if there's not significant wind, 10-20 isn't bad at all. Add hat, gloves and windbreaker - ready to go.  Below 10 does start to require coverage for face and additional layers for hands and junk. 

 

[JShare87]

Was out in 19F this morning.  Juxt is right, if there's not significant wind, 10-20 isn't bad at all. Add hat, gloves and windbreaker - ready to go.  Below 10 does start to require coverage for face and additional layers for hands and junk. 

10-20 isn’t bad? WTF is this?

 

[Juxtatarot]

10-20 isn’t bad? WTF is this?

It’s like when you say 150 suck index isn’t bad.

 

[SFBayDuck]

All y’all are crazy. 

 

[gianmarco]

Please rename to "Complained About The Weather -- Official Thread"

 

[Juxtatarot]

Please rename to "Complained About The Weather -- Official Thread"

As David Byrne would say...

 

[MAC_32]

5 minutes ago I was sitting in my office tinkering with my workout calendar and I had a brief moment of jubilation.  After just 2 lifts based on my output and what my body was telling me I felt I was at least back to 90some % of where I was in October.  I never expected to recover and rebuild through DOMS so quickly.  So I slid all of my goals from here until Christmas up a week.  Then I tried to stand up.  And went back to the sheet and moved everything back to where it was before. #OwOwOwOwOw

 

[Zasada]

Tackled my 2nd 30km-er in two weeks this morning.  Always wanted to try running to work so I gave it a go.  

Had to leave early and it was dark pretty much the whole way.  My headlamp lasted the whole way but I need to get more reflective gear for my peace of mind.  Temps -5C (23F).  Wind was light.  I ran very slow again and it was surprisingly doable.  I'm definitely sore but I don't feel the exhaustion I felt after my HM (at a much faster pace).

Only challenges were a few icy sidewalks and some long waits at busy intersections (rush hour).

Less than two months until Houston.  It's going to be work to keep the mileage high but I'll try to tackle one week at a time.  Last week was my second-highest weekly distance ever (83.4km) and November was/is my highest monthly distance total ever (239.4km).  Elevation is really lacking (which makes me very sad) but I'll try to crush some mountains again this weekend.  Love me my mountains.

 

[gruecd]

Was out in 19F this morning.  Juxt is right, if there's not significant wind, 10-20 isn't bad at all. Add hat, gloves and windbreaker - ready to go.  

Agreed 100%.  Actually supposed to be pretty nice later this afternoon when I head out.  Temp 32° with SE winds 4-6mph.

 

[gruecd]

We interrupt the weather complaints to bring you an actual question about fantasy football....

I play in an old-school TD only league with extra points for longer TDs and also double points for "out-of-position" TDs (i.e., rushing TDs by QBs, receiving TDs by RBs, etc.).

Do I play Brees tonight at Dallas or Cam against Tampa Bay?  Brees has been on fire lately with 15 TD passes in his last 4 games.  But the Cowboys' pass rush is solid, and you've gotta think they give Zeke 25 carries and try to slow down the game.  They've only allowed 8 passing TDs in their last 5 games.  Cam has a gravy matchup against the Bucs, and he's obviously the better bet for a rushing TD, but it's soooooo hard to not play Brees the way he's been playing lately.  Thoughts?

 

[Zasada]

We interrupt the weather complaints to bring you an actual question about fantasy football....

I play in an old-school TD only league with extra points for longer TDs and also double points for "out-of-position" TDs (i.e., rushing TDs by QBs, receiving TDs by RBs, etc.).

Do I play Brees tonight at Dallas or Cam against Tampa Bay?  Brees has been on fire lately with 15 TD passes in his last 4 games.  But the Cowboys' pass rush is solid, and you've gotta think they give Zeke 25 carries and try to slow down the game.  They've only allowed 8 passing TDs in their last 5 games.  Cam has a gravy matchup against the Bucs, and he's obviously the better bet for a rushing TD, but it's soooooo hard to not play Brees the way he's been playing lately.  Thoughts?

Never bench your studs.  Play Brees.

 

[gianmarco]

Never bench your studs.  Play Brees.

Problem is Cam is a stud too.

Tonight feels like a trap game to me.

Go with Cam.

 

[BassNBrew]

Dodds says Cam.  I say Brees.  

By the way, Brees has 3 rushing TDs this year.

Cam has a bum shoulder so you're not likely as Brees to get the long TD bonus.

 

[MAC_32]

Tonight feels like a trap game to me.

I'm not touching this question with a 10' pole, but I'm curious where you're coming from here - unlike other Thursday games they had a full week to prep for this one, only one team has held them under 30 since week 3, and 6-5 Dallas will get their attention whereas 3-5 Dallas might not have, and Payton is 4-1 against Garrett.

My biggest concern about this game for the Saints is they get too far ahead again.  They have the best run d in the league, so if Zeke struggles early I don't trust Dallas to be able to keep up.  

 

[gianmarco]

I'm not touching this question with a 10' pole, but I'm curious where you're coming from here - unlike other Thursday games they had a full week to prep for this one, only one team has held them under 30 since week 3, and 6-5 Dallas will get their attention whereas 3-5 Dallas might not have, and Payton is 4-1 against Garrett.

My biggest concern about this game for the Saints is they get too far ahead again.  They have the best run d in the league, so if Zeke struggles early I don't trust Dallas to be able to keep up.  

Nothing concrete.  As a Saints fan, I get these feelings about the team and this is one of those weeks.  Everything is pointing to them steamrolling Dallas.  I think it's going to be a relatively close game for some reason and I'm seeing a 24-21 finish with a late score (FG?) to win it. 

 

[bushdocda]

5 minutes ago I was sitting in my office tinkering with my workout calendar and I had a brief moment of jubilation.  After just 2 lifts based on my output and what my body was telling me I felt I was at least back to 90some % of where I was in October.  I never expected to recover and rebuild through DOMS so quickly.  So I slid all of my goals from here until Christmas up a week.  Then I tried to stand up.  And went back to the sheet and moved everything back to where it was before. #OwOwOwOwOw

Same here staring at a calendar and some race options. Pencilling some stuff in for 2019. Not as sore you describe but wouldn’t mind some dry needle electrocution if I had 3 wishes.  

I have come off my post marathon high and a spring marathon goal and now think more diverse race distances and training will have me better for the next go at 26.2 next fall.  

Just clipped 1400 miles for the year so 1500 is in my sights. 

 

[gruecd]

Went Brees....

 

[Ocram]

Went Brees....

Smart. Cam wears fruity fruit pants after the games.

 

[gianmarco]

 

[Osaurus]

@gianmarco   You gonna start doing steeplechase on that cul de sac?

 

[MAC_32]

Nothing concrete.  As a Saints fan, I get these feelings about the team and this is one of those weeks.  Everything is pointing to them steamrolling Dallas.  I think it's going to be a relatively close game for some reason and I'm seeing a 24-21 finish with a late score (FG?) to win it. 

Hat tip

 

[SFBayDuck]

  Elevation is really lacking (which makes me very sad) but I'll try to crush some mountains again this weekend.  Love me my mountains.

 

[gianmarco]

Get a room, you two.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Get a room, you two.

As long as it's one like this, I'm in.  

 

[gruecd]

Should've listened to @gianmarco....and my original gut instinct.  

 

[gruecd]

Listened to the recent URP podcast with Courtney Dauwalter on my run last night.  God she's a badass.  But I already knew that after she ran blind for the last 12 miles of Run Rabbit Run last year.

 

[gianmarco]

Should've listened to @gianmarco....and my original gut instinct.  

When it comes to FF and neurostim runs, I'm your guy 

 

[-OZ-]

Registered for my second and third races of 2019.

The local tri club does a 35.1 mile challenge combining the local half marathon 6 days before a duathlon. I'm in. 

April 7 HM

April 13 duathlon

May 26 HIM

 

[MAC_32]

Registered for my second and third races of 2019.

The local tri club does a 35.1 mile challenge combining the local half marathon 6 days before a duathlon. I'm in. 

April 7 HM

April 13 duathlon

May 26 HIM

Cheers to you and anyone else that's mentally already there.  The only thing I have is a 6 person relay and that's more of a social thing than anything.

 

[jb1020]

Still bagging the race tomorrow.  I feel like a ##### for it, but it seems like a bad idea.  Leg feels 10 times better today than it did last weekend.  I feel like I can actually run now without pain.  I'll test it out tomorrow.  75-80 here with severe Thunderstorms in the AM.  I know they'll cancel these things if its too hot, but not sure about severe weather.  

I did get signed up for the MS Blues HM, its Jan 26.  Its the "big race" here in MS.  I've run it a few times.  I have a big Disney vacation next week with the wife and kids.  When its over I'll have 6 weeks to prepare for it.  Unless anyone has any better advice I'm just going to pick back up at the 6 week mark of the 12 week Higdon plan I was on.  I'll scale back the speed work, but it wasn't much to begin with anyways.   

Hopefully instead of ending the year on a high note I can start 2019 on a high note.   

I'm also amazed that gains from running didn't translate into gain from riding the bike.  After getting back on after 2 months off it was a struggle.  

 

[gianmarco]

Hey gents,

Your little baby is getting all growns up. 

First of all, I picked up these leggings from Amazon and they came in yesterday.  Tried them on and I've got to say they were pretty stinking awesome.  So, I decided to get out and try them out.

--Ran yesterday in the late afternoon.  It was dark by the end of the run

--Ran with a headlamp

--Ran using my wife's tracer360 that I picked up for her.  I will say it felt very comforting and safe running with it

--Ran using the tights in the cold.

I'm running in the dark, running in the cold, and even running in the rain. 

Oh, and I tried out the Saucony Kinvara 9's yesterday for the first time yesterday ( @bushdocda).  They are even better than the 8's.  Wow, love this shoe. 

Anyway, completely pain free at this point and feeling like fitness is coming back.  While I won't be hitting any PRs, I will at least try to race with some effort next week in the 15K if all goes well. 

 

[SFBayDuck]

Listened to the recent URP podcast with Courtney Dauwalter on my run last night.  God she's a badass.  But I already knew that after she ran blind for the last 12 miles of Run Rabbit Run last year.

Yeah she is.  

Candace Burt (the RD for Tahoe 200, Bigfoot 200, Moab 240, and a pretty bad ### runner herself) launched a new podcast recently, and her first guest was Courtney.  Haven't listened to it yet, but will probably do so today.  And if you haven't listened to her on Joe Rogan, definitely download that one.

 

[-OZ-]

Cheers to you and anyone else that's mentally already there.  The only thing I have is a 6 person relay and that's more of a social thing than anything.

Social is good.

I'm kinda amped up for tri/duathlon season. The running races don't have the same appeal right now. But the hm will make for good training. Maybe I'll bike to the starting line.

 

[MAC_32]

Hey gents,

Your little baby is getting all growns up. 

First of all, I picked up these leggings from Amazon and they came in yesterday.  Tried them on and I've got to say they were pretty stinking awesome.  So, I decided to get out and try them out.

--Ran yesterday in the late afternoon.  It was dark by the end of the run

--Ran with a headlamp

--Ran using my wife's tracer360 that I picked up for her.  I will say it felt very comforting and safe running with it

--Ran using the tights in the cold.

I'm running in the dark, running in the cold, and even running in the rain. 

Oh, and I tried out the Saucony Kinvara 9's yesterday for the first time yesterday ( @bushdocda).  They are even better than the 8's.  Wow, love this shoe. 

Anyway, completely pain free at this point and feeling like fitness is coming back.  While I won't be hitting any PRs, I will at least try to race with some effort next week in the 15K if all goes well. 

The 10K'ers reading this post

 

[gianmarco]

Just read a comment on someone's Strava feed that I follow (the guy that I considered getting some coaching from).  I've posted on here a couple times about him and he's a really talented runner too.  He just ran a 72 minute HM recently.

Anyway, he's part of a running club as well and has lots of people that follow him as well as people that he coaches.  Recently, I think he's been hurt or struggling or what not so has dialed back some of his runs.  This morning, he ran 7 miles at "only" a 7:41 pace and titled his run "Disguising myself as a hobby jogger!:  Doing my best to stay positive. Foot and legs had issues."

Well, someone who follows him didn't care for what he wrote and just left this lengthy comment.  I can certainly understand where he's coming from even though I wouldn't ever personally take any offense from it.  Either way, thought it might be worth sharing here:

I’ve only been running for about 2.5 years. The things I see you and others do on here are phenomenal. And inspiring. And they make me want to try my best. But when you equate your 7 mile, 7:41/mile effort to a “hobby jogger” it’s insulting. It sucks that you’re hurt. We’ve all been there. And we all know you run faster than this. I just got a PR of 7:29/mile, and was proud of myself until I read your post. I give my all 4-5 times a week, and run at a pace that’s faster than a lot of people my age. I don’t do it to prepare for races...I do it because 50 pounds ago, I decided to start caring for myself, and turn my life around. And until I read this post, I was proud to actually think of myself as a fellow runner. 7:41/mile is not a jogging pace. And you saying 7:41 is a jogging pace is a slap in the face to all those who never will accomplish going that fast. But, maybe that’s how people who go as fast as you see people like me. A non-runner. A “hobby jogger”. You just need to realize that because of your status in this community, that you are a role model. And as such, the words you use can really affect others. Or maybe it just affected me. Today was a hard day for me. I didn’t want to run, but did anyway. Had some pain myself. And going into my last mile, I was averaging a 9:15 mile. The last half mile, I gave everything I had, and salvaged a 5th mile that was about your pace for today. I was so proud that I made the overall pace like 8:52. On a day when I had a lot of issues going on. Just seeing someone I admire in this sport equate that final push to nothing more than jogging tempered the small accomplishment that I had made.

 

[Brony]

Hey gents,

Anyway, completely pain free at this point and feeling like fitness is coming back.  While I won't be hitting any PRs, I will at least try to race with some effort next week in the 15K if all goes well. 

Great to hear!!! It's really tough to be sidelined once the running bug has hit you.   

 

[Juxtatarot]

Just read a comment on someone's Strava feed that I follow (the guy that I considered getting some coaching from).  I've posted on here a couple times about him and he's a really talented runner too.  He just ran a 72 minute HM recently.

Anyway, he's part of a running club as well and has lots of people that follow him as well as people that he coaches.  Recently, I think he's been hurt or struggling or what not so has dialed back some of his runs.  This morning, he ran 7 miles at "only" a 7:41 pace and titled his run "Disguising myself as a hobby jogger!:  Doing my best to stay positive. Foot and legs had issues."

Well, someone who follows him didn't care for what he wrote and just left this lengthy comment.  I can certainly understand where he's coming from even though I wouldn't ever personally take any offense from it.  Either way, thought it might be worth sharing here:

I’ve only been running for about 2.5 years. The things I see you and others do on here are phenomenal. And inspiring. And they make me want to try my best. But when you equate your 7 mile, 7:41/mile effort to a “hobby jogger” it’s insulting. It sucks that you’re hurt. We’ve all been there. And we all know you run faster than this. I just got a PR of 7:29/mile, and was proud of myself until I read your post. I give my all 4-5 times a week, and run at a pace that’s faster than a lot of people my age. I don’t do it to prepare for races...I do it because 50 pounds ago, I decided to start caring for myself, and turn my life around. And until I read this post, I was proud to actually think of myself as a fellow runner. 7:41/mile is not a jogging pace. And you saying 7:41 is a jogging pace is a slap in the face to all those who never will accomplish going that fast. But, maybe that’s how people who go as fast as you see people like me. A non-runner. A “hobby jogger”. You just need to realize that because of your status in this community, that you are a role model. And as such, the words you use can really affect others. Or maybe it just affected me. Today was a hard day for me. I didn’t want to run, but did anyway. Had some pain myself. And going into my last mile, I was averaging a 9:15 mile. The last half mile, I gave everything I had, and salvaged a 5th mile that was about your pace for today. I was so proud that I made the overall pace like 8:52. On a day when I had a lot of issues going on. Just seeing someone I admire in this sport equate that final push to nothing more than jogging tempered the small accomplishment that I had made.

The coach certainly shouldn't have written that particularly considering how he wants to make money coaching.

That said, the response is completely inappropriate.  Comments like that should be made privately.